Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm

[Sprat]

I don't know if this conversation has come up yet but I think the PS5 controller will either be a portable or able to connect to any device like the Stadia controller. They have patents on it but of course not all their patents get used, I feel like that would be a great way to expand PSNow's capability.

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I hope not. Sounds too bulky and unwieldy.

It's pushing into the xb1 strategy of making people buy something most won't want.

PSNow can just work on any phone no need to muddy the waters when they could just include a phone clip for the few who would want it.

 

[AegonSnake]

Isnt VFX user that said he whould make a copy of detroit become human in eu4?

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no that was his best friend Iamthiam. they both make an appearance here every now and then to remind us that pc is better.

 

[modiz]

i dont understand VFX Veteran's argument, the game that klee saw running was a 2021 game (knowing game dev cycles, its likely to be delayed too etc.), by then 2080 wont be as high end PC GPU as it is today anymore. its not that confusing.

 

[Deleted member 52190]

no that was his best friend Iamthiam. they both make an appearance here every now and then to remind us that pc is better.

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Ahh, my bad then.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

i dont understand VFX Veteran's argument, the game that klee saw running was a 2021 game (knowing game dev cycles, its likely to be delayed too etc.), by then 2080 wont be as high end PC GPU as it is today anymore. its not that confusing.

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I wouldn't bother, he thinks that if gpu is 90-100% utilize in game that means it's best graphic it can deliver ;d

 

[III-V]

From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5.

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wew lad

 

[El-Pistolero]

Best "looking" is subjective and has nothing to do with the hardware. That's a huge red flag on the logic of fans on these boards.

Take everything into context. If you say that game is gorgeous compared to other games, examine what it is that makes it look superior. It's not the hardware - period, so find out what it is. Presentation? Foliage? Texture work? Animation?

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Ok, please, give us an example of a more impressive game than RDR2 -or Uncharted 4, or HZD-...that came out on PC during the previous generation of consoles...I am genuinely curious.

Also, work on your anger and frustration, brother, your hatred of all things Sony/PS is transparent and quite fascinating (you felt the need to take a shot at a first party game being more impressive when the person had previously mentioned the title they saw was actually multiplatform...If that is not a sign of an obsession spilling over, I don't know what is).

Take a deep breath and relax...

 

[SharpX68K]

Dictator in Washington Post,congrats! :)

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Whoa, congrats on getting that in the Washington Post. It's perfect and anyone should be able to understand, even those who know nothing about graphics tech.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5.

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OK boomer

 

[anexanhume]

Dude that argument card is old and tiring. It happens with every new generation release. From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5. Next year, there will be a LOT of games that will be very popular and they will be multiplats. By default, the PC will look better and play better than the next-gen consoles throughout the entire generation. Only the handful of companies that still develop for Sony only will have to be the basis for (i.e. "this game is the best looking of all games") argument until that eventually goes away..

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Doubt.

 

[III-V]

Dictator in Washington Post,congrats! :)

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Wtg

 

[Red Tapir]

That is exactly what I am asking for.

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I literally put a list of which kind of games are likely candidates in my post...

Putting down a list of specific games is pointless, as my point still stands: there is a good business case to be made for patching PS4 games for PS5.
Patched games would be cheaper and more content-rich, face less competition from big releases and need less dev time (as they could be used as internal benchmarks for new hardware).

If I had to guess a few likely ones:
- W3: eventually as they are busy with CP2077, which leads me to
- CP2077: no way in hell this doesn't get updated
- FO4: rubbish, but must play
- MGSV: little update, though with our luck they'll patch Survive (I think MGSV is their internal benchmark)
- FFXV: sold really well
- DMCV: but it gets more in a Special Edition
- DS3
- Hitman 2: pretty self-explanatory
- MHW: also very obvious

 

[Dimajjio]

I'm kinda hoping Hitman 2 will be part of Hitman 3. Brand new game with the previous two games as DLC as it works now. Or they could be really nice and throw it all in one big package.

