No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
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No. It's not quite like CGI, but it way better than current stuff. I so hope that it shows up in a reveal so you can see it.
i didnt say i rather do checkeboard 60.
i wanted checkerboard while pushing for the highest graphical complexity possible.
then again it seems like going by klee that the game looks amazing regardless.
Yeah and for the best. Seems next-gen is very capable.
I think they will go CB someday when they feel those consoels won't be able to push the more advanced graphics in the upcoming years so they had to work on some compensations. Juts like now.
I was already impressed by the specs confirmed so far, but everything you described seeing behind the scenes...
I do too. And yeah, I'm guessing "CGI-like games" can't really work when the CGI comparison point keeps on progressing too. Damn, this is going to be slick. I wonder how FFXVI will look.
Because you can't tell the difference between good reconstruction and native. It takes DF analysis for people to be able to tell in games like DMC when it is done well. And even then they initially got it wrong when they analysed the demo and said it was native! Games have so much post processing these days that you and your naked eye will be unable to differentiate between reconstruction artefacts and those effects.
I wish some developer would do a blinded test of good reconstruction and native so people can stop emperor new clothesing the difference. Because I will guarantee you that a blinded test of really good reconstruction like DMC vs native in normal viewing conditions (not DF pixel crawling) would show that people cannot tell the difference.
Why waste half your GPU on something people won't even be able to see?
I have never, ever, understood the weird ideology of the "native or die" crowd, but apparently some people just want worse looking games I guess. *shrugs*
The best looking games of next gen will use reconstruction.
Hi Klee!
You keep mentioning GDC-presentations, but maybe some videos would help you articulate the differences better?
The Heretic
The Chaos tech-demo
Troll - Ray Tracing tech-demo
How do the character models compare to The Heretic? The destruction to Chaos? The ray-tracing to something like Troll?
Just some examples. I am a believer, btw - the jump will be huge!
Are these demos (eventually) possible on next-gen?
I think you should remove The chaos egine vidoe because it is irrelevant in the comparison you are alluding it because it is already part of the engien itself and not some smoke and mirrors or target render and any dev could use to whatever extent he they want whether below this or even go beyond this if they want so no this is not just an eyecandy tech demo to give you an idea but a real thing. This would cause confusion for many thinking this is not possible to do or just target tech demo or a vision.
It is explained ind etails in the last UE4 update changelogs.
Don't get me wrong, I think next gen will surpass that. I just want to give Klee something to compare the stuff he's seen to.
Responses like "no, way better than that", or "not quite as good as that" is what I'm hoping for. Doesn't have to be too specific. Just to get a feel for what to expect from the early games.
Ah ok I got you. I asked him about the Chaos Engine earlier and whether the devs used it in the game since it's an UE4 game or their own implementation, he said he doesn't know. It is understandable since the dev didn't share thourough technical details with him.
Hey Kleegamefan. Thanks for sharing some information with us, much appreciated!
I have a question and it's something that I've been trying to visualise in my mind the sort of look next-gen games will have. Would you say what you saw finally has that CG look and feel to it? Every gen it seems to be, 'we're approaching almost CG visuals but not quite there yet'. Would you say we're there now? Like, does it still look and feel like a game or more than that, if that makes sense, ha.
I know CG quality is always improving so likely it won't match up to current CG standards, but how would you say it compares to early PS4 level of CG fidelity? What gen would it be most comparable to?
Just a few examples that came to my mind:
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I have a question and it's something that I've been trying to visualise in my mind the sort of look next-gen games will have. Would you say what you saw finally has that CG look and feel to it? Every gen it seems to be, 'we're approaching almost CG visuals but not quite there yet'. Would you say we're there now? Like, does it still look and feel like a game or more than that, if that makes sense, ha.
I know CG quality is always improving so likely it won't match up to current CG standards, but how would you say it compares to early PS4 level of CG fidelity? What gen would it be most comparable to?
Just a few examples that came to my mind:
Assassin's Creed Unity E3 2014 World Premiere Cinematic Trailer [EUROPE]
The French Revolution was led by the people. They stood together and faught the oppression. This year, and for the 1st time in the Assassin's Creed® franchis...
www.youtube.com
Marvel’s Spider-Man – Be Greater Extended Trailer | PS4
https://www.playstation.com/games/marvels-spider-man/?emcid=or-1s-412983Marvel’s Spider-Man extended trailer. BE GREATER. Available Now.
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I think some of you need to relax on trying to get Klee from identifying how it looks like by asking him to cross reference with 3, 4 tech demos lol.
I think many people will probably want more Tflops of the GPU. I think it will the fact than the TFlops will probably be under 12 TFlops (x2 Xbox One X) will made some people unhappy seeing the spec. RDNA having more efficiency than GCN is for the guy knowing technology not the case of most gamer. I would even say that if we had an Nvidia 11 Tflops GPU some people would have complain.
This is UE 4 and they are ex DICE developers preparing a next-generation game and much more interesting not a demo this is a game. This is probably something looking more like the game klee has seen.
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Can you throw us a bone to give us a clue on specs? Or better yet, in your opinion, where do you think architecturally these machines will deviate? IE in your opinion do you see more CUs on the Xbox, do you see a larger emphasis on ssd streaming with ps5?
Holy shit I missed this! I hope this isn't a case of early tech demos that we never end up reaching because if this can be consistent across the board - we are going to be some happy kids
Why would he know that tech stuff .
So far from when he is saying he give us a overall picture of next gen .
Don't see the need for him to go into to much detail and get him or he source in trouble.
I think it is very exciting. A real game by a third-party that is pretty early in dev running on real, but not final, PS5 hardware over a year from release.
