Less RAM, lower clocks/voltages, possible fewer CUs and/or more disabled ones for yields. If they were far enough along with dev that they're rejiggering one of their SKUs, it likely won't be an "optimal" configuration, though.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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Less RAM, lower clocks/voltages, possible fewer CUs and/or more disabled ones for yields. If they were far enough along with dev that they're rejiggering one of their SKUs, it likely won't be an "optimal" configuration, though.
Even more reason why I'm so surprised that people took Klobrille seriously since he isn't verified in the slightest.
Of course as you said the question is what change .
IMO the faster \easier thing would be lower ram .
Thanks, I was just wondering about #2.
There is a little bit of 🍵 here though. 👀
Thanks for clarifying
What's your take on it bdsams , as you just started to to talk about Anaconda and Lockhart codenames at the end of last year?
I tagged you :D
Thank you for clarifying your statement, much appreciated.
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I have a question for the more knowledgeable in this thread. Since Xbox One X GPU is clocked at 1.172GHz and PS4 Pro at 911MHz, is there a reason why we expect the next gen consoles to be drastically over these clocks? Wouldn't cranking up the GPU clock to say 1.5GHz generate a ton of heat for a console? I'm wondering if we are not getting our hopes up for a TFLOPS count that is simply not attainable for a console form factor and price point.
One thing that is relevant to both the Scarlett and the PS5 if you assume they are both going to do good SoC work is the fact that the Xbox One X pretty clearly outperformed the on paper expectations of what that 6 TFLOPS RX 480 like GPU should have done. It ended up punching above its weight pretty strongly achieving native 4K in Red Dead Redemption 2, and most of the upcoming big AAA games announced at E3 including Cyberpunk are listed as some version of 4K support on the Xbox game listings. Cerny himself said at one point that he though 8 TFLOPS was necessary for 4K, so the X shows that these companies can do some really great work that can exceed expectations.
I'm still on the Lockhart as a hybrid/mobile SKU train. This is all a smoke screen to throw people off the fact they're coming for all of you Switch users.
Yea, which was my point about 'never released silicon' ;)
More of its own thing from what I heard, continuing the path started with PS2, so pretty radically different from anything we've seen since (or before it) in the GPU space.
The strategy made sense in trying to get people who are price sensitive. That was the only argument that made sense if developers were going to develop for the Anaconda and then toggle settings down.
And even then, I do not think it would have been enough to beat Sony in sales, even stated so.
Those were not based on 7nm design as the ones that will be part of next gen consoles. IIRC they are both made from 16nm nodes. So, for the 7nm to generate similar amounts of heat as 16nm, they will have to be clocked higher.
Thanks. I guessed it was Shader Engine earlier as well, but I thought next gen design was going to be based around either 2 or 4 SE.
Edit: Ah! Thanks for the edit.
This.
Exactly. I agree 1000%
I hate the idea of Lockhart and truly hope its dead.
New Prediction:
PS5
GPU: 10TF Navi (52CU @ 1.5GHz)
CPU: 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.0 GHz
Memory: 24GB GDDR6
Storage: 1TB ultra fast SSD
$449
Scarlett
GPU: 9TF Navi (44CU @ 1.6GHz)
CPU: 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.2 GHz
Memory: 18GB GDDR6
Storage: 1TB standard SSD
$399
PS5
GPU: 10TF Navi (52CU @ 1.5GHz)
CPU: 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.0 GHz
Memory: 24GB GDDR6
Storage: 1TB ultra fast SSD
$449
Scarlett
GPU: 9TF Navi (44CU @ 1.6GHz)
CPU: 8 Zen 2 cores @ 3.2 GHz
Memory: 18GB GDDR6
Storage: 1TB standard SSD
$399
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I didn't want a Lockhart but I really wanted like $500 or $600 anaconda. Sucks if it's only $400 now.
Verge might be respectable but they're just sourcing windowscentral who themselves just say "our sources" as the basis for that statement. I looked at the articles again and that seems to be the case. Is that correct? That doesn't confirm the validity of the info.
Bro, you were presenting way out of date info as insider info...
I don't think your Scarlett prediction aligns with the SOC die estimates of 380-400mm2.