 

[Metalane]

I did not think that "next gen games will look better than current gen games pushed to their limit on PC right now" would be such a triggering statement lol.

Can't wait to see all those glorious graphics next year. 😍

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I know, it's absurd! In their defense I have my source to reassure me of the stuff we're getting next-gen. So mayne they just don't know any better.

 

[Pheonix]

Dude that argument card is old and tiring. It happens with every new generation release. From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5. Next year, there will be a LOT of games that will be very popular and they will be multiplats. By default, the PC will look better and play better than the next-gen consoles throughout the entire generation. Only the handful of companies that still develop for Sony only will have to be the basis for (i.e. "this game is the best looking of all games") argument until that eventually goes away..

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oh my....

 

[Deep Friar]

I know, it's absurd! In their defense I have my source to reassure me of the stuff we're getting next-gen. So mayne they just don't know any better.

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No, in their case it's simple stupidity. We have this argument every generation, and they're consistently proven wrong. Even speaking as a PC player, there's plenty of evidence: PC's don't set the baseline for development, consoles do. If people continue to ignore the evidence after years and years, they don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

 

[Rurouni]

That previous page is beyond embarrassing, like fucking wow lol.

 

[Putty]

Dude that argument card is old and tiring. It happens with every new generation release. From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5. Next year, there will be a LOT of games that will be very popular and they will be multiplats. By default, the PC will look better and play better than the next-gen consoles throughout the entire generation. Only the handful of companies that still develop for Sony only will have to be the basis for (i.e. "this game is the best looking of all games") argument until that eventually goes away..

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Astonishing.

 

[VX1]

That previous page is beyond embarrassing, like fucking wow lol.

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Astonishing.

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Yeah,i just tried to ignore previous page...*sigh*

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I did not think that "next gen games will look better than current gen games pushed to their limit on PC right now" would be such a triggering statement lol.

Can't wait to see all those glorious graphics next year. 😍

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Yep thought that would be common sense.
I mean PC will still run it better any way it's just that the baseline has move much higher up than this gen in everything .

 

[Silencerx98]

Whew, boy, things are getting hot in here. That's fine, though, at least that won't be a concern in the PS5 because of its excessive fans

 

[VFX_Veteran]

i dont understand VFX Veteran's argument, the game that klee saw running was a 2021 game (knowing game dev cycles, its likely to be delayed too etc.), by then 2080 wont be as high end PC GPU as it is today anymore. its not that confusing.

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You miss the point. The next-gen hardware is finalized. It's not more powerful than what's out now on the high end PC, therefore it can't do extraoridinary things that a 2080 can't do.

Ok, please, give us an example of a more impressive game than RDR2 -or Uncharted 4, or HZD-...that came out on PC during the previous generation of consoles...I am genuinely curious.

Also, work on your anger and frustration, brother, your hatred of all things Sony/PS is transparent and quite fascinating (you felt the need to take a shot at a first party game being more impressive when the person had previously mentioned the title they saw was actually multiplatform...If that is not a sign of an obsession spilling over, I don't know what is).

Take a deep breath and relax...

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Didn't one of the Mods say that steering the conversation into personal space was a bannable offense? I'm not frustrated or angry. I'm just tired of the same old claims, same old next-gen fans believing what they want to believe and seeing what they only want to see.

If you want to see what I'm tired of wait till the first PS5 demo that gets talked about on these boards. I'm 100% sure I'm going to get the reception we got when we saw the first Uncharted 4 reveal. LOL!

 

[gundamkyoukai]

You miss the point. The next-gen hardware is finalized. It's not more powerful than what's out now on the high end PC, therefore it can't do extraoridinary things that a 2080 can't do.

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You really don't have a point .
The first set of next gen games blew anyway anything that was on PC during the ps3\360 era.
It will be the same next gen and then PC gamers will have them look even better .
It don't matter than 2080ti is out no devs build a game around all the power it has be it for effects , character models , textures etc etc etc .

