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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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Yikes, I would hope no one would be looking for that.
Thanks again for sharing your insight with us, it is genuinely appreciated.
How so if Scarlett games are going to be 4TF games with extra bells and whistles while PS5 exclusives will be 10-11TF games from the ground up.
No worries man, just ignore the trolls :) As we can see plans often change sometimes.
This is all correct in my opinion. Very solid points across the board.
True, you can run Half Life 2 & Doom 3 on PS2, just lower the resolution.
I think they do take lots of points from Insiders here than actual sources them selves.
they will be made for Anaconda and be down scaled resolution to Lockhart, how is this difficult to understand?
Looks like they basically recapped current discussions and Jason's sources lol
That's not how game development works. Witcher 3 & Watch Dogs got big downgrades because they couldn't just lower the resolution from the old PC builds to work on PS4/XO.
Resolution scaling can only take you so far before you have to start making big cuts.
It was deserved he literally question the man's journalistic integrity by saying he works like a pr man.
Honestly you wasting your time. He's being purposely obtuse.
I hope it works out this well. But not everything scales down equally. We'll have to see.
Also, do you mean to say that Anaconda and LH will get two different skus? Or will it be one with two sets of assets?
The systems will be almost identical. The Lockhart is designed to run the game exactly the same, just at a quarter of the resolution (if 4tf for the final Lockhart version). The devs will start with Anaconda, then cut the resolution to 1080p and reduce the texture detail.
Does PS2 use the exact same GPU architecture, CPU, and RAM type as a high-end PC from 2004? Was PS2 specifically designed to run games at a quarter of the resolution of that year 2004 high-end PC?
Watch dogs/assassin creed/ witcher all got downgraded because of the jaguars
The point being made is that not everything scales with resolution and that some things meant for a 10TF console, and only a 10TF console, won't be possible on a 4TF console. I don't know what that might be, but if the reports of devs being unhappy with Lockhart are true, then it seems there's some merit to the idea.
But who knows, maybe they're just pissed to have yet another set of specs to design around :(
Maybe I missed it, is greg Miller out there saying something?
The difference in power between PS2 & Xbox was smaller than Lockhart & Scarlet will be & PS2 simply couldn't run Xbox games like HL2, Doom 3, Conkers etc.
PS3/360 & PS4/XO are pretty close, so i have to go back to Gen 6 to compare, or possibly Switch, which i don't think could run RDR2 or Horizon Zero Dawn, it gets away with a downgraded Witcher 3 just barely.
I don't know, the effects that got stripped away from WD & Witcher 3 were GPU focused effects, you can see the club that Aiden goes into, the shadows & fog were taken away completely. The CPU doesn't seem to be an issue with any of the games you mentioned, since they pulled off huge crowds, especially in Unity.
catching up on the thread, again, and i'm convinced...
its time to separate out the threads. this shit is whack reading constant hyperbole (on both sides), snikering and name calling (on both sides), calling out professionals, and passive aggressive bullshit. if it wasn't for my absolute insatiable thirst for any scrap of next-gen info i'd gladly leave this thread ignored.
mods please?
its time to separate out the threads. this shit is whack reading constant hyperbole (on both sides), snikering and name calling (on both sides), calling out professionals, and passive aggressive bullshit. if it wasn't for my absolute insatiable thirst for any scrap of next-gen info i'd gladly leave this thread ignored.
mods please?
Some things don't scale as easy and that person was not talking about porting games for Ana and lockhart but about games made for PS5 only .
I am not a developer so i don't know any better than i would say most people posting about this. I will say no one knows how anything plays out until launch. it could work one way or be different, maybe MS found a way in the software side for it to work or even hardware side like they did with Backcompat games. All i am saying is we do not know, don't see the point in so much concern over no information.
I agree . Too many one off drive bys while the actual developers chime in but get ignored.
