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calm down, its a QA tester, these kinds of meetings happen with the tech developers.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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If I turn my whole apartment into a single room by taking down a few walls and get rid of all my furniture, I might just have enough space to do that :D
Polyphony just updated the GT Sport intro movie. There's been some speculation that they've been working on their next gen engine as they showed of a ray tracing demo on an 8K Sony demo display earlier in the year, and would likely be among the first to get PS5 specs and dev kits. Just sharing since there's a slim chance that it could be rendered using their next gen tech.
Well, I'm glad you got the point of my post ;)
If this were true, I would have heard something about this meeting
1. Hardcore gamers live in a cocoon. A cocoon that sometimes does not lend itself to thinking critically. This thing called backwards compatibility has never been important, and it becomes even less important when space is at a premium.
Games are going to get bigger; how much bigger? So do you think that people that already own a PS4 or XB1 will put those consoles in storage and move entire libraries into a SSD solution for next gen that may be 1/2TB?
2. Turn 10 has been making the best console sim, it happened on day one. Bungie made the best first person shooter, it was the first game they made under Microsoft. Playground Games has been making the best arcade style racer, it has been that way since day one. The Coalition has been making the best third person shooter since day one, and their last entry is head of heels better than anything that has been put out.
In that stable, they already have the best racing games, and when it comes to shooters, the best collection between first and third person and there is a focus on strong multiplayer content. Where Microsoft has lacked is JRPG's, RPG's, third person action adventure titles. The only sector where they remain weak is when it comes to Japanese related titles after one looks at their studio purchases.
If Ninja Theory, Obsidian, Playground, InXile hit games that are in the 83/85 metascore range, they will be OK. I also think that studios like Rare and Undead Labs were the victims of not having a big enough inhouse development team because Sea of Thieves and State of Decay II have only got a lot stronger once they started adding content. Time is one thing that Microsoft studios never had in abundance, it is something that they will be getting going forward.
3. In an ideal world, Microsoft would once again butcher the launch of Scarlett, come out weaker, have a skint development team, and have a weaker console to have the same effect that we saw. We do not live in an ideal world. Microsoft has changed in relation to what Sony has done. Sony has adapted some of their strategy to match what Microsoft is doing. It is unlikely that Microsoft will mess it like they did at the reveal of this generation, but how the gaming population reacts to those move is something that remains to be seen. Microsoft could do everything right and lose market share when it comes to consoles, they might mess up somewhat and see a rise in sales. Either way, I expect that we will see some more acquisitions from both as they try to bolster their first party offering.
seems to me like the regular game. most reflections in this video seems to be standard reflection techniqeus unless if i am missing something.
That's when the second part of my post comes into play: games.
Changing ecosystems is just an extra hurdle, which may be worth jumping if the games in the other ecosystem are better than the ones in your present ecosystem.
That's why I predict there will be more people jumping from Xbox to PlayStation than the other way around, not only to play next gen games, but also to play this one's through BC, as even Phil says this gen's first paty offerings has been pretty lackluster.
In this case MS clearly benefits more than Sony from people being locked into their ecosystem, not only through past purchases, but things like GamePass. How many people have Ultimate paid for 1$ for the next 3 years? These people are pretty much locked in, which is of course why MS offered such deal in the first place. Unless you don't see any value in GamePass, which obviously you do. It's great value and I'm sure many people will chose to remain in the Xbox ecosystem because they love GamePass (among the other things that comprise said ecosystem)
I never tested freesync but I just hope Sony and devs will allow variable frame rate and not only caplock FPS.
I mean if Freesync do the job, you can have a game running between 40 and 60 FPS without stuttering. Could be better if the freeeync range was 30-60he but not sure we will see monitor or TV with this type of range...
Does anybody have tested for example One X with freesync which allow variable frame rate ? Any good feedback ?
I mean if Freesync do the job, you can have a game running between 40 and 60 FPS without stuttering. Could be better if the freeeync range was 30-60he but not sure we will see monitor or TV with this type of range...
Does anybody have tested for example One X with freesync which allow variable frame rate ? Any good feedback ?
Yeah, that new intro is just the current game graphics, supersampled.
And that's where Game Pass comes into play. There isn't any hurdle anymore in switching platforms because you have a whole library of new/recent games waiting for you. And with all of the MS' new studios, the content is going to be flowing at the end of this gen and start of next gen. This will make it extremely enticing to get an Xbox next gen.
I would love to see a kind of light minimum framerate policy employed where all games must never drop below 40, with the option of a 30fps cap for non-VRR displays. It wouldn't be nearly as restrictive or unrealistic as mandated 60fps and would still look very nice.