 

[BlueManifest]

You miss the point. The next-gen hardware is finalized. It's not more powerful than what's out now on the high end PC, therefore it can't do extraoridinary things that a 2080 can't do.

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Extraordinary things? That's what stadia is supposed to be for

 

[Kleegamefan]

LOL. So you saw a game that will be releasing on the PC too but still argue that the PS5's hardware somehow will outshine the 2080? I am confused then. Why would you bring up a game that's going to release on the PC but act like it's superior looking to any current RTX-enabled game? That doesn't paint any picture that the PS5 is more capable than the RTX PC. What is your agenda?

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I literally never, ever said PS5 was more powerful than nVidia 2080 and you know that.

Don't try to bait me.

Your condescending, abrasive style is why people tend not engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

You are obviously intelligent and well experienced and versed in what you do. But what attracts me and others like me to this thread in this forum is it encourages SMART and COURTEOUS discussion of Next-gen videogame hardware. Too much of one and not enough of the other usually results in the circular conversation we are having now. As should be obvious, but I will state it again and extend you the courtesy you don't offer me....

1-Current games running on RTX hardware are just that, current games.

2-Next-gen games (not to be confused with cross-gen games) are different from current generation games and are built to different specifications.

3-The game I saw was not designed to work on current spec hardware like a PS4 for instance.

4-I gave impressions of that Next-gen game running on PS5 which, to my eyes, look superior to current generation games in certain ways, which I have outlined as well as I can on several occasions.

New generation software exceeding previous generation software is definitely a thing and will continue to be a thing. The original reference I made to RTX is I saw Modern Warfare running on RTX and the RT shadow effects in that game looks similar to the PS5 demo I saw, but the PS5 game also had additional effects and scale of effects that seems even better.

I also said that (and this seems to be the crux of the hand-wringing/pearl-clutching) if you didn't know it was running on PS5 hardware, you would guess it was running on a 2080.

That's it.

Anything beyond that is a different discussion for a different person at a different time.

 

[Vimto]

LOL. So you saw a game that will be releasing on the PC too but still argue that the PS5's hardware somehow will outshine the 2080? I am confused then. Why would you bring up a game that's going to release on the PC but act like it's superior looking to any current RTX-enabled game? That doesn't paint any picture that the PS5 is more capable than the RTX PC. What is your agenda?

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Jeeeeesus christ dude

Just look at Dark souls 2 on PC ultra, and then look at Dark souls 3 on consoles, DS3 on consoles destroys DS2 on PC even with ultra settings. Ofcourse DS3 will look better on PC but thats beside the point.

 

[metalslimer]

You miss the point. The next-gen hardware is finalized. It's not more powerful than what's out now on the high end PC, therefore it can't do extraoridinary things that a 2080 can't do.


Didn't one of the Mods say that steering the conversation into personal space was a bannable offense? I'm not frustrated or angry. I'm just tired of the same old claims, same old next-gen fans believing what they want to believe and seeing what they only want to see.

If you want to see what I'm tired of wait till the first PS5 demo that gets talked about on these boards. I'm 100% sure I'm going to get the reception we got when we saw the first Uncharted 4 reveal. LOL!

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Learn how to communicate rationally. You're arguing against ghosts.

 

[SharpX68K]

Jeeeeesus christ dude

Just look at Dark souls 2 on PC ultra, and then look at Dark souls 3 on consoles, DS3 on consoles blows DS2 on PC even with ultra settings. Ofcourse DS3 will look better on PC but thats beside the point.

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Exactly, and the same applies to many other games as well.

 

[Chamon]

LOL. So you saw a game that will be releasing on the PC too but still argue that the PS5's hardware somehow will outshine the 2080? I am confused then. Why would you bring up a game that's going to release on the PC but act like it's superior looking to any current RTX-enabled game? That doesn't paint any picture that the PS5 is more capable than the RTX PC. What is your agenda?

