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How much money are you willing to pay for a next generation console?

  • Up to $199

    Votes: 33 1.5%
  • Up to $299

    Votes: 48 2.2%
  • Up to $399

    Votes: 318 14.4%
  • Up to $499

    Votes: 1,060 48.0%
  • Up to $599

    Votes: 449 20.3%
  • Up to $699

    Votes: 100 4.5%
  • I will pay anything!

    Votes: 202 9.1%

  • Total voters
    2,210
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StrykerIsland

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RDNA of course. yes, the captain is going down with the ship. ;p

  • I think we will get 56 CUs in both consoles after seeing the die size estimates pegging the SOC at 380-400mm2.
  • Gonzolo clocks at 1.8ghz gives us 12.9 tflops.
  • Gonzolo firestrike score is very high for a CPU with just 3.2 ghz clockspeeds which means the GPU is much stronger than the 19k overall score we see here for a 1.885 ghz rx 5700 xt when paired with a 4.25 ghz Ryzen 2700x cpu.
  • TDP is the big roadblock here cockblocking team 12.9 tflops, but Rylen's tests show that just downclocking by 35% gives us a massive 80-100% drop in power usage.
  • Reiner said devs told him PS5 is more powerful.
  • He who shall not be named said he heard PS5 is definitively more powerful.
  • Panello thought Sony had a 8 tflops gpu. MS was likely going with the sandwich strategy of 5 and 11 tflops because of this, which is why they were so sure about having the performance advantage.
  • 5700XT is not a good card to base next gen estimates from. It doesnt have RT which is deeply integrated into GPU design. It doesnt have support for Variable shading which MS has already confirmed.
  • 7nm+ and Next gen rdna is a thing. I wouldnt be surprised if RDNA 2.0 was designed with 7nm+ in mind and that both or atleast one console is going to be on it. It makes more sense for Sony since they seem to have magically made a more powerful console out of thin air. 7nm+ should make their 56 CU chip smaller and let them clock it higher than whatever MS was planning. but i think both consoles have it and sony has some other trick up their sleeve. #HBM4life.
Excellent post, requesting permission to board the SS 12.9.
I've got cookies.
 

vivftp

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Oct 29, 2017
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I have to wonder what the stock situation will be for next gen consoles upon launch and the following few months. I wonder if they're going to try and better prepare knowing that these things will be insanely popular and will try to have 2-3x the amount of consoles prepped for launch and increase the supply chain to try and mitigate any shortages.

I know there's only so much they can do, and I suppose there's some marketing buzz to be had at reports of the consoles being sold out everywhere, increasing the demand in peoples minds... still I do hope they manage to get more consoles out there relative to this gens launches.


I've watched one or two of his Youtube videos and it seems he claims to know people in the industry and has insider info. Whether that's true or not though, I honestly couldn't say. I wasn't too impressed with his videos and never bothered to go back.
 

JahIthBer

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RDNA of course. yes, the captain is going down with the ship. ;p

  • I think we will get 56 CUs in both consoles after seeing the die size estimates pegging the SOC at 380-400mm2.
  • Gonzolo clocks at 1.8ghz gives us 12.9 tflops.
  • Gonzolo firestrike score is very high for a CPU with just 3.2 ghz clockspeeds which means the GPU is much stronger than the 19k overall score we see here for a 1.885 ghz rx 5700 xt when paired with a 4.25 ghz Ryzen 2700x cpu.
  • TDP is the big roadblock here cockblocking team 12.9 tflops, but Rylen's tests show that just downclocking by 35% gives us a massive 80-100% drop in power usage.
  • Reiner said devs told him PS5 is more powerful.
  • He who shall not be named said he heard PS5 is definitively more powerful.
  • Panello thought Sony had a 8 tflops gpu. MS was likely going with the sandwich strategy of 5 and 11 tflops because of this, which is why they were so sure about having the performance advantage.
  • 5700XT is not a good card to base next gen estimates from. It doesnt have RT which is deeply integrated into GPU design. It doesnt have support for Variable shading which MS has already confirmed.
  • 7nm+ and Next gen rdna is a thing. I wouldnt be surprised if RDNA 2.0 was designed with 7nm+ in mind and that both or atleast one console is going to be on it. It makes more sense for Sony since they seem to have magically made a more powerful console out of thin air. 7nm+ should make their 56 CU chip smaller and let them clock it higher than whatever MS was planning. but i think both consoles have it and sony has some other trick up their sleeve. #HBM4life.
We don't know for sure if it has variable shading or not, but since AMD are quiet on that front, it probably doesn't.
5700 XT is a bit of a joke for a 7nm GPU at it's price.
 

