Didn't you underestimate PS4 hardware sales for the past two years as well? I can see Sony beating those predictions and hitting 16m
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air
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It's not IMO. It will depend of the specs of PS5.
You imagine them asking $499 for a 8-9 tflops box in end of 2020 ? Nvidia will have released their 7nm+ new line of GPUs, AMD will have released their big GPUs (2080/2080ti performance) to compete with Nvidia.
AMD 5700XT / Nvidia 2070 performance will look really dated and weak in 15 months IMO.
A lot of corps are moving away from china today anyway, not just due to tariff's either. Sony understandably wants to continue to enjoy record profits & not lower that slightly, so they will stay in china for now it seems.
I'd be surprised if the eventual outcome for the tariffs isn't "PS5's intended for USA are made in _________", PS5 manufacturing for all other regions stays in China.
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Depending on the exact nature of the tariffs and the legalese involved, they might do what they did in Brazil - to go around some import tariffs, they set up factories to do final assembly there. The vast majority of the thing is manufactured in China, but they put a few parts together, add a few screws, boom, assembled in Brazil, much lower import taxes.
Yup.
Plus,Zen2 won't be a brand new CPU anymore in late 2020,AMD will have Zen3 next year.
GDDR6 and SSD will probably be a bit cheaper as well.
Totally agree (obviously). You wanna join #TEAM2080+
The majority of PC's wll probably either match or be below next gen consoles (even in 2020+).
Nearly everyone -including me- dismissed even the possibility of an SSD, let alone RT. I think PS5 will end up being 499 and I'll be OK with it.
Speaking of the SSD I can't wait to see what the golden component is for the PS6 haha. Maybe they'll put some sort of quantum chip or something lol. I mean 3D computer chips (the next paradigm after the integrated circuit) are going to become mainstream relatively soon so we know there's a 99% chance it will have that.
Thing with tessellation is that it's a fixed function h/w unit which you need to make fast for it to be fast. You can convert VS and specifically GS - which are badly suited to GPU acceleration as a concept - to another shader type which will execute a lot faster on your GPU due to various reasons. But you really can't get around the FF nature of tessellation stage meaning that you have to improve your tessellation h/w for it to improve.
SOTTR is an NV marketed title, I seriously doubt that it was somehow built to Navi's geometry capabilities half a year prior to Navi being released. There's also a small issue of total lack of documentation or even API access to said new pipeline so you can't really take any advantage of it even if you want to. It's basically driver level "magic" right now. And it's also likely the reason why Navi is beating Vega in most geometric tests (tessellation is an exception, reason is described above) despite seemingly having only one geometry processing unit instead of Vega's four.
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Yeah except if weren't for California Hillary would have loss the popular vote as well by over a 1.5 million votes. I am not about to let my f-upped stare (CA) who worries more about feelings then fixing problems, NY, FL, PN, and Texas be the only states of matter. But, because your contestant didn't play the game right and convince the rest of the country with any fervor (besides the Socialist Republic of California) that she was better option your gal lost or perhaps the rest of the country saw what she really was. But only then is it a problem if you lose. Funny thing I remember everybody ganging up on Trump before the election about not accepting if Hillary won but, it is Dems that can't seem to get over losing. I would hate to see the tirades you have playing online, they must be epic. You probably are still talking about the beating you took on COD five years ago.
Yeah because the most important thing in life is to make sure you get your precious plastic box. Not deal with the true issues at hand. Just pass those problems on to the next administration and the they pass it on to the next and then the next. Sounds like a plan. Never mind China's blatant monetary manipulation, heavy taxes (already prior to this tariff war) on foreign goods, heavy regulations on foreign goods and companies, blatant IP theft at every level, trying to scam the system by acting as if they are third-world developing country and should be allowed to avert the WTO rules they agreed to abide by even though they are the second largest economy in the world. Meanwhile you say damn I need my little toys. Lets just pass the buck like we always do until it becomes too late. Good plan. Will tariffs make China adjust its unfair ways. I don't know but, what is happening is at least confronting an issue people on both political spectrum's of this country have long agreed is a a major issue but, have no willingness to even try (just pass the buck like they always do).
you dont wanna do this here. you are gonna get banned before end of business today.
Well, as much as I like to speculate, times beyond PS5 are waaaay too muddy to even just start guessing, so I won't instead.
I do hope humanity will still exist tho, that would be a big plus.
(On a more serious note, I expect AI and ML to develop exponentially -it's part of why I decided just recently to start to pursue a career in programming/AI engineering- if I recall correctly, Nvidia already has experiments, where an AI "renders" a busy street from scratch with no geometry, lighting or anything involved, straight to the end product.)
You're right, it is far too soon to speculate. *continues to silently wish for 1 PFLOP*.
Artificial Intelligence is progressing faster than any other industry in the history of Humanity. I'm almost a Ray Kurzweil level optimist.
Screw exponential growth, it's already far above that (depending on the field). Here are some examples:
https://www.futuretimeline.net/data-trends/9.htm (that's there Moore's Law chart showing that it isn't slowing down)
Who the hell knows where we'll be in 5 years, 3 years, or even 1 year...
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AMD reported earnings for this quarter. Looks like semi-custom (including console chips) are selling less than expected:
Definitely feels like production of PS4 and XB1 is winding down a bit, and production of next gen hasn't ramped up yet.
Definitely feels like production of PS4 and XB1 is winding down a bit, and production of next gen hasn't ramped up yet.
