This would explain a lot about the change in tone with MS's messaging regarding their new console.
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This would explain a lot about the change in tone with MS's messaging regarding their new console.
Kayle, they need to be actual journalists too - as in its their full time job & they get paid for it.
Not some weeb neck beard with 50 subs on their YT channel & who cracked 10 viewers on their last Twitch stream of CD3.
Not some weeb neck beard with 50 subs on their YT channel & who cracked 10 viewers on their last Twitch stream of CD3.
i dont think that both company are completely blind to what the other is doing. for this reason my point of view differ
Well said, if you were spinningbirdkick the PlayStation brigade would be touting free opinions & denouncing name calling
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the entire thread...was on the same line....until this new tweet...now im crazy and i toke a fanboy pill for the last months and they always knew everything
I asked the question not long ago, apparently he was legit (though never carried the verified tag so was cautious).
Maybe because NDA and devkits are still in test phase. Of course nobody would say which are those developers
I'm sorry but this is objectively wrong. Just because he personally has not heard a contradiction its true? That has no basis in reality.
Oh no I wasn't questioning kobrille or hmqgg, but Ainsley Bowden.
Well if there are so much contradicting "insider" rumors, they have to be wrong.
Both can't be true. And running in circles again and again does not make much sense.
So just wait for something material.
Ans so far NOTHING material leaked from any proclaimed "insider" or rumor.
You guys are way to attached to this stuff.
Both can't be true. And running in circles again and again does not make much sense.
So just wait for something material.
Ans so far NOTHING material leaked from any proclaimed "insider" or rumor.
You guys are way to attached to this stuff.
Because someone legit introduced new information to the conversation. Regardless of the previous narrative, it's now changed because Matt is a more credible source than we had previously and this is the latest info we should be basing the discussion on.
I wondered why I couldn't quote Kayle I guess I know the answer now.
Anyway after trying gamepass on PC I'll probably be buying a new gaming PC soon after these console launch + a PS5 for exclusives. Seems to me it's going to be the best of both worlds!
Anyway after trying gamepass on PC I'll probably be buying a new gaming PC soon after these console launch + a PS5 for exclusives. Seems to me it's going to be the best of both worlds!
MS have gone from beating their chests about how important power is, and how their new console will aim to be the most powerful to downplaying power to a degree.
There has been a huge shift in tone with the Scarlett reveal and stuff Xbox people are saying when we compare it to last year.
EG even lined it right up for Booty - asked him what would make Scarlett better than PS5. His answer, which talked about everything BUT relative performance, is a complete 180 to what they were saying a year ago when they were touting the importance of power with the X and how they were aiming to set the performance benchmark with Scarlett.
Maybe they don't know if they're more powerful than PS5, which I find unlikely as dev kits have to be out in the wild by this point. But if they are more powerful and know they are then the 180 in the messaging doesn't make any sense to me. They would be beating us over the head with it like they did with the X and when they announced their intentions with next gen. The fact they are doing the opposite might be quite telling.
those sources are great and all with their "insider" sources...but here is some reality...
After the PS5 "reveal" we get these articles using words like "significantly" and "way more" powerful than the PS5. But now, that MS has actually taken the cover off the overall hardware design. We are in a situation where we know that both consoles are EXCEPTIONALLY similar in design. There is absolutely ZERO chance that MS used the lower power console as the basis of this reveal. We also know that the price for these consoles will be relatively similar. These realities alone, should cast some doubt on the "insiders" claiming how the Xbox was going to blow the PS5 out of the water...its just not a reality.
It might end up being more powerful, but, "significantly?" thats highly questionable now.
Dang - permaban too!
Yeah, I can see me getting a new PC next gen, I literally use my X as a UHD player so makes sense especially as there will be no Xbox console exclusives moving forward...having said that, PCs are still not quite as user friendly...
Devkits don't tell the whole story this far out. What does is that Microsoft realizes that Sony is most likely hitting the same pricepoint as them. That means you can't for certain claim to be most powerful this far out. Microsoft isn't gonna use their "Infinite Warchest" to help with this as fanboys so desperately think MS can do.
Oh yeah, but I'd still argue claims like that which are intentionally vague as to obfuscate the real factual details should be dismissed out of hand by everyone from the outset.
Frankly its pretty disappointing that MS would resort to such BS claims. If they intended to state the CPU increase, be specific and deal with that. Or talk about how devkits perform on a realworld XB1S game demo (i.e. like Sony did with Spiderman) if the TFLOPs numbers aren't flattering because a direct comparison with GCN hardware is misleading.
My issue with MS often is they treat gamers like idiots with details like this. Either be honest and specific enough to convey your message in a truthful way or hold info back until you've figured out how to do so.
Anyway, that's by the by.
Usman claimed the new 5700 cards were Navi 12, when in fact they are confirmed by AMD to be Navi 10.
So essentially your statement is a truism and not really saying anything?
I mean, of course MS or Sony won't take the RX5700 or RX5700xt chips "as is" because they are custom chips ans not discrete desktop GPU parts. So your entire premise is flawed which undermines the point of what you're trying to convey. In which, case i'd argue your statement is only logically consistent, not "100% valid" or accurate as you state.
As to the hardware RT, there really isn't anything to suggest MS or Sony can't jointly develop their own custom GFX IP blocks for accelerating some part of the RT algorithm.