VX1

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So anything new while I've been gone on vacay?

Side note/advice: if you're ever offered a chance to go on vacation with the in-laws, for the love of God don't do it
 

modiz

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Oct 8, 2018
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Zen doing God's work for AMD:

AMD Ryzen Overtakes Intel Core CPUs Market Share In Major Asian Pacific Markets, Highest CPU Share in 5 Years

Plus some good new for PS6 and Next next Xbox:

AMD's Next-Gen Zen 5 Core Shows Up In Chief Architect's Profile, Post-2020 Chip Architecture For Future Ryzen, Threadripper & EPYC CPUs

AMD overtaking intel in market share, well god damn.
 

DvdGzz

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Random dude is getting me hyped! I hope it's true that Sony is going hard and not resting on their laurels. Can't wait to see these next-gen consoles and games!
 

Fredrik

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Oct 27, 2017
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Plus some good new for PS6 and Next next Xbox:
2020 sounds like it could be used in the assumed Pro/X upgrades. Or maybe for the next Nintendo console? *gasp* Nintendo have said nothing at all about their next gen plans, except the refining the controller talk. What a wonderful twist if Nintendo decided to go with a powerful console and released it like a year or two after PS5/XB1 with better hardware. :D
 

modiz

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Random dude is getting me hyped! I hope it's true that Sony is going hard and not resting on their laurels. Can't wait to see these next-gen consoles and games!
you mean foxy? he is unreliable, although i dont think 6 AAA games for year 1 is impossible:
ghost of tsushima, GT7 as launch day titles,
horizon 2, housemarque AAA and MLB for H1 2021
spiderman 2 for H2 2021.

here are your 6 AAA titles
 
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Marble

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you mean foxy? he is unreliable, although i dont think 6 AAA games for year 1 is impossible:
ghost of tsushima, GT7 as launch day titles,
horizon 2, housemarque AAA and MLB for H1 2020
spiderman 2 for H2 2020.

here are your 6 AAA titles

Spider-Man came out september 2018. I'm not seeing a PS5 version being developed in 2 years. My guess is 2022 at the earliest.
 

modiz

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Spider-Man came out september 2018. I'm not seeing a PS5 version being developed in 2 years. My guess is 2022 at the earliest.
oh i meant 2021 lol, PS5 aint even out until end of 2020.
and spiderman PS4 was made in around 3 years, so i can see it being ready in the same period of time
 

Marble

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oh i meant 2021 lol, PS5 aint even out until end of 2020.
and spiderman PS4 was made in around 3 years, so i can see it being ready in the same period of time

Spider-Man took 4 years.


Spider-Man PS5 will most likely be way bigger, have way more textures and way more stuff (NPC's, traffic, animals etc.) going on. Unless they massively expand their team, it will take longer to make.
 

modiz

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Spider-Man took 4 years.


Spider-Man PS5 will most likely be way bigger, have way more textures and way more stuff (NPC's, traffic, animals etc.) going on. Unless they massively expand their team, it will take longer to make.
insomniac said the game was in full production for only 2 years.
this time they can have a much quicker pre production


Insomniac prototyped the mechanic early on - the project began life in late 2014, and entered "full production" in 2017 - but nailing the feel took years of revision.

now they have the "feel"
 

Carn

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Oct 27, 2017
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insomniac said the game was in full production for only 2 years.
this time they can have a much quicker pre production




now they have the "feel"

Yeah, a lot of the basics are there, they can just iterate on that. Also, the fact that Spider-man has been used for a PS5 tech demo purposes makes it sound to me that they're actually well into development. I don't think it will be a launch game tho.
 

modiz

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Oct 8, 2018
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Yeah, a lot of the basics are there, they can just iterate on that. Also, the fact that Spider-man has been used for a PS5 tech demo purposes makes it sound to me that they're actually well into development. I don't think it will be a launch game tho.
i think it will be a september 2021 game, 3 years of development time
 
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insomniac said the game was in full production for only 2 years.
this time they can have a much quicker pre production




now they have the "feel"

This.

Pre-production to refactor their engine and dev toolchain as well as develop the core mechanics makes sense.