If so, I clearly didn't know around this time, nor did the other media outlets. So I am sorry if you think it was my intention to push outdated info. But why couldn't the people who suddenly act like they had knowledge for months already simply not tell and correct earlier then? Why only doing so the day Brad posts an article about it?
Are plans for Anaconda being scaled back now that only one SKU exists as opposed to two?
bdsams I had a query/comment pertaining to previous video covering which console would be more powerful:
To your knowledge, has MS mandated 4K60fps for all the games that are to grace Scarlette?
In the video you stressed about how those performance metrics will be prevalent on that system and I am wondering, especially now, in retrospect of Lockhart being cancelled (the expectation was games that would be crafted for Lockhart would be upgraded to 4K60fps experiences en masse on Scarlette) some time in the past.
I have honestly felt that MS (and Sony) peddle their koolaid to sell their product which do not always play out as advertised in the long run.
To your knowledge, has MS mandated 4K60fps for all the games that are to grace Scarlette?
In the video you stressed about how those performance metrics will be prevalent on that system and I am wondering, especially now, in retrospect of Lockhart being cancelled (the expectation was games that would be crafted for Lockhart would be upgraded to 4K60fps experiences en masse on Scarlette) some time in the past.
I have honestly felt that MS (and Sony) peddle their koolaid to sell their product which do not always play out as advertised in the long run.
No hard feelings, I don't doubt that your intentions are sincere, and you got a good point.
Jesus, I can't believe you're actually trying to make a thing out of this.
There's nothing dumb about it, it's stating a simple fact that if you're unaware of something to be false then to you it's going to be true. And therefore if you pass information on to other people completely under the impression of it being correct and up to date, it doesn't mean you're a liar who purposefully posted fake information. That was the original argument I was replying to.
Obviously if you extract away all the context of what we were originally taking about then you are correct about the information always being wrong, but other than wanting to desperately find an excuse to post a tired old meme, I'm not sure why you'd be bothered to do that since nobody was even arguing about that.
In my post that you originally responded to I used the words 'It was false information to people' and 'It was not false information to people'. It turns out the words 'to people' actually add quite a bit of context and meaning to what I said and they certainly do not make my post incorrect or confusing. They shouldn't anyway...
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So to clarify. What Nibel said doesn't count as verification in the traditional sense. Sometimes people have access to a certain piece of information and we will look to verify it. That doesn't mean the individual themselves is verified for things they post in the future. If that is the case we would note it.
What did you hear about the timeframe when the decision was made to put Lockhart on hold / being cancelled?
Insider on this forum say it already happend last year during the time you first broke news about the Lockhart and Anaconda codenames for the 2 SKU console strategy Phil Spencer hinted at E32018.
To disprove one's info, is to make your info public. It wasn't worth revealing at that time. It's not hard to understand. Blame the people that made Lockhart out to be some sort savior. If you want to discuss a rumor to death, that's your own choice. No one has to correct you unless that person chooses to
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why the fuck would plans be scaled back, it makes no sense, take off your sony glasses.
You forget the HDD on the Scarlett. MS said officially on their E3 trailer that there will be a SSD and a HDD
Lock being canned was last year, the info you had were outdated or behind schedule?
I'm surprised you aren't using the (imo quite compelling) idea of a 320 bit (10 chip, 3-4-3) memory configuration on the Scarlett. Don't think much of it?
The topic wasn't ever about my person but about a simple two SKU illustration though. This piece is what I verified with an administrator equal to you. That's it. Not more, not less. It's obsolete now anyway though, just to add that. I know -my person- isn't verified and that wasn't ever my intention either.
I have a question to you though. If you knew about the 2 SKU strategy being put aside for so long already, why didn't you debunk all the media reports posts earlier? Why exactly the day Brad made an article about it? Honest question.
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Yo, chill. The reason they're possibly scaling it back is because Anaconda is now not part of a 2 SKU combination of machines. To put it succinctly, it's probably being pared back from a 499 machine to a 399 machine, or something similar.
Good to hear. This is how I felt about weak Anaconda rumors. Bright side I would grow up to be Conan.
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