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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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One Sku...now we can put to bed the constant assertions that the next Xbox is guaranteed to be more powerful than PS5, without credible evidene. I mean if they are the same price, which they are likely to be, they will be very much in the same ballpark.
Thanks! Obviously we're greedy for any info we can get, but I understand professional responsibilities. I hope your years ahead are full of challenges (the good kind).
I don't know. The DDR3 used to offload some OS tasks in PS4 Pro is not under the main thermal package with the GDDR5; it's a little ways away on the board. So that would be outside the shot of Scarlett we have. But on the other hand, it's only 1GB and not the only memory used for the OS. Could the entire OS allocation be elsewhere? That's just way beyond my knowledge level.
Here's an overhead view corresponding to what I think we're seeing in the video.
It seems clear to me even from the limited angle that, first, there's no RAM chips on the far side of the APU package (top of the overheard shot). And second, there's also not one in the corner position closest to the camera. Because we don't see anything outside the red area, we can't 100% rule out other setup. But I'm unaware of any such layout like this that's highly asymmetric, so the above seems to be very most likely.
Note that the RAM chips labeled in yellow are definite, as we can see their part numbers. Those labeled in white are assuming symmetry. The question marks are where there's nothing to directly suggest 1GB or 2GB size.
Like I said before: If Lockheart and Anaconda were meant to target the price range of 299-499, then it could stand to reason that a single SKU approach would target the 399 range to target a similar-ish segment of the market. It's not a given, but like I said, it's a reasonable assumption to make given the situation.
The reality for any project of this scale is that there are always a lot of course corrections and false starts. Always. To someone who hasn't been directly involved it's going to look a little chaotic; it can be really disconcerting to know too much about how the sausage is made.
I agree with your broader point here that they're making informed decisions that are almost certainly for the best, and that the work done on Lockhart is still likely a valuable part of the process. I do, however, think there's a good chance that they've chosen to squeeze out some costs to hit a more aggressive price point than they would have at the high end with two SKUs. That's likely to mean a compromise on specs, but chances are it's not material and will help them far more than it hurts.
If they were following the same strategy as with Xbox One S/X, it would imply that Anaconda was only supposed to get something like 30% volume vs 70% volume for Lockhart. Which means now they have to release a console that is attractive to 100% of potential buyers, and not just 30%. Pretty simple.
I dont believe anything Matt says. As I dont believe cboat either.
That's not an answer though.
The answer is more like: because these things are dynamic and not at all binary decisions 1 1/2 - 2 years before release.
That's fine fam, but at the very least that's why we asked Bdsams to clarify.
Meh, I'd say it's more of a common sense thing than anything else. I said the same thing on the discord: with a two console lineup you can price them quite decently apart and rely on the cheaper console to generate revenue by targeting a wider demographic, but with one console you'll probably want to pare it closer to the middle than you otherwise had to, so that you don't price yourself out of the market.
I'm really sorry that I qualify "I have a reason I can't tell" as a non-answer. I have a bad taste.
suddenly I'm interested
oh wait, not talking about a new metal gear
Zhuge has no need or reason to choose to not partake in using his pool of insider information to go "yay or nay" on all the various rumours flying around.
Matt is absolutely one of most reliable insiders on this forum. His track record is outstanding.
Nothing you have stated is news to anyone, Sony and nintendo are also doing the same (Ps now, partnering with Azure), moving to services, but hardware is still a huge driver right now, that;'s a fact. People are downplaying it because Phil said it and because Ms is not selling near as many as the competition. Console sales are the biggest driver right now, that's a fact that may change down the road..but as of now that's the reality.
I never debated MS is not moving more to services, not even the point. I was just refuting the "Console sales don;t matter" nonsense some cling to now. They NEED to put out a console because the market dictates what ti wants not MS. If they just went streaming they would be handing Sony an even bigger userbase.
If I remember correctly, my post here - https://www.thurrott.com/xbox/19539...conda-anthem-danta-lockhart-maverick-and-roma - was October-ish info that I sat on until December.
For my part, no one asked. Except for the two people that did ask, and I told them.
And I wouldn't be attacking others for not debunking the misinformation you spread. Comes off as very defensive, which you don't need to be. You didn't lie, you don't try to mislead people. You just made a mistake, we all do.
Much appreciate the response.
Have you heard if Anaconda will be effected by lock being canned? Was the two SKU approach mostly on paper? How far into the game was the plan?
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Now, I'm not saying Anaconda won't be able to eat Chihuahuas, but there are definitely limits to these things.
The three differences between anaconda and lockhart: less powerful gpu, smaller ram, and lower storage, i beleive it had the same cpu.
I dont think this impacts Anaconda in really any negative way at all.
Absolutely fair.
So here I am, asking you. I'm honestly just curious. Why not debunk the info a whole community is sitting on for basically 6+ months (I think Windowscentral / The Verge published the two SKU info first in Dec) if you knew it for so long already as you said - and only doing so coincidentally the day an article by an reputable source is being published on it? I mean Brad is pretty much on-point with his info all the time (minus dynamic changes that can always happen in the industry), I don't know why it even requires any further confirmation.
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I wouldn't have bought it. But I liked the idea.
I think it's a good strategy to target multiple market segments IF* they could achieve the right price(<=$300) without compromising next-gen game development/performance. Ideally, porting would only require reducing texture resolution, and rendering resolution. But I do imagine it's hard to achieve both of those simultaneously.
I do not subscribe to belief that 4-5TF would have hurt next-gen games at a quarter the resolution.
If the rumor about there being no Next-Gen exclusives on the XBox side in favour of cross-gen is true, then that could be justification for dropping Lockhart, since it likely wouldn't perform better than the X for cross-gen titles.
Oh you believe. You don't like it at you know you believe it. Let's be straight here.
I don't know if this is his reason, but some people might exercise restraint when they're the sole source of something. There is a difference between breaking news, and confirming news that someone else broke.
...seriously?
You're obviously not interested in an actual discussion, and frankly I'm not interested in answering the questions of someone that's insulting me in an attempt to paper over their own mistakes.
The implication would be that if Lockhart is axed, would this change price point and power target of Anaconda to get a more mainstream machine. Ie 399
Insulting? What? Uhm. Okay? I legitimately asked you the question you asked for in a fair and completely neutral manner.
I'd say accusing someone of pretending (or to put it another way, lying) is pretty insulting.
"Pretend" , Klob.
Calling someone a liar or faker before they even could explain their position is insulting
It's also a reasonable assumption to suggest they're just going with one of the specs they planned all along
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