When I say kids I mean people who are not old enough to be working and buying their own $500 consoles. Plenty of high school aged kids will want next gen consoles.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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When I say kids I mean people who are not old enough to be working and buying their own $500 consoles. Plenty of high school aged kids will want next gen consoles.
I think that would work best with next gen only content. It will probably take 3rd party about a year or so to go next gen only.
Even the mass consumer can be broken down into categories. Those that want the cheapest thing period. Those that will only move when fifa moves. Those that want better performance and new features but don't want to spend 500 bucks, etc.
There will be a part of the consumers that will see the 300 dollar price tag and be interested right away. Then it's up to MS and the devs to entice people over to switch, either through features or significant and visible performance improvements.
Not to mention if Lockhart can do 4k for cross-platform games, then that's still a big selling point even for casual markets.
That's a very good point actually. I didn't think of it.
I think ms is focusing on faster loading and higher franerates for a reason. that will be their marketing pitch but i doubt soccer moms and kids give a shit about loading and franerates. I don't know. I still think they will do well during the holidays but i agree they will struggle to sell a very similar console to those who just bought a slim.
the one downside in my mind is the casual consumer would prefer the BRD when the enthusiast consumer would prefer to not have it. casuals mostly have cheaper internet, enthusiasts probably have fiber and another dedicated BRD player.
perhaps they'll have an alternative physical release solution? like USB sticks? I see that they're now in the $5 range for off-brand 64 GB USB 3.0 sticks which is maybe 2-3x the actual cost of BRD?
considering we can use USB hard drives and with the much improved security, it can't be a bad idea to go back to a cartridge type of install system, especially since USB sticks slaughter optical drives in read speed.
perhaps they'll have an alternative physical release solution? like USB sticks? I see that they're now in the $5 range for off-brand 64 GB USB 3.0 sticks which is maybe 2-3x the actual cost of BRD?
considering we can use USB hard drives and with the much improved security, it can't be a bad idea to go back to a cartridge type of install system, especially since USB sticks slaughter optical drives in read speed.
There are so many assumptions being made here it's almost useless to have these discussions. Price, power, marketing, whether there will be exclusive content (and how much). All of these things will drastically effect the ability of Lockhart to succeed and we don't know any of it.
I'm not bothering until we've got more info.
I'm not bothering until we've got more info.
Where's this 299 figure for Lockhart come from? A superior machine to the 1X yet it'll cost less? How's that work then?
Even MS own marketing could bite them in the ass .
Like you said your brother thought the XBS system was 4k and now have lockhart that going for 1080.
1x is dead 11 months from now, it's that simple, a concole concieved to present xb1 games in 4k has no place in the market when anaconda does that and much more.
But the figure 299 is something picked out of the air. We don't even know if Lockhart will be a thing, if it is a thing whether it will release day and date with Anaconda. Assuming how much it costs is just pointless. Discussing what price would make it worthwhile and where it would fit in is worth the effort though, but too many people are making too many assumptions when we're a long way out with zero hard info.
x1x also run all next-gen games (likely all xbox games are cross-gen games )
The point is: Lockhart is not very far from x1x.
If you can't sell x1x with low price how can you expect to sell lockhart well?
You can' expect lockhart suddenly sold good just by branding it with ""next-gen". Consumers know x1x is not far from lockhart. Even consumers don't know Sony will remind them.
Physically smaller. Lower power needs from improved process and modest clocks on both CPU and GPU allowing for cheaper power delivery and cooling in design. Likely smaller memory bus. No optical drive. MS more willing to take loss on all-digital SKU.
There's a start.
On a technical level, the Lock undoubtedly outdoes X. It just depends on how that will portrayed with marketing and whether it will be perceived properly by the market.
All I know is MS marketing can't be anything less than great for next gen. With all the different boxes, it could potentially turn messy.
All Sony has to basically say is, "Uh, here is the PS5. It is a lot stronger and faster than the system you currently have. After looking at these next gen games, please consider getting one. Thanks."
In multiples europeans countries, Xbox SAD was not sold by many retailers.
Just like the money they're making from the Xbox SAD ($249) which can't play used games or discs so why would retailers sell Lockhart($299) and at the same price as a Xbox One S, people be dreaming.
PS5 is going to cost me a small fortune. New console, new receiver (HDMI 2.1 and 9.2 channels) and TV (HDMI 2.1). $$$
... How many games are likely to support 9 channel? Isn't anything over 7 a little unnecessary?
And PS4 Pro was supposed to be a 4K machine and Xbox One X was supposed to be a TRUE 4K machine.
I think it has a chance elsewhere. MS has to improve regional presence for sure however.
Households without interest or money to upgrade to 4K will have a dilemma. Same with college students and others in spaces where 4k isn't a value yet. Personally I think Lockhart has folks a little shook because it can be disruptive. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony roll out a DualShockhart of their own.
