I don't think that both PS5 and Scarlett specs are final in the current states to start with so both are prone to change till release. Anything can happen till then.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
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I don't think that both PS5 and Scarlett specs are final in the current states to start with so both are prone to change till release. Anything can happen till then.
Why? I'm expecting a reveal from both MS and Sony between February and May with E3 being a launch title showcase and price announcement.
If MS are going with a premium console then i expect some rumblings before then, not from MS or Sony, i agree that will come later, i just doubt it will stay a secret if it's much better, or at least the idea the PS5 is stronger to stop.
Remember when people though Navi was Sony exclusive because they didn't understand how licensing/r&d worked?
That is indeed the point, yes. Neither is nailed down. Devs at best have "target specs" in a PC-like black box dev kit, which means little (beyond relative targets) for the actual final performance.
Anyone claiming a dev "told them" something about performance is likely also someone who'd tell you their uncle works for Nintendo.
wow..so he heard PS5 is more powerful straight from developers
I mean, the two seem like they'll be so nearly identical, that the only reason either one of them will even have different clocks at this point is either because 1) one of them has a customization that limits the clocks or 2) one of them is willing to eat more cost on lower yields.
too me the question is chip size. larger the chip, more raytracing hardware can be put on it, or same chip size, but one takes less cus for more rt hardware. might be the same tech in both, but there is some wigle room.
If this is true I can't slap my forehead enough. I noticed Phil didn't use the same "most powerful next gen console" language like he did last e3.
Devs are saying PS5 is more powerful than Scarlet. There you have it guys. Doesn't get more clearer than that.
I wonder what kind of devs: first party devs from both? third party devs doing multiplatform games on both? indies?
That would be very strange, especially after all those "reports" stating the exact opposite. I seriously hope it's not true, I would like it if both systems just end up being on par with each other, so that we can finally just all take it easy with this stuff.
If it turns out to be true MS really can't be pricing the Anaconda higher than PS5.
If it turns out to be true MS really can't be pricing the Anaconda higher than PS5.
I don't think there is a single person here that expected MS to reveal everything. Especially not a hard TF number. And if there is then you shouldn't take that person seriously anyways.
And funny enough, MS actually "revealed" more than sony. But this is why sony's "reveal was smart... because it makes it look like MS is just saying the same things they said. Hell, I literally said no one should expect anything more than talking heads making hyperbolic statements that doesn't really mean anything.
This would be very bad for ms, hope it's not true. Want to play the best console versions on Xbox :(
Could of fooled me, reading the last several pages.
And people are trying to mould phils words just to fit a narrative which calms there anxiety.
At E3 2018 + 19 Phil said its what "they" hope to achieve, yes his wording is more precise and less general this year, but ppl are trying really hard to make it something its not.
Maybe they are still confident that there system will be the most powerful, but just not risking boasting about being the power King, yet.
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At this point, I don't trust "journalists". Anyone know if this guy has a Sony bias?
It doesn't matter what console is more powerful since both will have same features including HW RT and SSD. I am just relived that Lockheart (being even weaker than Xbox One X...) was just a bad dream. No way could I believe something like that to hold an entire generation. Now we can expect next-gen to be in full glory.
After all those rumors and also Phil's own words it would be very disappointing indeed. I also want to stick with Xbox for the multiplatform games.
Now I just wonder how much more powerful PS5 will be if true, are we talking X and Pro differences? I don't like this.
It eats their own monsters (like Xbox One X) for breakfast.
Xbox One X was hyped as "it's a monster". at E3 2017.
IIRC at the end of the Xbox Scorpio E3 roll he said "this thing is a monster" or something like that, so I guess that's the tongue in cheek follow up.
This combined with the change of their language to "the most powerful console we've ever built"... Well, we'll see I guess.
At this point I never udnerstood the use of HBM. Ok 3D stacked memory but what for if it costs much more than GDDR?
Realistically either way I feel the difference is going to be small if you prefer to game on Xbox just do it
So just so I'm tracking; we're looking at one next-gen Xbox SKU right now? Not two?