Tbh, "RT" is used so broadly in the industry (covering things like Voxel Cone Tracing and SDF Raytracing) that Sony's/MS's approaches to HW acceleration could look very different to RTX.
I believe chris 1515 has discussed previously about Sony's employee's historical photon mapping patents and work with RT using K-D Trees as opposed to BVH.
There are many ways to skin a cat, and Sony and MS only need to come up with the high level conceptual ideas of what they want to accelerate in HW while AMD works to implement that in silicon - that's why it's called a collaboration.
This.
I'm still sticking with my vote for a 12 Tflops console and, more realistically, both aiming for at least 10 Vega Tflops. I don't actually expect to get either, but still very performant machines. Overall next gen will be less hobbled from the start compared to last gen and I'd happy with 4k CB and GoW4-like graphics with much more interactive and detailed levels. Add better lighting and I'm golden. I look at games on my base PS4, sorta wonder what we could've had with a better CPU and more GPU grunt, but actually they're almost perfectly fine already.
Next-gen will be great. I know it.
Era mods are Sony shills CONFIRMED!
I wonder if the alt-account will feature the same creative spelling. Amazing how a few people could shit this thread up for months on end before catching a ban.
Next-gen will be great. I know it.
Era mods are Sony shills CONFIRMED!
I wonder if the alt-account will feature the same creative spelling. Amazing how a few people could shit this thread up for months on end before catching a ban.
As much as I found TheTruthofKayle's rabid lack of objectivity annoying, he was still a decent guy.
Still the past few pages of the thread have been derailed by his posts in large part.
It's a shame to see him gone permanently though.
Still the past few pages of the thread have been derailed by his posts in large part.
It's a shame to see him gone permanently though.
Just to clarify. hmqgg was only verified for having access to Microsoft's GDC plans prior to the event and nothing else.
It's best to assume everything they post is based on that info or speculation. If they want to verify they have access to other information they can PM me.
Thanks for the clarification ZhugeEX.
This is good for everyone to keep in mind.
Very likely. MS went from thinking they would have a year extra to work on their tech than Sony and have a dual SKU with a cheap and cheerful Lockhart for the price sensitive market and Anaconda for performance and to claim the power crown to having Sony release at the same time and same price as Anaconda.
This explains both the change in tone and also the apparent dropping of Lockhart...
Apparent dropping of Lockhart? If PS5 and Anaconda are the same price, that makes Lockhart even more relevant.
It does no such thing. Three of those are just factors in die size. One of them is already in consoles. GDDR6 is marginally more expensive than GDDR5. SSD is the only potential cost driver there, and we have no idea what size they will use.
Yes, that's a more accurate number, but the performance is closer to 1.75X.
Also to keep in mind, the only time we saw chips was a CGI render, and we can't be sure it was Anaconda vs. Lockhart.
They aren't flogging a camera etc this time so i don't see that happening.
How you treat a verified insiders if they were caught up in a lie or in a denying something?
He's not going to confirm or deny anything unless he knows for sure, and even then he may not.
They most likely get warned to stop spreading lies, or get banned if they continue, unless they can prove without a doubt that they have actual verifiable sources.
He hasn't been caught in a lie lol, so far all his info has been correct.
By the way, did anyone else feel there was more to it when Lisa Su said that the chip in Scarlett is "co-engineered and custom developed" by Microsoft/AMD than just repeating what Spencer said on-stage at the keynote?
MS 'may' have a deeper collaboration with AMD than Sony.
Navi doesn't feature hardware accelerated ray tracing, it's something that is confirmed to come next year with a next generation architecture built on 7nm+. And it's confirmed Scarlett has that feature. So Microsoft pulling a significant feature like this from a yet-to-announced architecture could be what that "co-engineered" part refers to. That is if PS5 doesn't feature hardware accelerated ray tracing.
MS 'may' have a deeper collaboration with AMD than Sony.
Navi doesn't feature hardware accelerated ray tracing, it's something that is confirmed to come next year with a next generation architecture built on 7nm+. And it's confirmed Scarlett has that feature. So Microsoft pulling a significant feature like this from a yet-to-announced architecture could be what that "co-engineered" part refers to. That is if PS5 doesn't feature hardware accelerated ray tracing.
Yeah, i wouldn't rule anything out .
Scarlet is the codeword for the generation it doesn't all have to happen on day 1.
PS5 has HW RT, as confirmed by Matt.
Lisa read words on a slide provided by Microsoft. MS wants to craft their image and so does Sony. They have different approaches. Sony had more advanced GPUs in both the PS4 and PS4 Pro, despite the latter debuting a year earlier than Scorpio.
It's just PR bullshit. One of the mods here said both will have hardware RT, we'll see.
According to this post, he lied! Denying it later is also a lie.
I for one am shocked to see Kayle banned again on another site /s. Actually am surprised they survived this long.
To MS's credit they do provide deeper technical breakdown via hotchips conference.
Indeed it's why I was had issue with their push labelling jaguar cores as "custom CPU" for XB1/XBX. As where technically it's true the way they pushed to make it seem like it was fundamental changes to jaguar that would affect gaming performance when in reality the tweaks only relate to optimizing some things for the XB1's OS due to their hypervisor setup.
To MS's credit they do provide deeper technical breakdown via hotchips conference.
Yh they did it's a combined figure for the system. CPU,GPU,RAM,storage etc.
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