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I'm in the same boat. I will also need a new house to fit everything in 😂
It's that mythical group that are so interested in next gen, but want a gimped version of it they could get right now and at the launch of these consoles with an X or pro with games that will be cross gen for at least a year-two years or forever on an X. They are totally going to come out of the woodworks to get a Lockhart.
IF ms had come out saying their next gen offerings could only be gotten in next gen machines and the one and x and s and sad would just get whatever cross gen games third parties made, then maybe a Lockhart would work because there is a reason to spend that money to get it. If it's weaker and gets cross gen games and price is an issue for people, they can just get an X which will be reduced
As I've suggested earlier
Just because it doesn't have a BRD doesn't mean it's all digital.
We could be seeing a return to solid state media. (USB sticks)
The BRD in Anaconda might not be for games, but only for the media center.
Density:cost for flash media especially when it comes to load speeds is mighty tempting
Tom, you clearly have tangible info on Xbox Scarlett unlike pretty much everything else in this thread, and it also seems you are rather confident/excited in what is going on with their hardware.
X1X does not run next gen games. Xbox One cross gen games are not next gen platform games. The point of Lockhart is that you can not only play Xbox One games, but you'll be able to play all the future games too. An Xbox One platform won't give you that. Why are we trying to equate an Xbox One X with the ability to play next gen games?
If games are supporting Dolby Atmos, then you'll get something like 32 channel support since the audio is all field/object based anyway.
Jim has made it clear in the last year so people should know Sony going all in next gen software .
He wants people to move over fast as possible .
Easy way to do that is , price , value and first party PS5 only games.
"Some third-party games that are cross-gen" means two different versions of the games as separate SKUs?
This is important for me.
I'm a fan of From games, and let me just say that we're going to eat next year with both Elden Ring and Demon Souls (PS5).
Lol yeah I was over exaggerating but it'll be significantly better.
I would swear people in this thread do not pay any attention to product markets beyond gaming.
How many models of iPhone are for sale are different price points? Does anyone think the iPhone XS Max won't keep selling now that these is an iPhone 10 and a 10 Pro?
Does it make sense that devs would not want to develop for the 10 when the 10 Pro exists? Or do you hear devs begging for Apple to drop support for the iPhone 8 because they only want to release on the 10 to take advantage of the extra power?
Do you hear consumers of cell phones asking for Samsung and Apple to block devs from making new games and apps for the models from a couple years ago so everything will take advantage of the latest and greatest CPU and GPU?
Do you really think consumers of game consoles and devs for the games are that much different than consumers and devs on ALL other platforms in existence that play games like phones, tablets, and PCs?
How many models of iPhone are for sale are different price points? Does anyone think the iPhone XS Max won't keep selling now that these is an iPhone 10 and a 10 Pro?
Does it make sense that devs would not want to develop for the 10 when the 10 Pro exists? Or do you hear devs begging for Apple to drop support for the iPhone 8 because they only want to release on the 10 to take advantage of the extra power?
Do you hear consumers of cell phones asking for Samsung and Apple to block devs from making new games and apps for the models from a couple years ago so everything will take advantage of the latest and greatest CPU and GPU?
Do you really think consumers of game consoles and devs for the games are that much different than consumers and devs on ALL other platforms in existence that play games like phones, tablets, and PCs?
What's this about? Colt asking about ps5 has me intrigued.
Yes that's what I want to hear, some peoples here thinks that sony will go with same cross-generation bs strategy as Microsoft, but now, i think it's clear that ps5 will have exclusive launch games which designed from ground up in ps5 and take full advantage of next gen gpu, cpu, ssd.
I've heard about time contraction and dilation, but never eating it.
Must not be very appetising.
And mostly importantly, not be held back by a 4TF value SKU.
A next-gen console with next-gen games. That's all I want. Cross-gen will be a thing for a year or two, fine, but fuck this half-gen nonsense MS is trying to pull.
Probably settling on the amount
Well this isn't about praise, this is just about being realistic.
There is no correlation between Anaconda potentially being marginally slower than PS5 due to PS4 getting lucky with 8GB of RAM. Totally different technologies and totally different circumstances. This was your original assertion, wasn't it?
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I didn't label PS4 going with 8GB a "gamble." That's exactly what the situation dictated by them originally going with 4GB of GDDR5 with DRAM prices dropping enough to allow Sony to use 8GB & Microsoft going with 8GB of conventional DRAM because they weren't certain that 4GB of any type of RAM would be enough.
MSFT marketing is hit or miss IMO. Xbox One X and their Pro controller were marketed very well, but Xbox One was a disaster, Xbox One S was fine I suppsed.. So this is a good point. How do you think they will market this Lockhart then? There has to be a catch or a tagline that lets people know that this is a next gen box meant for 1080p.
IMO, they need to lean on it having Ray Tracing and 8-cores capable of 60fps and an SSD.
I'm confused why there's discussion around this. Some games will be cross gen, some won't. Same as always.
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