We've literally seen the DS5 with the dev kit and there's no screen. Just a plain touchpad.
With the rumored specs being out there has there been any speculation of price range for the consoles?
This was before RDNA i believe. So GCN. I also really doubt there was devkits that early & talking about it at E3 time seems like just wanting attention.
I must have missed that - care to elaborate?We've had more than one dev saying specs have been known for a while.
Once again, I am having trouble comprehending the quote of a quote chain. WHo is a dev and who is saying things about their relative power?
Matt Booty - Head of Xbox Game Studios?
wait... Duke never said anything about a trusted source giving him the pastebin. Where's the post?When tomwarren said "MS wants to surprise Sony".
And a "trusted source" from DukeBlueBall sent him a pastebin with the reported target specs.
Pre-launch relative comparisons are by and large done on paper-specs alone, and that's never been subject to devkit availability. Though IME people don't 'leak' relative comparisons anyhow, that's usually done after the fact by whoever 'posts' the leaks (ie. not the source of information). I mean even this gen, it was DF (and others) analysis of complete dev-doc dumps that did all the comparing leading up to launch, not the devs ;)It would make sense then if any information regarding their relative power in regards to one another, should be looked at with a questioning eye.
I would be careful about comparing peak numbers for PC drives that are actually in the 100s of MB/s in more realistic workloads, to spec 'leaks' that haven't been given any context as of yet. While we don't know for sure, if these are numbers system guarantees developers (which would be a number much more relevant than peak bandwidth to know for a dev) the real-world speed comparisons could look very different.SSD: The WindowsCentral article repeats the same SSD speeds of the original Lockhart and Anaconda leak, which is hugely disappointing to me.
Once again, I am having trouble comprehending the quote of a quote chain. WHo is a dev and who is saying things about their relative power?
yea, if we are talking about comparing the specs with the assumptions we have, then only counting the likely cases, at worst the PS5 is 3.2Ghz CPU and 10.2TF GPU, both of those are withing margin of 10~15% difference.
Once again, I am having trouble comprehending the quote of a quote chain. WHo is a dev and who is saying things about their relative power?
When tomwarren said "MS wants to surprise Sony".
And a "trusted source" from DukeBlueBall sent him a pastebin with the reported target specs.
wait... Duke never said anything about a trusted source giving him the pastebin. Where's the post?
I was passed this a while back from a trusted source. The info didn't match up with what I had at that time so I didn't post it.
One is an aim of intent from MS, so basically has nothing to do with what is actually true re performance.
Note tom warren also recently quoted Benji Sales saying PS5 is 13TF. Which is ~8% faster than 12TF, which is about the edge that most trusted sources state the PS5 has over Scarlett.
The pastern is nonsense, and Duke never said it was a trusted source.
We learned that Scarlett is 12TF. Nothing more, and certainly nothing suggesting PS5 is suddenly 2TF the inferior of Scarlett when every credible source to this point suggests that the PS5 has a slight edge.
There are a lot of narratives being pushed in this thread that are nonsense and presented as being factual when they are anything but.
Jokes, how do they work?
You people gotta learn to chill a bit when reading through this thread. Might end up poppin' an aneurysm or something.
Tom Warren quoted Benji saying something around E3. Tom made no comment as to whether that was an accurate comment or not..
yep. Era's insiders won't tell us any more. Because they are Era readers, they don't want to get banned or mess the forum up.By all the insider info from here, it's clearly show they don't want to confirm anything regarding ps5 tf. Pressing them for More doesn't work as well. It seem all don't want to caught up in misinformation or out dated info
MS is reacting realtime on changes within Sony or is aware what is happening at Sony. I would have expected Sony to have the upperhand considering the big succes with PS4.
- Old PS5 > 8TF
- Old X > 10TF
New PS5> 10.7+ TF
New X > 12+ TF
Cant deny MS is making sure there is a gap no matter how small.
to provide context when people were mentioning 12-13TF?
It may imply it is true, but it doesn't mean it for certain. And as this is a speculation thread, and we have had more concrete 'confirmation' from Tom on Anaconda, I just think it'd be worth holding off on considering it a confirmation until it comes from him directly
Hey Klee, one thing is for sure, I for one appreciate that your posts have been the most informative we have ever had in these threads and I still look forward to hearing from you whenever I check the thread every now and then.
So for any passive/aggressive post that you may come accross here you can rest assured there will be people like me eager to know what you have to share.
Thanks to all the insiders that are willing to share information with us, no matter if they are called Kleegamefan, Tom Warren, Matt, Brad Sams or Klobrille or whatever. One thing I have to say. If it wasn't for them we would still be discussing about consoles that wouldn't meet 8Tflops, wouldn't have SSDs and would not have Raytracing.
Nevertheless, my take on Lockhart is that Microsoft wanted to ditch it but something made them change their oppinion. Perhaps we will find out in the not so distant future.
Matt also mentioned that Scarlett being 12Tflops changed nothing concerning the power differences between the two consoles.
Not saying it is true. I just find it interesting that people jump on the leak that scarlett is 12TF as meaning PS5 must be less. Even though we have literally nothing outside of one pastebin to suggest so, and all other rumours suggest that PS5 has an edge.
Like I said it's interesting the narratives people like to push.
We learned that Scarlett is 12T but nothing new regarding the relative power of Scarlett and PS5.
Close ;)
PS5 at 13TF means Sony would have to go HAM, like 56CUs @ 1.8GHz HAM.
What is funny is we know that Scarlett is 12T for months but hardly any one took that old leak seriously .
Tom just made some people open there eyes that some of that is possible.
IMO team "realistic" (aka debbie downers) have held this thread back since the beginning.
Everything that has turned out to be true had discussion shut down because it was "impossible".
If anaconda being 12tf is true and matt saying the difference is 15% is true.
Facts.IMO team "realistic" (aka debbie downers) have held this thread back since the beginning.
Everything that has turned out to be true had discussion shut down because it was "impossible".
If anaconda being 12tf is true and matt saying the difference is 15% is true.
It can mean 2 things
For PS5 specs
It's either
10.2tf
Or
13.8tf
13.8tf would need a 56cu (60total) @ 1926mhz or 52cu (56total) @2074mhz
I don't know why Sony would go for a spec this powerful, it's just not necessary and would be very very expensive.
He didn't say the difference is 15% so the rest of your post is conjecture based off misquoting someone.
Holy crap if true.
Ps5 must be gigantic, hot as hell or both.
Wonder why Ms decided to go all out announing 12tflops if Sony was rumored to aim higher than that