The basic template is now already there and they need only iterate on it.

As long as development is smooth and there are no major mid-production pivots, 3yrs should be good.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Even if rando, what he says isn't far fetched.

6 first party AAA games for year one? Feels far fetched. Either that or expect a massive drought for years 2-3 while they catch up from the launch spurt.

6 first party games including smaller games like a Resogun and 'definitive editions' of eg TLOU/GoT - sure. But not brand new games.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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RDNA of course. yes, the captain is going down with the ship. ;p

  • I think we will get 56 CUs in both consoles after seeing the die size estimates pegging the SOC at 380-400mm2.
  • Gonzolo clocks at 1.8ghz gives us 12.9 tflops.
  • Gonzolo firestrike score is very high for a CPU with just 3.2 ghz clockspeeds which means the GPU is much stronger than the 19k overall score we see here for a 1.885 ghz rx 5700 xt when paired with a 4.25 ghz Ryzen 2700x cpu.
  • TDP is the big roadblock here cockblocking team 12.9 tflops, but Rylen's tests show that just downclocking by 35% gives us a massive 80-100% drop in power usage.
  • Reiner said devs told him PS5 is more powerful.
  • He who shall not be named said he heard PS5 is definitively more powerful.
  • Panello thought Sony had a 8 tflops gpu. MS was likely going with the sandwich strategy of 5 and 11 tflops because of this, which is why they were so sure about having the performance advantage.
  • 5700XT is not a good card to base next gen estimates from. It doesnt have RT which is deeply integrated into GPU design. It doesnt have support for Variable shading which MS has already confirmed.
  • 7nm+ and Next gen rdna is a thing. I wouldnt be surprised if RDNA 2.0 was designed with 7nm+ in mind and that both or atleast one console is going to be on it. It makes more sense for Sony since they seem to have magically made a more powerful console out of thin air. 7nm+ should make their 56 CU chip smaller and let them clock it higher than whatever MS was planning. but i think both consoles have it and sony has some other trick up their sleeve. #HBM4life.

We got some nice numbers for Zen with current draw and performance between 2.8-32.GHz. But I think we're still missing similar for Gonzo the great. 56CU on an APU (so running alongside a big CPU) - running at 5700XT clocks? Seems hungry to me. What would the current draw be and how would that affect likely TDP?
 

modiz

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6 first party AAA games for year one? Feels far fetched. Either that or expect a massive drought for years 2-3 while they catch up from the launch spurt.

6 first party games including smaller games like a Resogun and 'definitive editions' of eg TLOU/GoT - sure. But not brand new games.
i think i suggested a very possible 6 game lineup in my post:
you mean foxy? he is unreliable, although i dont think 6 AAA games for year 1 is impossible:
ghost of tsushima, GT7 as launch day titles,
horizon 2, housemarque AAA and MLB for H1 2021
spiderman 2 for H2 2021.

here are your 6 AAA titles
 

Xeontech

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Oct 28, 2017
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6 first party AAA games for year one? Feels far fetched. Either that or expect a massive drought for years 2-3 while they catch up from the launch spurt.

6 first party games including smaller games like a Resogun and 'definitive editions' of eg TLOU/GoT - sure. But not brand new games.
Killzone, Resogun, Knack, Infamous, Driveclub, mlb the show

I mean, it's not. And there won't be a drought for years.
 

Melchiah

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Oct 26, 2017
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6 first party AAA games for year one? Feels far fetched. Either that or expect a massive drought for years 2-3 while they catch up from the launch spurt.

6 first party games including smaller games like a Resogun and 'definitive editions' of eg TLOU/GoT - sure. But not brand new games.

Killzone, Resogun, Knack, Infamous, Driveclub, mlb the show

I mean, it's not. And there won't be a drought for years.

Exactly, and the tweet specifically said exclusives, not first party, so Japanese third party exclusives are included.
 

Carn

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i think it will be a september 2021 game, 3 years of development time

Yeah im hoping for an early 2021 launch but late 2021 sounds more sensible. Really looking forward to it. Even if they only 'crank up' the current game (improved models, lighting, streaming, animation, denser traffic/pedestrians, better AI, improved image quality) it would already be an awesome looking game, hehe.
 

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Thinking about what to play at launch of the new consoles and right through they're first year and all I can think about is Game Pass, of course it'll have all the first party titles from the fifteen studios but I would imagine developers would love to launch into GP at the start of next gen and capitalize on all the buzz and hype.

