By that logic both Sony and MS should release 200$ consoles and be done with it. Why bother? Hardcore will buy them anyway despite the price
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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I'm not sure honestly. I just don't see it being at launch since we were told it had been canned.
MS may still have plans for Lock but it probably won't be at launch.
If Lockhart still exists, I would imagine this scenario wouldn't be far from reality.
They'll follow the automotive/cell phone/insert any industry tactic and release the expensive model 1st to get the early adopters for max $$. Then a few weeks later the cheaper part.
Exactly, I find it interesting how Scarlett news is generally met with negativety where it is the opposite for PS5 news.
Yeah.And one more thing i was thinking about: that "super fast custom Sony ssd"...considering possible 2 Next Xbox consoles plus PCs,outside of Sony owned studios 3rd parties are not going to bother much with it except for overall much faster loading,eh?
If the only difference Lockhart and Anaconda is GPU then the games should scale well. Also, the APIs will be the same so the software-side shouldn't be a problem
One big problem of the "what if it's just a weaker GPU so games will just run 1080p" is that just cutting down on the GPU won't save anywhere near as much money as you people seem to think it will. You'd likely would have to cut GPU, RAM and storage, at the very least, to be able to save $100. An I'm not sure a $100 delta between the future-proof and the hobbled SKUs is enough to sell the weaker one.
With each of these cuts, you're adding extra complications to port. And some of the GPU workloads don't scale with resolution, so there would be some further issues there.
Nope, what they said is that they can't be finalized because final devkit isn't out - i.e. games haven't been tested on what will essentially be final hardware, there's no guarantee they'll work as intended on shipping silicon.
With each of these cuts, you're adding extra complications to port. And some of the GPU workloads don't scale with resolution, so there would be some further issues there.
Nope, what they said is that they can't be finalized because final devkit isn't out - i.e. games haven't been tested on what will essentially be final hardware, there's no guarantee they'll work as intended on shipping silicon.
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Same principle as a Switch? It gets like 5-10% AAA games ported ok it and they look and run like crap. And here you are comparing it to a machine that will require that every game should be running on it
Same principle doesn't mean same specs, lmao.
The difference between Switch docked and Switch undocked is the GPU clock speed, for a cheaper Xbox the difference would be a weaker GPU than the 4K machine. The rest of the hardware would still be there, nothing would be holding anything back, the games would just be lower res on the cheaper machine.
I see. Didn't understand you correctly the first time.
But wouldn't slower GPU be a bottleneck for other parts? Don't forget that it needs to be like 100-200$ cheaper. That's why I don't think they can build Lockhart with just worse GPU. Maybe I'm wrong ofc
Yeah agree. Faster the masses move to have access to the better storage and CPUs the better.
You are right but would there be a difference? Serious question. They misspelled scarlet (which is a color) as a name as well if I am not mistaken.
Nobody did. People just trying to create a narrative that everyone hates poor Xbox. You can see that in this thread quite clearly.
Maybe they're referencing the actress, though. Like Project Dylan.
That's correct, that's why the original plan for Lockhart was best value console, with same CPU clocked lower, weaker GPU, less RAM, and same storage. Anaconda was pitched as the perf king.
Everyone is arguing about PS5 vs Xbox and I'm just over here expecting the differences to be so minor that they won't even be worth mentioning.
Depends on how much each machine costs to make. They can cut down on other things like storage size and assuming Scarlett will be sold at a profit they can also take a smaller profit on Lockhart to help bring the price down. If MS really wants to they can even take a small hit on Lockhart if they really want to get it out there to grown their user base.
The idea doesn't really work very well with a lower clocked CPU and less RAM.
So if its not just weaker GPU than it wont just be as easy as just changing resolution. Weaker CPU will already be a bottleneck for better AI, bigger worlds and other stuff
What if they made Lockhart all-digital? Would that allow them to mitigate sacrifices to RAM, CPU etc.? How much cheaper is Xbox One SAD to produce then Xbox One S?
No one here bought that but it is easier to create strawman fallacies when you have nothing else to support your argument.
Edit - Not you but the person who originally said that.
And we've been told that by Matt and Klee several times now.
Not really. Just noticed the 'wrong' spelling being used a few times. I'm not even sure what Lockhart is a reference to anyway. It seems it is just a surname but not a lot else....Anaconda we know is a snake. So random!
So has the original plan changed? cos your post above makes it seem like MS has made some changes to the original plan for Lockhart.
That makes it even funnier that people argue over which will be stronger.
The city of Lockhart, Texas has an elevation of 157m. Perhaps Lockhart is 15.7 TF?
It will save them less than 10$ for the drive? It's not enough + don't forget that retail is still 50-60% of sales. Lots of markets to lose
Well it's not that simple. They ain't gonna loose lots of money on hardware. Official price of current gen consoles are still 300$ for a reason.
Smaller GPU
Less storage at same speed
Same CPU, maybe downclocked a bit
Less RAM at same speed
Cheaper cooling
No disc drive
I think they can easily make $100 in savings and still have a compelling system. Say the specs are something like rumored:
4TF Navi GPU w/ RT hardware
3GHz+ Zen 2 CPU
12 GB GDDR6
512 GB NVMe SSD
Discless
That thing would run circles around an Xbox One X and still check all the next gen boxes for consumers - fast loads, new CPU, ray tracing etc.
I still believe $299 lockhart, $499 Anaconda.
PS4 has a weaker CPU then the OG XBO. did you notice the difference?
Everyone on this forum? Wait, 95% do. It's quite obvious in every Xbox thread .. not sure where you were going with this.. maybe to war with them?
$100 loss on Lockhart, $100 profit on Anaconda. Boom, there's your two SKUs MS. I'll be expecting a check in the mail.
Do you really believe that 300$ Lockhart and 500$ Anaconda will have the same CPU difference as PS4 and XboxOne?
Thanks. I saw his tweet talking about a 14TF devkit. Is that all? Why would that make Lockhart more likely? I thought Microsoft already said there is currently no Lockhart
They made that statement but showed no proof. As far as I know everyone took it as a joke. The majority in this thread believe in < 10% difference.
Where are your numbers of 95% coming from?
Considering that Xbox skews considerably more enthusiast/hardcore than PS, do you really think there's a meaningful market for this console versus one that isn't gimped and costs just $100 more? I, honestly, don't think so.
Maybe this would have some appeal as a second, third console. Dunno.
Right, it is arguing over what will amount to a negligible difference. I guess still being able to say "My console is stronger!" and gloat about being right means a lot to some.
Send me one too because I said so! Gimme gummies that scarlett
Unrelated but since you replied to my post, do you still believe UWP is dead?
Interesting. I guess they want people to use GamePass. But cheaper console for a casual crowd without a disk drive is kinda risky.
As a whole forum, not this thread with about 30 regulars. Constant polls and thread replies, reactionary creations and emotional rants show how much a vast majority feel about the Xbox and any positive news. It's just a fact with historical evidence we are created every day. Not trying to argue but they are just pointing out the obvious as bait.
So, a picture of a devkit that we already saw led to a fallout on era and on twiter?
Just imagine what will happen when you get the ram size xD
Just imagine what will happen when you get the ram size xD
Every thread ... not sure why I have to explain that to you when you've been active in all
The threads more than me. Z ..z z
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