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Are you ok? Lol 😂

 

[KOHIPEET]

Dude that argument card is old and tiring. It happens with every new generation release. From now on, just hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC, because if it does, it will look better and play faster on the PC vs. the PS5. Next year, there will be a LOT of games that will be very popular and they will be multiplats. By default, the PC will look better and play better than the next-gen consoles throughout the entire generation. Only the handful of companies that still develop for Sony only will have to be the basis for (i.e. "this game is the best looking of all games") argument until that eventually goes away..

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just wow

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Exactly, and the same applies to many other games as well.

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Another easy eg is GTAV vs RDR2.
Mind you GTAV even get a extra upgrade to it's port and it still look no where as good a RDR2.

 

[-Le Monde-]

So what kind of improvements are you expecting for unpatched bc games on next gen systems?

With the mid gen refresh, Sony didn't do much, other than boost mode. Which gave us smoother frame rates.

MS on the other hand went a little crazy with it. Providing , faster loading times.
Smoother frame rates, Vsync, and improved textures filtering(AF 16x) for every unpatched game.

I have big expectations for MS. Not even sure what to expect from Sony at this point. That scares me because I didn't get a one until the X. Which means, that I purchased the majority of my multiplatform games on ps4. :0

 

[Kleegamefan]

Well......

If you guys think it's bad now....

What if Google delivers on the promise that they can harness cloud computing in ways no console or even high end PCs can?

What if it's not bullshit they have developed tech that can link and combine the performance of 2,4,6,10 or more Stadia instances.

What happens if the day comes when the PC is no longer the Master Race in term of compute performance?

What would the reaction be?

 

[BlueManifest]

Well......

If you guys think it's bad now....

What if Google delivers on the promise that they can harness cloud computing in ways no console or even high end PC can?

What if it's not bullshit they have developed tech that can link and combine the performance of 2,4,6,10 or more Stadia instances.

What happens if the day comes when the PC is no longer the Master Race in term of compute performance?

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Can't wait, I've had enough of the pc master race gang, plus it will save me money so win win

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Well......

If you guys think it's bad now....

What if Google delivers on the promise that they can harness cloud computing in ways no console or even high end PC can?

What if it's not bullshit they have developed tech that can link and combine the performance of 2,4,6,10 or more Stadia instances.

What happens if the day comes when the PC is no longer the Master Race in term of compute performance?

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I mean that day will come and everything going to be streaming but we IMO a long way off before we see games build game around that sort of stuff .
On the bright side that going happen compare to companies building games around people that have more than one GPU in there PC lol
Unless they find a way for people with more than 1 GPU to take advantage of stuff like that on local hardware .

 

[Metalane]

I literally never, ever said PS5 was more powerful than nVidia 2080 and you know that.

Don't try to bait me.

Your condescending, abrasive style is why people tend not engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

You are obviously intelligent and well experienced and versed in what you do. But what attracts me and others like me to this thread in this forum is it encourages SMART and COURTEOUS discussion of Next-gen videogame hardware. Too much of one and not enough of the other usually results in the circular conversation we are having now. As should be obvious, but I will state it again and extend you the courtesy you don't offer me....

1-Current games running on RTX hardware are just that, current games.

2-Next-gen games (not to be confused with cross-gen games) are different from current generation games and are built to different specifications.

3-The game I saw was not designed to work on current spec hardware like a PS4 for instance.

4-I gave impressions of that Next-gen game running on PS5 which, to my eyes, look superior to current generation games in certain ways, which I have outlined as well as I can on several occasions.

New generation software exceeding previous generation software is definitely a thing and will continue to be a thing. The original reference I made to RTX is I saw Modern Warfare running on RTX and the RT shadow effects in that game looks similar to the PS5 demo I saw, but the PS5 game also had additional effects and scale of effects that seems even better.