If they thought they could hit 16M, they wouldn't have lowered it to 15M.
2017 was a great year for PS4 after a price reduction and the Pro launch, and no one expected 2018 to be as great as it was because of Battle Royal. Both of those impacts have lost relevance in 2019, with price being stagnant and Battle Royal selling consoles confined to 2018.
With what we know, sell through in the PS4's top 2 markets is down by 1/3 this year, and current trajectory doesn't leave much hope PS4 even sells through 15M this year, even if they lower the price again to $249.
Whatever extra momentum companies thought 2018 would carry over didn't exist. Now Sony is correcting that.
I don't think Nintendo is making as much money as Sonys gaming division currently.
They have underestimated shipments and then increased in the past. It all depends on the holiday season.I just think they are being cautious with the China tariffs looming in the air. The plan would be the slim version launches at 249 and then go down to 199 for an extended period during the holiday period. Obviously this won't work if the tariffs take effect and they end up increasing the price.
I just wondering if they saying fuck it and just going for profit .
For the past few years price drops have come less and deals not as good.
PS5 on the way maybe it best just to go for profit so next gen lost\expense don't hit them to hard .
WOW AMD stock is just down 1.5%
Normally you see 10% drop or gains after earnings.
Thank god that roller coaster is finally over
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You posted Q1 results.
The current quarter is Q2
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The alternative was not voting at all or voting for his opponent. You've got a country that's screwed either way.
Ah, that explains it, lol. I assumed that they are also having Q1 now because sony does.
That is exactly what it is.
Next gen launches are huge money sinks. It definitely makes sense to pile up as much money as possible before one.
Make sense marketing alone is 100's of millions of dollars .
I think they should've just made Ghost of Tsushima a PS5 exclusive, and announced it closer to PS5 launch. The game looks flat out next gen.
I like how it's still listed as "Next generation Radeon RDNA" even after Navi was released. Feels like more confirmation that Scarlett is using RDNA 2.0.
I still think that's next gen gameplay we're seeing there. You'll get a low res version of that on PS4.
I mean, sure, but even then such an adjustment is basically an additional tax in and of itself. If China wasn't the best place for manufacturing at a low cost, they wouldn't have planned to build there.
Given the team at PlayStation would price based on where they purchase materials in bulk and then also where they must be shipped to in bulk, there is no easy way to just "move" manufacturing to another country. Otherwise, they could've chosen any country and just done it by now no problem.
I think they should've just made Ghost of Tsushima a PS5 exclusive, and announced it closer to PS5 launch. The game looks flat out next gen.
I am convinced that either Ghost of Tsushima or the Last of Us Part II will be a PS5 launch title.
Sony's gonna need one big IP for launch especially since Microsoft's releasing the Scarlett with Halo.
Sure it's more expensive to move, but if the 25% tariff's come into play, some where like Vietnam or Taiwan would be cheaper.
I don't think these tariff's will happen anyway.
Agreed dude the GoT E3 trailer graphics wise in my opinion blew every PS4 exclusive out the water, it was so visually gorgeous to the point where i doubt it'll be only a current gen game
Not to mention that release wise for the PS4's current 1st party portfolio has
Death Stranding 2H 2019
1st party game 1H 2020
1st Party game 2H 2020
not only will one of them be releasing in the 2nd half of 2020, wouldn't it be really weird if they released it in say September when the PS5 could come out in November? Nah they wouldn't do that, why have a highly anticipation release a month or two before a new console release like what GTA5 did for this gen lol.
It's definitely a PS4 exclusive. We still don't know how BC works but it's possible they'll release an enhanced/remastered version for the PS5. Similar to CP 2077 they just push this gen to its limits.
It's great how early gen PS4/XB1 games look a gen behind the upcoming 2019/2020 ones. Remember how TLOU and GTA V looked amazing on last gen consoles? Then later in 2013 Sony revealed the first PS4 titles and the difference was huge already. We're gonna experience the same thing again but most likely on a bigger scale because they probably wanna show off the SSD and CPU right away.
Edit: I still think Death Stranding could become the new graphics king:
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It'll be holiday 2020 without a doubt. It makes the most sense.
I am really starving for next gen, I even dreamed about a Horizon sequel that uses the SSD to allow for instant time skips of flashbacks and flying at incredible speeds over the map. I dreamed watching an E3 show with a woman waking up in snow, the snow immediately blew everything away that was achieved last gen. As she raised her head to reveal who she is, the hair again blew everything our minds. As the camera panned out, her outfit was revealed and the cloth physics again were an insane upgrade, properly simulating wet cloth being somewhat frozen by the snow and wind. I am going insane, it was absolutely a mistake participating in a thread like this almost 2 years before launch.
While I'm not very big on moving super quickly across a map I am super excited about loading in different maps or parts of maps super quickly (I know those sound the same). Let me explain:
Imagine playing a game like Skyrim (I used this example before I just can't think of any different ones) and the player has access to a portal. Once the player character enters the portal their instantly in another part of the map, like the game Portal except on an open world scale. The cool part is the fact you could see directly through the portal to the other side before you enter it. Say there's a giant dragon on one side and a village on a another and you could just walk through and slay a dragon and immediately come back to your normal duty. Sorry if I over complicated it.
It could revolutionize open world game design (similar to how GTA 3 changed the industry)!
Edit: Speaking of first impressions:
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Navi naming doesn't exclude it from being RDNA 2.0 I don't believe.
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