There was a lot of rumors and talk about the PS5 devkit being nearly 13TF just ahead of E3.
Which would be bananas. It's weird to think that current gaming laptops with this power are about $4000 here in Australia.
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Which would be bananas. It's weird to think that current gaming laptops with this power are about $4000 here in Australia.
navi or gcn ?There was a lot of rumors and talk about the PS5 devkit being nearly 13TF just ahead of E3.
Everything goes so amazing for next gen. I just hope Lockheart won't held back next gen games..
I would prefer 10tf 16Gb + some ram for os no lockhart existence scenario than 12tf 16gb whole ram with lockhart exist
There was a lot of rumors and talk about the PS5 devkit being nearly 13TF just ahead of E3.
If this is true and Scarlett is 12TF then the difference is minimal and its all back to first party games, exclusives and service.
from two days ago.
Interestingly ram matches Anaconda's configuration.
Kleegamefan does this look legit?
Interestingly ram matches Anaconda's configuration.
Kleegamefan does this look legit?
"DS5 has an LCD screen" some pastebins aren't even trying lol.
Jokes, how do they work?
You people gotta learn to chill a bit when reading through this thread. Might end up poppin' an aneurysm or something.
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Lockhart makes sense because MS are supporting PCs.
All of their games have to be scalable anyway to run on lower spec PCs so the existence of Lockhart doesn't really change all that much in regards to their game design process.
All MS studio games will have to run on below average PC set ups - which will likely be something like Lockhart.
MS need to support PCs with lower TF GPUs and less RAM. Lockhart allows them to capitalise on work they're already doing to get a box under people's TVs and undercut Sony for "next gen".
Personally I think it's smart. They were already hobbled by having to support PCs with much lower specs than Scarlett.
I mean almost every RAM permutation has been suggested by various people at this point. A broken clock is right twice a day. People need to pay attention to reputable leaks, not pastebin nonsense.
Reputable leaks are:
Gonzalo/Oberon/Flute/Prospero etc
Patents (inc PS5 dev kit - with pics)
Reiner
Moriarty
Klee
Warren
Matt
This windowscentral leak
These are what we should be basing our speculation on.
Me neither, but it makes the most business sense. They get to capitalise on work they're already doing, undercut the competition for "next gen games" and it actually won't make any difference to their game design process since their next gen games already were hobbled by PCs which will have lower spec than Scarlett.
MS's "baseline" will be the lowest spec PC and console they choose to support for their exclusives. It actually doesn't make sense NOT to have a Lockhart like machine when their games already have to be scalable down.
XBO 30FPS/1080P ($200)
Lockhart 60FPS/1400p ($400)
Scarlett 60FPS/4K ($500)
And scalable games that can go between all three and therefore run on most PCs.
Agreed. I hope they will remove Lockheart from existence but i doubt that. Would be better to hava just Anaconda and then 3 year down the road release Pro/X upgraded model
Hmm lookw like it falls a bit short. Could we be talking about a possible bottleneck?
That would be assuming PS5 is 10TF. The main suggestion up to this point has been >10tf for both.
Which we have no reason to. Where did this all come from?
Things we know from reputable sources:
Both PS5 and Scarlett are very strong, have double digit TF performance and beat Stadia in raw TF
PS5 has a slight edge ~10%
Scarlett has 12TF GPU
Those are what we have heard from journalists etc
When did we hear that suddenly Xbox outperforms PS5? Or that PS5 was 10TF?
I suppose the information just getting folk going. :P
It is kinda like how some already have Sony with a much better SSD. I think Sony is more likely to have a noticeably better SSD, but I would avoid using that to confirm any running theories I have based on that assumption.
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Perhaps it's a controlled leak? Just a speculation. I mean, all sites (and Windows Games Central especially) seem to be claiming these specs as official. I know they are not confirmed or anything though
Either a controlled leak or what I believe an organic flow of information due to more people beeing briefed on the devkit now.
Yeah but we got the exact same speccs almost a year ago.
For those that just got into the thread: MS apparently has had a round of meetings where they informed a new batch of developers the target specs for their console(s). That's what is being reported on. Whether these specs changed or not, and their relation to PS5 specs is purely speculation at this point.
