Ok, so what's your point? Why does it matter that streaming is niche?
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Ok, so what's your point? Why does it matter that streaming is niche?
People replied to me, I replied to them? It's how discussion boards work? You can ignore if you wish.
Ya don't say.
Man you have edited multiple post multiple times, it's hard to keep up with that. We're not disagreeing I never said streaming wouldn't be a niche, all I said and look at my first post was that these companies have market research teams. They know who their demographic is. Y'all need to stop with these snarky comments all the time, learn how to talk to people.
And it's looking like Xcloud is going to check both boxes..
I mean, most PC games are just console versions with asset fidelity and effects cranked up where possible, exactly because that's the easiest path, to scale up. That's exactly what was going to happen with Ananconda, games designed for Lockhart but with higher fidelity assets and effects - i.e. the exact same scenario with One S and One X. Meanwhile, Sony first party would be around with games designed from the ground up for the PS5, doing shit virtually impossible to port down to Lockhart-level hardware.
It was going to look bad, man. And then, there's the third party side to this.
And I stated that doesn't mean they will be successful, I can give hundreds of examples...Ms thought they knew their audience with Xbox one, So you are basically going back to "Google knows what it is doing". If only it were that simple.. Having market research is all fine and good...doesn;t guarantee success. There is a long list of failedd google products they did market research for,.
No need to get offended. I was trying to...you know discuss. Earlier you made it sound like being a niche product wasn't ideal and because a product was niche it had a higher chance of failing. Apparently I misread your comments and I apologize.
And there goes even more thousands of posts in these threads arguing how much of a great strategy 2 SKUs would've been down the drain.
Now I'm wondering if maybe my external drive has anything to do with it. Not sure what else it could be. Even when I google boot times, cold/rest mode times are same.
We're did I say they were going to be successful? Where? Where? Saying something might not fail isn't the same as saying something is successful. One would say they could find their niche....
More like confident.
Anaconda is powerful enough with decent price :)
Ok then whats the point of saying "They have market research teams"? So does every company....that doesn;t say anything really. It sounded to me like you were saying that as a means to say "They know what they are doing ". Like I said already, companies falter all the time with market research in tow. If that's not what you means then ok, good I guess?
Part of people saying it was a great strategy were thinking MS system would have been stronger\much stronger than Sony .
Well we all know how that went the last few days .
To me it was never a good idea because of many factors and brad talk about one which was more work for devs .
But I wasn't, all I was saying is that there is a potential market for streaming more than just PSnow. I don't think they are shooting for the stars because they are in America and know about the infrastructure issues, hell they even tried to fix it at one point.
Here is my post about it:
I share that sentiment 100%
The second Tweet.
But that other thread said Xbox brand was bigger WW lol. Even MS knows that's not the case.
Problem is it's not that easy....there is only so much Ms can do, they both get parts from the same sources. It's not that easy to have a powerful/cheaper machine. Ms does not control what Sony does.
More valuable.
Always depends what metric you use when determining "bigger".
And even valuable could easily argued against. Maybe they included Minecraft in "Xbox"?
playstation network (alone) in 2018 generated $12.5B in revenue.
Yes..... PSNow is a niche.
And I don't think it will fail. Or streaming in general as a niche will fail. I just think people need to dial down their expectations. Especially of how they measure success when it comes to streaming.
That would most likely be the case. Also, could you clarify what exactly you searched on google because I can not find figures on boot times for Pro with 960 evo (both internally and externally).
I think it was canned a long time ago so it makes you wonder how for months this idea has even gathered so much momentum!?
I really love the fact that when we heard the rumor about the two SKU strategy from Microsoft some thought that this is a brilliant idea.
Now that we have the rumor that Microsoft cancelled/changed this two SKU the same persons think that this is a brilliant idea.
PS: Some = Industry "insiders/experts", not simple users of this forum.
Now that we have the rumor that Microsoft cancelled/changed this two SKU the same persons think that this is a brilliant idea.
PS: Some = Industry "insiders/experts", not simple users of this forum.
NO NO NO! IT WAS CANNED AFTER THE WIRED ARTICLE!!1!! KING CERNEY SPOOKED BABY SPENCER!!!11!1!!
(You are 1000% correct.)
Perhaps they're just investing in order to try and seed a new market opportunity and try to create leadership in that space so they are able to take advantage of that market grows
Same with Sony and VR really
Name names, or your post is pointless fuel to the fan-manbaby wars.
I'm so tired of this insider nonsense about xbox consoles. Its like they are doing 180 every month or so
I wasn't saying PS Now isn't niche. My point was that niche services can still provide a nice revenue.
Ok?
No that's exactly what they are doing, or at least trying to do. I really hope we have a new company to shake things up even more, or offer better/more ways to play.
If you follow this thread since the beginning, you will know who. No need to call out names.
Because the fact MS aims to be stronger doesnt stop the sony aiming to he stronger too? Its not that hard
You are thinking the opposite way. If Lockhart existed, Anaconda would be stronger than the PS5 for sure. But now they have to compete directly with PS5 which means they can't go crazy with price. It's gotta be $399 so they have to cut shit.
Maybe it' a recent decision. Lead architect of Scarlett leave ms to intel, and specs are locked way before launch date. Now ms can only work on a strict number of hardware factors (clock of component, amount of memory ecc), but not on the core architecture
I haven't been following this thread because a lots of you are crazy....that's why the mods gave y'all a pit to fight in.
So devkits went out, devs told Microsoft they would be focusing on the low end and scaling up to the high end and Microsoft decided to kill off Lockhart? Hmm, this is just me talking out loud here, but is there a chance this is in any way related to the departure of Scarlett's head architect as well if MS wasn't pleased at having to ditch all the work they'd put into Lockhart? I know nothing about the circumstances of this persons departure, I'm just pondering because of the timelines here.
User warned: Inflammatory posting.
You probably have very little knowledge about tech,architecture and gpu in general but going be the infos we have now, RDNA ≠ GCN. Which would basically mean 8TF could be equal to 11-12TF Vega in gaming and similiar to gtx 2070 +lot of console optimization.
Maybe(very likely) you're PC elitist so i put it in other way -that 8tf NAVI is going to be more powerful than what 90% of gamers are using in their gaming PC.
Funniest thing is that PC players were mocking 6 years ago about what "crappy" PS4 GPU will be and yet the best graphics 6 years later is still on console :)
Edit:lol im reported. How is that Inflammatory posting..
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He does know, but he was hoping for unreasonable numbers in the past.
I dont think its related in any way. He probably finished his job and went to a better place. And its not like he was working on it alone
Make sense, but if the cancellation of lockhart is too recent to impact scarlett hardware, the only thing that ms can' do is to avoid a price higher that ps5, or set this even lower. In any case it will reflect in some kind of money loss to ms.
im not a pc fanboy lol. ive been banned for making fun of pc gamers' infatuation with resolutions. but then again, ive been banned for upsetting sony, ms and nintendo fans so i dont know what i am.
i guess im just a disillusioned 12 tflops fanboy coming to terms with the realization that we will end up with 8-9 tflops gpu. dont mind me.
He was hoping for 12 tf gcn level performance and he will get but he is sad that on paper it will be only 8.5tf navi ;d
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