Tell them it's 10 TF Tom. Tell them.
plsleakspecs :)
On a serious note - I think it's a huge leap of Jason is accurate and says it's a rtx 2080 in terms of perf.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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plsleakspecs :)
On a serious note - I think it's a huge leap of Jason is accurate and says it's a rtx 2080 in terms of perf.
I don't think folks should hope for big pubs to fight against Lockhart anyway. The thing doesn't have a disc drive, so no used or rental games. This is the future they want, lol.
Any game that's old enough that I would expect to see it in "greatest hits", the bargain bin, or heavily discounted on digital sales honestly.
the difference between lockhart and the rest of the nextgen consoles is non existent from an architectural point of view. The cases you mentioned have relatively large architectural differences in respect to the lead platforms of their time and PC
because there will be more stuff going on, characters, advanced physics, better AI, much better IQ obviously, and very quick load times.
like yes you could probably have a 720p version of roughly the same game but it would be so downgraded they feel it's not worth the port effort.
like factually you probably could downport most Xbox one stuff to a 360, but that's just functionally not how this industry works.
like it isn't hard for a dev to say "we could not make this game on last gen hardware."
That's true, it wouldn't be the same game. Could they port a playable version that's structurally pretty much the same game? Yes, but that obviously isn't their priority.
Agreed. We should just stick with PS4/Xbox One till the end of times.
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your continued push is quite depressing. i hope everything is okay. :/
One thing that I think may be relevant here is that many of the younger gamers (my boys included) have grown up in an age when video game graphics were already pretty great compared to when some of us older gamers were first in awe of the early PlayStation or Xbox graphics. They seem to really favor frame rate a lot over pretty graphics, maybe due to games like Minecraft, Fortnite and PvP gaming in general. My boys at least are impressed for a few minutes with graphics and are then complaining about frame rates and such. Even something like a Lockhart with the right CPU, SSD and targeting lesser resolution is going to be very attractive to a large number of gamers that may not be like us who pixel peep on AAA titles and such for whatever silly reason.
Lots will happen before another 6k posts (or at least I hope)
No it hasn't. You will be able to play Halo 3 at 500fps on Lockhart. If that isn't next-gen then i don't know what is
Jason directly said better than rtx 2080, klee also mentioned that in other ways, it will be closer to 12 tf than 10tf
18GB total RAM would likely require a 288 bit memory bus, not 256
12GB total RAM would likely require a 192 or 384 bit memory bus. Since this is a low cost device, then it'd be a 192 bit bus.
If Lockhart is a digital only console (no disk drive) that means games need to be purchased through the Xbox store. No used games, no other storefronts taking their chunk of the cost.
This lines up really well with what tomwarren has been saying as well.
Any chance Lockhart is cloud server side and not consumer APU?
are you kidding me? We are all basing our consideration on the rumors and the kotaku article.
I guess Demons Souls with incredibly realistic and atmospheric graphics alone would be a hit. The underlying game is already addicting and well regarded. Give it a vast visual upgrade, make it feel like you're there... hopefully with 60fps visuals and responsive and it'd be a winner.
Possibly, but a side effect could be that having a cheaper option just fixes the pricing of both models much longer. Traditionally you might see a $100 price drop within 2-3 years. But now, waiting may not really save you much money at all because in MS's mind, if you want to save money, then there's Lockhart, no reason to price drop Scarlett. However the reality is that you don't want the inferior model, you want the higher end model at a cheaper price, which is less likely to happen now.
I hope you like the way 3rd party games look now, because thats as good as they are going to look next gen thanks to lockhart!
Price drops were significantly slower this generation than in the past, not so sure why. Seemed like companies were happier adding more storage than reducing the prices. Perhaps component prices aren't reducing as quickly as they have done in the past?
My petition to cancel Lockhart and Xbox entirely already has a couple dozen signatures, the ball is already rolling and nothing you say will stop it.
If the rumors are true that it's better than rtx 2080 it has to be more cus than a 5700 xt. That's cool.
I guess it's possible they've figured out how to clock 40cus at like 2200mhz with console level tdp and cooling but unlikely. 5700 xt is actually pretty close to a rtx 2080 with an oc.
so even baseline with optimization and such i would actually be pretty happy with 40cus clocked at at least 1800mhz plus additional hardware raytracing.
I guess it's possible they've figured out how to clock 40cus at like 2200mhz with console level tdp and cooling but unlikely. 5700 xt is actually pretty close to a rtx 2080 with an oc.
so even baseline with optimization and such i would actually be pretty happy with 40cus clocked at at least 1800mhz plus additional hardware raytracing.
Imagine that game with combat improvements, expanded inventory, 60FPS gameplay, covenant play, the works.
I know nothing. Based on things Warren and Co are saying about the GPU numbers not being impressive and going of kleea comments that difference is between x1s and x1 - I think it'll be 10.24 VS 10
That article state that the console will have a SSD, but not state that this is the same as Scarlett. The SSD of Lockart can we way slower than the one in others consoles.
"Developers briefed on Lockhart also say it has a faster CPU than any current video game console"
"analogized it to the PlayStation 4 Pro in terms of raw graphical power"
=> doesn't mean anything. If they really searching to decrease the cost, maybe they won't go on Zen 2.
I want this to be the text on the petition.
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Tflops culture (I'm an expert), but CU Counts and GPU Clocks are huge parts of it. It's not like they are Nintendo where you can become successful by launching an underpowered handheld. If you launch an underpowered next gen console, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is a 14 tflops HBM3 infused GPU.
What this means is the tflops community after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase either system, nor will they purchase any of Microsoft's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has alienated an entire next gen speculation thread with this move.
Phil, publicly apologize and cancel Lockhart or you can kiss your business goodbye.
The semiconductor industry has been struggling with the collapse of Moore's Law and the great majority of the focus of the industry aimed at making processers suitable for portable applications. Even Intel have been struggling mightily in this environment to push performance forward. Smaller processes aren't always delivering nothing but benefits, as they used to.
It's hard out there for a chip.
So are you going to tell us that Scarlett is 10 teraflops and PS5 is 10.24 :)?
I wouldn't say fake. Just one without proper discretion and patience. Things are still in flux.
But dude, you said the same thing as kleegamefan in your own article.
thats exactly what kleegamefan said. That both consoles are targetting double digit tflops. i get that you want to take a victory lap but you literally vindicated him on this particular bit in your article.
Schrier in his tweets also said what Klee has been saying about next gen consoles being more powerful than whats currently on the market from AMD. Both you and Jason separately confirmed his info.
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