Scarlett can be $599 and I'd still save money on what i paid at launch of the XB1console and games lol.
 
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Thinking about what to play at launch of the new consoles and right through they're first year and all I can think about is Game Pass, of course it'll have all the first party titles from the fifteen studios but I would imagine developers would love to launch into GP at the start of next gen and capitalize on all the buzz and hype.

Scarlett can be $599 and I'd still save money on what i paid at launch of the XB1console and games lol.
Are you quoting some MS PR?
 
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Thinking about what to play at launch of the new consoles and right through they're first year and all I can think about is Game Pass, of course it'll have all the first party titles from the fifteen studios but I would imagine developers would love to launch into GP at the start of next gen and capitalize on all the buzz and hype.

Scarlett can be $599 and I'd still save money on what i paid at launch of the XB1console and games lol.

Great to have you here with us Mr Spencer.
 

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Sorry folks. Let me change that.

I cant wait for TLoU2 and Ghosts of Tsushima and oh my God, Horizon 2 is going to look jaw dropping.

Playstation is going to have at least six AAA during the first year and I can't wait! Better?
 

Gemüsepizza

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Thinking about what to play at launch of the new consoles and right through they're first year and all I can think about is Game Pass, of course it'll have all the first party titles from the fifteen studios but I would imagine developers would love to launch into GP at the start of next gen and capitalize on all the buzz and hype.

Scarlett can be $599 and I'd still save money on what i paid at launch of the XB1console and games lol.

Why would you imagine that? 3rd party developers literally put only their underperforming / old titles on Game Pass. Probably because it's a terrible deal for them otherwise.
 

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Why would you imagine that? 3rd party developers literally put only their underperforming / old titles on Game Pass. Probably because it's a terrible deal for them otherwise.

Ashen, Below, Void Bastards, The Outer Wilds etc etc. All underperformed before they even released , that's some feat!

And seeing as you are privy to the contracts offered to developers can you give us any details of them?
 

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Why not just re-consider the wording of your post to avoid packing as many PR buzzwords into a single post as possible?
I hope you are at least getting paid for this

Do you say this to everyone who comes into the thread to exalt one of the platforms or its offerings?

Everytime someone mentions how excited they are I'll remember to use both of your examples, and I hope you do the same. Should I tag you in posts that I think deserve your critique?
 

modiz

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Sorry folks. Let me change that.

I cant wait for TLoU2 and Ghosts of Tsushima and oh my God, Horizon 2 is going to look jaw dropping.

Playstation is going to have at least six AAA during the first year and I can't wait! Better?
i dont understand why you got to derail the thread like this.
talking about services is not in most of this thread's interest because its only discussing price of engagement rather than what you would be able to do with those games on a next generation hardware.
when we are talking about how pretty thiose games are, its because we want to imagine how good they will look on a new generation, in the case of MS, we already even have 2 showcases for that:



the 2018 trailer especially looked gorgeous, i am excited to see how it will look like closer to launch.
 

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i dont understand why you got to derail the thread like this.
talking about services is not in most of this thread's interest because its only discussing price of engagement rather than what you would be able to do with those games on a next generation hardware.
when we are talking about how pretty thiose games are, its because we want to imagine how good they will look on a new generation, in the case of MS, we already even have 2 showcases for that:



the 2018 trailer especially looked gorgeous, i am excited to see how it will look like closer to launch.


Next gen speculation thread, where we discuss strategies and potential hardware related to next gen. It's not a derailment. People can read, ignore, respond to my posts in any way they see fit but i should still be allowed to post them, right?
 
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Do you say this to everyone who comes into the thread to exalt one of the platforms or its offerings?

Everytime someone mentions how excited they are I'll remember to use both of your examples, and I hope you do the same. Should I tag you in posts that I think deserve your critique?
You can say how excited you are without sounding like a PR person for some corporation.
But you obviously dont see a difference and thats really sad
 

Marble

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insomniac said the game was in full production for only 2 years.
this time they can have a much quicker pre production




now they have the "feel"

Most likely because part of the team was busy with Ratchet & Clank. With that said: we simply don't know what a new console will mean for the franchise. If they make Manhattan 4 (or more) times bigger that would most likely mean we will get said amount of times of content. In an extreme case, that could even mean development will be even longer than the first game.
 
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