As someone who mostly lurks in the next-gen threads since before the PS3: I was always on team 10-12 Tflops...but back when we were talking about older GCN ones. Just for marketing dick waving I was sure they'd aim for double digits. 10 to 12 (or even thirteen :D) Tflops Navi with SSDs and fast CPUs would be shockingly amazing for either console. Like a dream over the more modest current gen jump that already produces STUNNING games. Overall it's not important for me who's the strongest, just that both are huuuge jumps over Xbone and PS4. From the sound of it we will get two absolute monsters, more akin to the PS360 gen and jumps like KZ to KZ2 or even bigger thanks to the CPUs and SSDs.
This brings me to Lockhart, which I was and still am against/sceptical about . K, 1080p to the Anaconda's 4k...but what about those devs that wanted to go with variable resolution or checkerboarding or "4k 30 fps/1080p 60 fps performance mode" on the monster consoles for all out graphics and effects instead of using all that power for native 4k? Will Lockhart drop resolution to 720p or sub-HD during hectic scenes with explosions, will it run games at 960pCB or what?
So, back to lurking, I have no wish to get into arguments over which insider to trust and who to denounce or who'll have the bigger stick.
This brings me to Lockhart, which I was and still am against/sceptical about . K, 1080p to the Anaconda's 4k...but what about those devs that wanted to go with variable resolution or checkerboarding or "4k 30 fps/1080p 60 fps performance mode" on the monster consoles for all out graphics and effects instead of using all that power for native 4k? Will Lockhart drop resolution to 720p or sub-HD during hectic scenes with explosions, will it run games at 960pCB or what?
So, back to lurking, I have no wish to get into arguments over which insider to trust and who to denounce or who'll have the bigger stick.
True. It rather shows how accurate the first sources have been if true. I prefer that rumors stick to a certain tolerance than alternating heavily.
Thank you for your post.
I share your skepticism about Lockhart -- What happens when devs make games (or want to make games) with the sort of targets that you mentioned, on the PS5 and Anaconda?
MS hasn't announced anything... I don't buy the 'controlled leak' narrative and implications re. 'confidence' about specs either. Once the info is out it'll leak, partially or otherwise, irrespective of the wishes or 'confidence' of the platform holders.
I also highly doubt that 13Tflop rumour, or certainly would take it with a huge grain of salt.
It was a joke, but yeah at least 5GB/s? Also good luck with that lmao
Just to say something I think makes sense. Most developers have reportedly not even had Scarlett dev kits, while some have gotten PS5 kits.
It would make sense then if any information regarding their relative power in regards to one another, should be looked at with a questioning eye.
It would make sense then if any information regarding their relative power in regards to one another, should be looked at with a questioning eye.
This was before RDNA i believe. So GCN. I also really doubt there was devkits that early & talking about it at E3 time seems like just wanting attention.
Damn, 32 deltabytes of RAM, you can keep an entire dynamic universe with quadriplexed virtual 3D textures in that.
Well our main "insider" in here says his source has access to both and apparently has for a while.
PS5 devkits were already spread to many developers in april. It was reported in the wired article
I mean, yeah. The unknown thing right now is whether devkit specs relate to what will be in the retail box, as devkits usually are higher spec than retail.There was a lot of rumors and talk about the PS5 devkit being nearly 13TF just ahead of E3.
And how old is that tweet?
Even still, it's always a bit odd leaks seem to come around E3 time, even though Sony were not at E3.
When tomwarren said "MS wants to surprise Sony".
And a "trusted source" from DukeBlueBall sent him a pastebin with the reported target specs.
We've had more than one dev saying specs have been known for a while.
We'll see in the next couple of months.
the leaks during E3 came from developers with the kits most likely, or at least a spec sheet.
This would also make sense considering Matt's ~15% diff.
Not to mention ray tracing which both seems to talk about as a defining trait of next gen. Nvidia 2060 struggles at doing 1080p with ray tracing and that card is 6(Nvidia)TF so probably more than 50% stronger than the Lockhart.
Will they seriously run games sub 1080p on a 2020 console or will they turn of RT on those games?
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