I'm confident I will say wow when we finally see games.
I think you are perhaps reading too negatively into that what we said? I mean, the article mentions two types of RT and we then just describe what we know about them (they are indeed the cheap effects that RT can do, and you can read about that fact anywhere) and what it might mean for the hw and games, and also say that it is not exhaustive "could just be a red herring/ might not be indicative".
Both John and I say during and at the end that we are happy that hw accellerated RT is there and that I hope it is a good baseline of performance to kick start of the RTRT era right.
As I see it, we trend to offer a grounded view on things that come from PR perspectives: that does not mean we are doing a disservice to anyone or anything.
I do not think it is correcrt to say the big GPUs get pummeled by RT being set to on. If you use normalised standards of game performance (e.g. console performance of 30 fps at high res or 60 fps at intermediate res), then they do a fairly great job.
I really do think that the strange collective expectation on the PC side of things that every game NEEDS to run at 4K 60 or 1440p 144 has completely skewed the conversation on how performant or not performant games are, since it ignores what is actually being rendered. RT is a part of that.
Klee doing himself more harm than good every time he drops those bombs — I don't even want to know what his @'s look like 😂.
I've only seen a multiplatform game running on PS5 development hardware. That said, it should look exactly the same on Xbox Scarlett
Hey Kleegamefan. Thanks for sharing some information with us, much appreciated!
I have a question and it's something that I've been trying to visualise in my mind the sort of look next-gen games will have. Would you say what you saw finally has that CG look and feel to it? Every gen it seems to be, 'we're approaching almost CG visuals but not quite there yet'. Would you say we're there now? Like, does it still look and feel like a game or more than that, if that makes sense, ha.
I know CG quality is always improving so likely it won't match up to current CG standards, but how would you say it compares to early PS4 level of CG fidelity? What gen would it be most comparable to?
Just a few examples that came to my mind:
Assassin's Creed Unity E3 2014 World Premiere Cinematic Trailer [EUROPE]
The French Revolution was led by the people. They stood together and faught the oppression. This year, and for the 1st time in the Assassin's Creed® franchis...
Marvel’s Spider-Man – Be Greater Extended Trailer | PS4
https://www.playstation.com/games/marvels-spider-man/?emcid=or-1s-412983Marvel’s Spider-Man extended trailer. BE GREATER. Available Now.
Yeah. It's in the ballpark of that AC Unity flyover for sure.
Do you know if that hardware was already an APU or just desktop parts with sony's software?
What i mean to ask is whether the hardware running this was close enough to represent the actual PS5 version or is this more like a watch dogs reveal situation where the developers made the demo for a high end PC.
It was running on Navi-based hardware. So a current for the time PS5 development kit.(June 2019).
Klee thanks for All your inputs till now . Love it . I will ask you another question that I heard from somewhere . Let's say rumors .
I was told Sony hasn't decided on the final gpu clocks. Have you heard that or is it final now ?
Honestly, and this is the last thing I will say about it, but I think some people are going to be disappointed at how similar PS5 and Scarlett hardware are.
It's my belief ( As in I don't really know) that the biggest division will be Exclusive games, UI and services .
It's my belief ( As in I don't really know) that the biggest division will be Exclusive games, UI and services .
Given that PC Navi 10 doesn't have RT hardware and the game you saw does have RT I think it logical that the dev kit (the V shape one we have seen?) has at least a non-final clocks/spec APU at this point?
In any case I think both consoles, to paraphrase Matt, are going to be lit.
. There are at least two more major revisions coming but I don't know the exact details of what that entails
Maybe it is also purely for marketing reasons. A 1800p checkerboard is already perfect and allow you a lot of ressources for something else. I know the jump from 30fps to 60fps is not that easy, but I still hope to have the choice between native 4k 30fps and whatever definition CB at 60fps. The thing is, I am not sure we saw CB at 60 fps. Maybe there is not enough time to do it.
I only bought Sony and Nintendo console but I am not a fanboy so this is the best news you can share.
Oh wow. If games can target that level of visuals, I would be happy indeed. Thanks!
For me i don't care if they mostly the same once the base line raise high enough .
In fact both of them being nearly the same could be a good thing once the base line not low.
It will no longer be which system holding back the games even for multiplatform titles and first party will push hard like usual .
I woke up to this... then checked my calendar to see if you've already taken your trip. This is no way to live.
They will start the gen with native 4K. End it with 4K.CB and games that look almost twice as good a whatever they put out at the start. I can live with that :)
Yep that is normally how it goes since they don't be pushing hardware to limit at the start of the gen .
Mid way when cross gen done and they pushing things is when i expect to see CB unless they doing 60fps version and giving you the option .
It's nice that we're finally starting to get little dev kit related nuggets, in the past that usually led to juicer and juicer spec details leaking.
Intruiging. Shadowfall was also the first game where I thought 'holy shit, next gen is here'.
I don't think this time we will have to wait. I think games will hit the ground running from launch with the stable, evolved and mature tools compared to previous gen transitions. The year delay for PS5 doesn't hurt launch games, either.
You're not wrong, but it seems in general that games really start pushing a system towards the middle and tail end of the generation just because Devs start from scratch for a new IP/sequel (look at BF4 to BFV)
At the start there's a few games in the first 2 years (Bloodborne, Killzone, Infamous) that showcase what to expect. I could see HZD2 launching in 2021.
Sure some devs will no doubt push things when they learn to take advantage of the new tech like the SSD etc but still I think the whole idea with the new consoles is to remove as much of the learning curve and barriers so devs can just take the max out of the hardware straight away. To be fair even on this gen launch games KZ:SF and Ryse both hold up really well at least graphically.
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