The hurdle is for Xbox owners, not for PS4 owners...as I said it keeps the Xbox owners locked into the MS ecosystem.
PS4 owners will stay into the Sony ecosystem not because they're locked in, but because of the games. If they enjoyed Sony's first party games, as most of them do, they will buy the PS5 to play the sequels of said games, alongside whatever new IPs said proven developers have to offer.
Also that's were BC comes into play; is not (or not only) for current PS4 owners to play their old games again, by mostly for Xbox owners that want to play them for the first time (on a PS5, through BC).
And makes it a lot easier and more enticing for non-Xbox owners this gen to get a Scarlett next gen.
Both will have great games next-gen and both will have BC allowing people to play the games they missed on both platforms. Game Pass gives the added benefit of being able to play all new games also at no extra cost.
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It is clearly rendered by one of theire engine. There is good reflexion on helmets but I don't know if it is RT.
I am convinced GT sports will have a dedicated PS 5 version while waiting for GT 7. Racing games are always a treat to the eyes and Microsoft will have a racing game at launch. Probably a cross gen title too so we need that "fight".
Cross posting from the Xbox Studios thread, not sure if this has been posted here.
Microsoft has been dabbling with this type of stuff for a few years, but it looks like their efforts are set to increase in the future. I wonder what their end goal is: expand bespoke in-house chip design and/or strengthened partnerships with the likes of intel, AMD, ARM/Qualcomm?
I'm sure the SOC is Scarlett will offer some MS specific customization on top of existing AMD IP, though perhaps future chips could have more distinct differences.
Microsoft has been dabbling with this type of stuff for a few years, but it looks like their efforts are set to increase in the future. I wonder what their end goal is: expand bespoke in-house chip design and/or strengthened partnerships with the likes of intel, AMD, ARM/Qualcomm?
I'm sure the SOC is Scarlett will offer some MS specific customization on top of existing AMD IP, though perhaps future chips could have more distinct differences.
The sky reflexion on the helmet is already in the game ? (I know you can cheat with that and that's not on gameplay part of the trailer)
I would think being most digital purchase driven in the PS360 era was for a minority with 7-9 years ago.
With PS4One even now Switch digital marketshare rose over the years. To what now ~50%?
That is another dimension of investment of more casual people and it will be interesting if it has an effect to lockdown most people into an ecosystem.
Can I play Halo on PS5, can I play TLOU 2 on Xbox? No the day, the fan of each side will understand this and the concept of backlog this will be a good beginning.
And the concept of brand too. Some people out of US and UK buy a Playstation because this is a playstation if no problem with price they don't even try to buy an Xbox.
Same in US for Xbox.
Welp, that's what I vaguely heard from the colleague, not like I found something on the web. If there'd be more details, I'd share info but that's all I heard for now.
The wording was "nextgen meeting" and I believe it does not involve QA.
I'm sure many people will switch from Sony to MS, all I'm saying is more people will make the jump in the other direction.
Why? Again, the answer is games. Both will have great games, the same way both had great games this gen, but most people would agree that Sony first partly offerings have been superior, and most people will bank on next gen being the same.
Again, why would I jump ships after having enjoyed this gen's games, and miss the opportunity of playing their sequels, for the promise of getting something better from MS? I just don't see it at this point in time
The same reason that more people are choosing PlayStation over MS now (even with GamePass) than they did 6 years ago, is the one that will make them chose PlayStation next gen
Edit : Notice that I say more people, not all the people. There's obviously plenty of reasons to chose MS over Sony.
You don't know that. Sony studios can still fucked up the sequels and we don't know what MS new studios will do. The only one we already know is Bleeding Edge, a MP game no one is talking about made by a studio highly recognised for their SP output. I don't say the game won't be great, it is just something not in the studio DNA (and this questionnable art style...) and will be probably full of MT.
This has been an interesting shift for MS as the OS becomes less important. Shifting into Azure, Hardware, and chip design.
Bleeding Edge isn't a next-gen game, and it was a side project that was in development long before the studio acquisition.
People will jump ship because of the games, and their ability to access them through Game Pass. There's really no way to know how next-gen will turn out as there's a lot of exciting things happening currently.
But they already have the ability to enjoy said games through GamePass, right now, and more people are chosing PlayStation, right now, even with the competition of GamePass, than they did at any point in this gen.
Can't wait to play Spider Man 2 and BoTW 2 on X cloud !
It's the end of the gen, MS' output has lackluster up to this point, and the Xbox One is still a tarnished brand. Next-gen is clearly going to be another story. How they announce the next Xbox and the games they show for it will be extremely important.