I also said that (and this seems to be the crux of the hand-wringing/pearl-clutching) if you didn't know it was running on PS5 hardware, you would guess it was running on a 2080.

That's it.

Anything beyond that is a different discussion for a different person at a different time.

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Thanks again for all the info and insight you've given us! The game you've seen is probably just scratching the surface of hybrid-RT too. Next-gen will allow us to have all different sorts of combinations of techniques! Digital Foundry will have a hell of a time.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Well......

If you guys think it's bad now....

What if Google delivers on the promise that they can harness cloud computing in ways no console or even high end PCs can?

What if it's not bullshit they have developed tech that can link and combine the performance of 2,4,6,10 or more Stadia instances.

What happens if the day comes when the PC is no longer the Master Race in term of compute performance?

What would the reaction be?

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I think the hard part isn't the tech, but the actual game(s). If they don't build their own first party studios I think they'll have trouble funding games that are developed exclusively for 2 or more stadia blades from the get go.

 

[Vitamin_B_Complex]

God, this vfx guy derailed this thread pretty well. It's so obvious that he is a PC masterrace apostle and will not budge on the relationship of consoles and PC. If someone doesn't understand the concept of current gen games on PC being just that and next gen being a completely different beast, what can you do?

There are a dozens of examples where last gen games on ultra look like a joke compared to their current gen sequels even on Xbox 1 (not even S). Yeah, these same games look better on PC but that doesn't mean that next gen games will not look completely different.

 

[OnPorpoise]

Being annoyed by some of the crazy overhyping that goes on is kind of understandable.

Ultimately though, "you better hope whatever you saw doesn't come out on the PC" feels like it draws from the same exact well of stupidity as "secret sauce" and "dual GPU".

 

[Pheonix]

I literally never, ever said PS5 was more powerful than nVidia 2080 and you know that.

Don't try to bait me.

Your condescending, abrasive style is why people tend not engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

You are obviously intelligent and well experienced and versed in what you do. But what attracts me and others like me to this thread in this forum is it encourages SMART and COURTEOUS discussion of Next-gen videogame hardware. Too much of one and not enough of the other usually results in the circular conversation we are having now. As should be obvious, but I will state it again and extend you the courtesy you don't offer me....

1-Current games running on RTX hardware are just that, current games.

2-Next-gen games (not to be confused with cross-gen games) are different from current generation games and are built to different specifications.

3-The game I saw was not designed to work on current spec hardware like a PS4 for instance.

4-I gave impressions of that Next-gen game running on PS5 which, to my eyes, look superior to current generation games in certain ways, which I have outlined as well as I can on several occasions.

New generation software exceeding previous generation software is definitely a thing and will continue to be a thing. The original reference I made to RTX is I saw Modern Warfare running on RTX and the RT shadow effects in that game looks similar to the PS5 demo I saw, but the PS5 game also had additional effects and scale of effects that seems even better.

I also said that (and this seems to be the crux of the hand-wringing/pearl-clutching) if you didn't know it was running on PS5 hardware, you would guess it was running on a 2080.

That's it.

Anything beyond that is a different discussion for a different person at a different time.

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You are too good of a human being.

I think it's obvious he'snot to be reasoned with. Cause if he were looking at the obvious facts of all you have said and anything said to support it, he would have long since realized there is absolutely no reason for him to be making the kinda argument he is.

One will think its common sense, but as they say, common sense isn't common.

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You can take the most powerful hardware in the PC space today, short of SC, everything (feel I need to add "the majority of") running on it is based on games designed for sub 2TF GPUs hardware. That is the floor of the industry as it stands right now.

Come the next-gen consoles, that floor gets drastically raised. At that point everything is based on games that are on 10TF+ machines along with SSDs and great CPUs. That 2080ti rig today that can run console games at 100+fps, will be brought to its knees. And would be lucky if able to run the same console games of 4K,30fps at anything close to 60fps. Until the next iteration of GPUs comes along, and over the years, that performance delta will continue to increase.