Or is that still up in the air?
Or is that still up in the air?
Oh shit, you do have a good point there. Phil didn't mention two Xbox consoles at all huh. He only spoke of one.
"AMD and Microsoft have co-designed and co-engineered a custom, high performance AMD SoC to power Project Scarlett to deliver an incredible gaming experience, including the next-generation of performance, graphics, lighting, visuals, and audio immersion. This processor builds upon the significant innovation of the AMD Ryzen™ "Zen 2" CPU core and a "Navi" GPU based on next-generation Radeon™ RDNA gaming architecture including hardware-accelerated raytracing."
No developer has final specs. So who'd he hear it from I wonder... :thinkingemoji:
$499.
I don't expect a huge bump in RAM though. Certainly not 20/24GB.
I mean, is it so bad playing the best console version on PS5? I don't understand this logic.
There were never reports saying MS was stronger.
It was always MS aiming to be and then paste bin leaks were also back and forward .
Truth is we won't fully know until next year with final dev kits \specs.
Surely the executive editor of the world's largest gaming magazine on the floor at E3 has to count for more than the random ass pastebins that have been powering this thread for the past year?
This.
All this discussion about which is the more powerful console is pointless because the design specifications are still up in the air. Clock speeds, core counts, RAM numbers, etc, are all likely still subject to change.
Sony and Microsoft aren't giving detailed specifics because they don't want to show their hand and have the other one up them. Being able to market your next console as "the most powerful next-gen console" is persuasive branding, and both Sony and Microsoft want to be able to claim the crown. Committing to specifics now gives your competitor plenty of time to adjust their specs to create something more powerful.
Things can change. They're still tweaking the hardware.
I don't think so. He was at Geoff youtube show and said he liked the Xbox conference.
I'd say we'll have definitive wording on this by AMD's event tomorrow.
If you assume they didn't customize it in.
That's true. Hell I actually still stuck with Xbox even when the resolution differences at one point were 720p versus 1080p. But I can't do that anymore. But no way in hell are we going to see a repeat of that.
I kinda hate the insider culture. I think anyone who was on the old forum experienced the "Golden age" and then the "Dark age" of insider worship culture.
It always starts nice and legit, then the insiders love the fame and start making shit up. And it spirals to some insane shit + biases. I still remember the days where each insider was revealed to be a fanboy, shill, or liar
It always starts nice and legit, then the insiders love the fame and start making shit up. And it spirals to some insane shit + biases. I still remember the days where each insider was revealed to be a fanboy, shill, or liar
Almost the same
You have said this twice now. What did you do at the beginning of this generation? Whatever it was you can just do it again if PS5 is more powerful.
As opposed to all the Xbox biased insiders like Klobrille, Sams and Corden?
You have said this twice now. What did you do at the beginning of this generation? Whatever it was you can just do it again if PS5 is more powerful.
As opposed to all the Xbox biased insiders like Klobrille, Sams and Corden?
The point was that HBM is expensive, they're not going to slap it in over GDDR for "free". It would increase the cost of the PS5 many fold.
I tried to tell yall. Sony never skimps out on hardware. every situation where MS came out on top was ONLY after releasing a year later, when pitted against each other in the same time frame only has Sony proven to release more powerful hardware. PS5 being more powerful than scarlet is actually more expected than shocking.
Judging by the size of the scarlett SoC (about as big as the 1Xs) I expect it to be at least Navi 5700 (vega 64) power level.
It was a joke. The Project Scorpio reveal trailer Kareem said at the end "It's a monster". This video, Kareem was at the end and smiled and said "it eats monsters for breakfast". It was just a play on what he said in the Scorpio tease, meaning that Scarlet is a lot more powerful than Scorpio and that Scorpio was a Monster and Scarlet is way more powerful and eats Monsters (Scorpio) for breakfast.
You can tell Kareem was having fun with it in his facial animation and his smirk when he said it. I thought it was pretty funny, but you have to have seen the Scorpio reveal or remember it to get it.
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