You won't be able to!
Boy oh boy do we need some leaks...
Real talk, you folks arguing about Xbox vs Playstation are a written example of what goes on in my mind. Unless one console releases before the other, I'm going to have a seriously hard time deciding which one to buy first.
Can I afford both? Sure... Do I have time to play both AND my Switch? Not a chance in hell.
Real talk, you folks arguing about Xbox vs Playstation are a written example of what goes on in my mind. Unless one console releases before the other, I'm going to have a seriously hard time deciding which one to buy first.
Can I afford both? Sure... Do I have time to play both AND my Switch? Not a chance in hell.
Very interesting article, I do wonder whether Scarlett will incorporate dedicated AI and machine learning into the work they have done with AMD?
Haha yeah but this is why I used Alien Isolation which is the best example. You don't have headtracking enabled by default but only when you hold L1 to peek around corners to check danger ascif you were there also voice detection so you have to hold your breath and don't let your dog bark. :p Sneezing is bad in every way whether for head tracking or voice detection.XD
Not everyone wants VR tbh like me and in reality you don't walk around wearing a headset also VR games tend to look worse than non VR ones and cause heaache. Optional headtracking is the best especialy for horror games to add immersion.
Believe me the PS4 version of Alien Isolation is the most immersive version: head tracking, voice detection, radar when used beeps in the controller which becomes green like the radar screen. If only the game had PS4 Pro support tonremove jaggies and improve graphics. On PS5 it could be more immersive if the DS5 has really a screen to show real radar. You can't have that when using VR.
If only the camera had more support than just be a necessity only for VR like early PS4 games.
My biggest concern I have now over these next-gen consoles is that they are being released literally 1 year from now. By that time, most AAA PC games will have a fair amount of ground on the RTX tech which is the only thing that will be the large delta between today's games graphics and next-gen games. Pretty much next-gen has taken off full steam with the first release of Metro RTX on PC and the growth rate is unexpectedly large. Google's machine is coming this fall. And a slew full of AAA gaming companies will have mastered implementing ALL of the RTX features. Sony/Microsoft won't have comparable hardware and will be coming out over a year later. I'm not sure how they'll make up the delta tbh.
Gamepass is fine, but it's too early to say if it's a big reason for people to switch from MS to Sony. Especially with EA Access being available for the Playstation.
The image is missing self reflections which RT reflections would have (even SSR would to a good degree), so I do not think so!
can't unseeeeeeThe image is missing self reflections which RT reflections would have (even SSR would to a good degree), so I do not think so!
QUESTION: A while back we had some Reddit/Pastebin rumors mentioning Sony was going to have some form of exclusive arrangement for GTA6, like 3 months or so. Most just scoffed at that and moved on. Did the rest of the info in any of those rumors pan out at all?
I've been thinking that instead of having GTA6 exclusive to the PS platform, maybe the arrangement could be that at launch GTA6 would be available on PS Now for 3 months as part of the marquee collection. The flimsy evidence I'm using is that GTA5 is one of the first group of games to be in the marquee collection and also that the rumors indicated a 3 month deal and games on the marquee collection rotate out after 3 months.
It works out for Sony because they get a massive influx of new subs for PS Now. It works out for Rockstar because they get a ton of money from Sony an most of those people who get it on PS Now will likely buy the game after the 3 months are up anyways to play the online portion.
Thoughts?
I've been thinking that instead of having GTA6 exclusive to the PS platform, maybe the arrangement could be that at launch GTA6 would be available on PS Now for 3 months as part of the marquee collection. The flimsy evidence I'm using is that GTA5 is one of the first group of games to be in the marquee collection and also that the rumors indicated a 3 month deal and games on the marquee collection rotate out after 3 months.
It works out for Sony because they get a massive influx of new subs for PS Now. It works out for Rockstar because they get a ton of money from Sony an most of those people who get it on PS Now will likely buy the game after the 3 months are up anyways to play the online portion.
Thoughts?
And we go back again into the *games" argument.
Even if netx gen games turn out to be equally great, which we won't know until some years into the gen, and even so it's a big if, you have to give PS4 owners a reason to abandon their current ecosystem, and lose the opportunity of playing the sequels of the games they greatly enjoyed this gen.
Yes, that's why the games they show when they reveal the next Xbox will be really important. They need to excite people.
Haha, rt deviation ;dThe image is missing self reflections which RT reflections would have (even SSR would to a good degree), so I do not think so!
Perhaps this is what DF was alluding to in that recent tweet.
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