This should be common sense.

 

[DukeBlueBall]

It'll be quite interesting to see PC-only people's reaction when the recommended specs for PS5/Scarlett ports become 2080(TI) next generation.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

It'll be quite interesting to see PC-only people's reaction when the recommended specs for PS5/Scarlett ports become 2080(TI) next generation.

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The CPU part going to be more interesting since PC guys have such a huge advantage for so long .

 

[SharpX68K]

Another easy eg is GTAV vs RDR2.
Mind you GTAV even get a extra upgrade to it's port and it still look no where as good a RDR2.

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True.

 

[Dokkaebi G0SU]

I literally never, ever said PS5 was more powerful than nVidia 2080 and you know that.

Don't try to bait me.

Your condescending, abrasive style is why people tend not engage in any meaningful conversation with you.

You are obviously intelligent and well experienced and versed in what you do. But what attracts me and others like me to this thread in this forum is it encourages SMART and COURTEOUS discussion of Next-gen videogame hardware. Too much of one and not enough of the other usually results in the circular conversation we are having now. As should be obvious, but I will state it again and extend you the courtesy you don't offer me....

1-Current games running on RTX hardware are just that, current games.

2-Next-gen games (not to be confused with cross-gen games) are different from current generation games and are built to different specifications.

3-The game I saw was not designed to work on current spec hardware like a PS4 for instance.

4-I gave impressions of that Next-gen game running on PS5 which, to my eyes, look superior to current generation games in certain ways, which I have outlined as well as I can on several occasions.

New generation software exceeding previous generation software is definitely a thing and will continue to be a thing. The original reference I made to RTX is I saw Modern Warfare running on RTX and the RT shadow effects in that game looks similar to the PS5 demo I saw, but the PS5 game also had additional effects and scale of effects that seems even better.

I also said that (and this seems to be the crux of the hand-wringing/pearl-clutching) if you didn't know it was running on PS5 hardware, you would guess it was running on a 2080.

That's it.

Anything beyond that is a different discussion for a different person at a different time.

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we appreciate you fam

 

[VX1]

It'll be quite interesting to see PC-only people's reaction when the recommended specs for PS5/Scarlett ports become 2080(TI) next generation.

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Indeed.Plus 32 gigs of RAM and minimum 8C/16T CPU.

 

[STech]

Kleegamefan the games that are being developed for Stadia, are being developed with the current consoles as base line or there are games being developed with next gen specs in mind?

 

[BlueManifest]

Kleegamefan the games that are being developed for Stadia, are being developed with the current consoles as base line or there are games being developed with next gen specs in mind?

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Well we know red dead 2 is the updated pc version atleast

 

[Flandy]

VFX_Veteran blink 5 times if you're being held for ransom

It'll be quite interesting to see PC-only people's reaction when the recommended specs for PS5/Scarlett ports become 2080(TI) next generation.

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They're gonna be really upset when they find their SATA SSD isn't good enough

 

[Dokkaebi G0SU]

Well......

If you guys think it's bad now....

What if Google delivers on the promise that they can harness cloud computing in ways no console or even high end PCs can?

What if it's not bullshit they have developed tech that can link and combine the performance of 2,4,6,10 or more Stadia instances.

What happens if the day comes when the PC is no longer the Master Race in term of compute performance?

What would the reaction be?

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i think you know something around the corner but believe the masses aren't ready for it. like a reason why sony nor Ms can claim the fastest/most powerful is because of stadia. that would be a twist!

 

[Bosch]

Indeed.Plus 32 gigs of RAM and minimum 8C/16T CPU.

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8c/16t is a reality for pc

All the other things you guys dreaming here is embarrassing...it looks more like a bunch of fanboys jealous about pc.

Ps5 and scarlet with 2080/2080 ti Power... Lol will be hilarious when the reveal happens.