Your comparisons are off because everything is worse in them. Half Life 2 on the PS2 was not possible because everything was a generation behind. PS 4 and Xbox one are known for having an explicitly bad CPU, even for when they were released back then.
Lockhart will be a scaled down version of Scarlett but it's not a generation apart in any case.
I just honestly hope it works out like in the same way Back Compat games did.
Nope unity literally cause ubisoft to reconsider the engine going forward
yes, or just dont post. i wonder how much good discussion is shelved for literally 10-15 pages of bickering?
i'm here to enjoy a hobby!
It very possible to make a game on PS5 or Ana only that won't be able to scale easy to lockhart .
Just made a game 1080P@30fps and full it with RT and GPU compute effects and that would be hard for lockhart to run .
Of course no devs will be making 1080p games on PS5 or Ana lol.
But the comparisons were still off.
Of course you can construct an argument just for the sake of it to say "this will not scale easily on Lockhart" but how much sense is in that?
Would be great. I want to see everyone compete at an equal level. This is where we'll all win.
I mean this whole debate is about what can scale or not scale and how games going to get effect by it .
You can construct an argument for either side which is what has been happening for the last few pages .
This is hilarious on so many levelsWhen they go 4TF, you go 10TF.
Why do you keep disregarding my point about the similar architectures? You keep going by raw numbers when no other direct console comparison works because of their difference in architectures. The consoles in this generation were the closest architecture wise, but their architectural differences caused one console to have a larger advantage than the raw numbers would suggest.
yeah im gonna have to call bs. 99% of the drivebys have been done by lockhart supporters making passive aggressive comments at people who actually bothered to write more than a couple of sentences. they have zero intention of engaging in a discussion which is why its bizarre to see you complain about discussion being shelved for 15 pages.
you are also guilty of the same hypocrisy. your post is aimed at no one in particular. why not pick a post, quote the person and join the discussion. all you want is a safe space for yourself and your buddies who dont want anyone to talk about lockhart.
i do not understand this mentality. this is a video game forum. ive been coming to these forums for 20 years and have never shied away from a good argument. its why i come here. there are plenty of other avenues where you can just go and be positive, say your peace, and enjoy your hobby. twitch chats, youtube comments, twitter. thats the kind of short form stuff you are probably looking for. Forums have always been about long form discussions. yes, eventually everything turns into bickering, but thats the format. stifling discussion on a video game forum is just poor form. it's like calling on radio talk show covering sports and then bitching about how everyone is complaining about the team not performing well. thats what radio talk shows are about. its their only purpose. same goes for forums. we are meant to discuss stuff.
lastly, this is a thread that goes to shit every two weeks whenever someone brings us back to the 8 tflops cycle. did you really think it would not go to shit when we went all the way down to 4? everyone here knows that 8->10->12->14->8 cycle pic. we are now permanently adding a 4 right there in the middle. this was always going to warrant passionate discussion. sadly, the other side does not seem interested in a debate.
The scaling itself will still work, no matter what Scarlett or PS5 will render, Lockhart would just be lower than that.
But it might be a720p situation again for a 1080p Scarlett games but how likely is that?
haha nah, I have zero inside info on any tech specs for either next gen console.
At some point you can't go lower and will just have to cut the effect .
I mean if you use 4TF of power to do GPU compute and RT that is the whole of lockhart gpu budget .
you admit it goes to shit every two weeks and are calling me out for saying the same? whatever, i said my peace. you aren't drawing me into an argument i want no part of.
Because the architecture being similar only matters to a point, someone like Naughty Dog could design their game exclusively around a ray traced lighting solution (there is an indie horror game on Steam that does this already, it's interesting) which you simply can't turn off because you need those accurate reflections for gameplay reasons & there is no standard deferred rendering lighting to fall back on like Metro & Control have (this saves dev time too if they cut this out) then to save performance, they compromise to a 1440p resolution or some form of reconstruction.
How would you get this game running on Lockhart? Run it at 540p?
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