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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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A remake and a sequel, that would be nice.
Especially thinking of the SSD and the streaming possible on the Zeppelin or even a detailed London with 4k textures...
Funny enough I would like them to keep the cinematic feeling and render at less than 4k.
RaD could be partnered with Sony, MS, etc... There are quite a few viable options.
We saw how hard MS went in with 3rd party partnerships at the beginning of the gen. It wouldn't be surprising if it ended up being them.
We saw how hard MS went in with 3rd party partnerships at the beginning of the gen. It wouldn't be surprising if it ended up being them.
By everything fixed I mean nearly 50% of the game altered
I remember a few people comparing The Order 1886 to Uncharted 1
Fluid simulation on gpu ? So you tell me most games on ps4 and xone has fluid simulation on gpu for example in rdr 2 or Assasins Creed Odyssey ? Really doubt it. Do you have some paper of Remedy Control physc ? As for as I know majority games that use Physx sdk compute it on cpu.
The Order 1886 is a mediocre game. I cannot see how it's reviewed unfairly, there is tons of problems with the game. And tbh. I could gloss over the gameplay, but the story ain't great either.
I did not say all game and this is often simplified physics, true physics simulations are too complex. And many games use Havok physics too.
And that Infamous: Second Son would be Sucker Punch's "Uncharted 2" moment. Expectations for every studio were really high at the beginning of the gen.
Every time the game was shown, I remember people asking "when are they going to show the real gameplay?" all the way up until release.
True, I expected even more generation defining SP IPs this gen than the PS360 era....lol. Expectations were altered very quickly
yep, I believe it to be mostly cpu ad well. GPU compute physics for these things was a Havok FX usp, but that pretty much got killed when MS bought Havok. Among many other things.
Physics and AI isn't really a CPU vs. GPU thing, it depends on specific algorithms. For instance, pathfinding was traditionally done on CPUs because the classic algorithms were pretty scalar in nature. That is, until GPGPU became a thing and new algorithms were created to make use of the parallelism. One GPGPU pathfinding algorithm I've seen mentioned a 100x speedup in relation to classic A* implementations, and scales much, much more gracefully when dealing with multiple agents - think of the hordes in Days Gone. So, there's no reason to go back to calculating this stuff on CPUs anymore.
Same thing happens when solving all kinds of physics things.
Same thing happens when solving all kinds of physics things.
Wrong and some studios continues to use Havok physics like Naughty Dog or Guerrilla Games for example.
The technical art of sea of thieves
Often games with Ocean or use fast Fourier transform to simulate waves and add shaders visual effect like Sea of thieves for example ;)
True and with raytracing we will probably see some usage of the acceleration structure for physics too.
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I think we'll still be asking the same thing 6 months from now
We almost surely won't.
It doesn't make sense to have Wired articles through the last stretch of this year just to go silent in the year the console is actually releasing. There will be an event early 2020.
It is a classic
Collision detection on GPU
There's a 6 week window where I expect PS5 to be revealed, from about January 21st to the first week in March.
Most likely though, February, like PS4
Most likely though, February, like PS4
Yup, most definitely. RT Collision Detection is a big one, I've seen a paper on a CD algo for deformable soft bodies that had a pretty massive speedup. Gonna be useful for cloth physics and help mitigate clipping.
And Havok physics can use the GPU too. ;)
EDIT: And you have people using their own GPU accelerated physics like Housemarque with GPU particles-
The last version of Havok FX use the CPU
But for doing the same thing other teams use the GPU. The first AAA of Housemarque probably on a PS5 title will use GPU particles.
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I'd like to see one or both of them being really aggressive and start marketing in January
2nd month in 2020 (also year 2 with the new emperor)
so 2nd Feb which works with I think all combinations of dates (Y/m/D or D/M/Y or M/D/Y - 2/2/2 or 02/02/2020)
Gears 5 switched to havok from PhysX interestingly enough. No idea why though (modern PhysX seems really multithreaded and all that).
Didn't MS acquire Havok? Maybe they wanted to use their own tech
I think most certainly before 2020 GDC. (it starts March 16)
That's not relevant to the duration of the cross-gen period for third parties. And PS3 development was trivial in 2013 when every internal and middleware engine had been architected around the limitations of Cell development, almost every major dev had shipped more than one game on the platform, etc etc.. By then, PS3 dev was as simple as hitting "deploy" in UE3 and then focussing your time on perf optimisation and asset iteration.
The cross gen period will be defined by where 3rd party software sales move to, and if it's anything like this last transition it will be 2:1 on software sales for new-gen consoles in the first year.
That's not correct. Physx was an NVidia exclusive property. So was mostly inaccessible to the majority of console devs.
Most devs used Havok or Bullet Physics, with Bullet being open source.
Miniature Kaiju is right.
This.
Good that you post this video as an example, because the dev that made that particular demo is a very good friend of mine ;) GPU accalerated physics do exist, but R6 Siege is the only case where they tried to push Havok FX. I know, because my friend worked on that. But full GPU accelerated phycics are rare, except for some particle stuff. It hasnt happened on the scale that Cerny talks about in that demonstration. I can ask in what level Havok FX ended up being integrated in Havok Physics if you want.
Studios use some custom physics too to complement Havok or PhysX physics engine
Full GPU accelerated physics is existing for GPU particles or ocean simulation*, cloth simulation can use full GPU acceleration like in the Ubi soft custom implementation or a mix of CPU/GPU. Rigid body physics does not use the GPU at all.
* Full accelerated by GPU in Sea of thieves
EDIT: Dreams use a mix of custom physics with Havok Solver
Yeah I need a sequel the game looks next gen in alot of areas to me.
Xbox scarlett cpu is 1 core 1 thread 20ghz clock confirmed ;p
Just asked, for fun: Havok FX is pretty much dead. PS4 bouncing balls demo was a stand alone demo in the spirit of Havok FX in its early days, not Havok Physics. Later on they discovered some ways to bring things back to CPU in a more optimal & flexible way so Havok FX (as in, GPU physics) didnt got that far; except for R6 Siege. When MS took over they killed a lot of Havok projects.
They probably already had some of those things in the works with DX.
There is this youtuber by the name of colteatwood (don't know how reputable he is ) that showed up on my YouTube feed who claims ps5 devs kits are 20% stronger because they r being compared to Lockhart (he uploaded the video 2 days ago well after we know 2 model doesn't exist). He says MS has kept anaconda secret and will unveil it secretly and that will be miles ahead of ps5 .
Is he reliable person or just tries to creat random info for clicks from certain demographics? And can you surprise unveil a platform ? WHat happens to the games if devs didn't know about it ?
Is he reliable person or just tries to creat random info for clicks from certain demographics? And can you surprise unveil a platform ? WHat happens to the games if devs didn't know about it ?
According to my source, MS (at that moment) wasnt that interested in Havok Physics itself but more in some other things the company was exploring. But I see that Havok Physics last stable release is over a year old so it's still somewhat actively developed I guess.
Lol I swear that's what he says and he has like 40k hits in 2 days so I assumed he is somewhat popular/ knows stuff
Misterxmedia has more followers.
Wut
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The 2018 Microsoft Annual Shareholders Meeting, held on November 28, 2018, featured discussions on Xbox and gaming. Here are some quotes:
The Xbox Adaptive Controller was demonstrated and also an item of the Q&A.
Whether the 2019 meeting will feature anything on Project Scarlett I do not know, but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a mention at least. Xbox and gaming will most likely be featured anyhow.
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