He mentions he doesn't think MS has locked down the numbers.
He specifically states Navi.
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He mentions he doesn't think MS has locked down the numbers.
I dunno about 672 GB's, 384 bit bus hasn't been done in a Console yet. then again Anaconda could be $599 for all we know.
what do you mean? this falls exactly in line with 11.1TF? 11.1TF > 10.7TF stadia in raw performance, and when you add in the efficiency of navi this will perform way above 2x faster than an Xbox One X. this is what they described.
Trust me, it's not conservative. The 2x multiplier would only apply to the GPU and RAM. The CPU will get a 4x multiple at least, and the storage speed? Probably at least 35x.
The Xbox One X is already 6TF.
The idea that the PS5 will only be have 1/3rd more flops than the X is clearly ludicrous.
Both Anaconda and PS5 will not be 8TF. Not a chance. I will eat my hat.
after the newest thurrot article i am fairly convinced in my previous prediction of 11TF range for both.
So amped for a console geneeation that can finally be good enough to play a 4x game.
Imagine the possibilities.
Imagine the possibilities.
No it doesn't. It assumes the relation then will be the same as the relation now, since a console is subject to the same constrictions.
I'm not saying I've proved anything however, I'm just saying that the TFLOPs talk I see here seems to come from a Moore's law which doesn't hold anymore. The guesses on 10-12 TFLOPS imply that the best GPU on the consumer market currently - at $1200 - will go in to a console for $499 by next year. We didn't see anything close to that with the PS4, and I'm hence questioning whether it's realistic with the PS5.
You can get a Vega 64 right now for $399.
12 Tflops seems very unlikely right now though based on everything we know about Navi. Even 11 Tflops seems stretching it.
Surely it's the opposite? The fact that I can read and have seen a few people state the next Xbox is using Vega confirms the fact that I can read, surely?
The best consumer GPU on the market does not have the highest TFLOPS by quite some margin.
That doesn't mean the product is dead. It just means that AMD isn't currently planning to transfer the rights to use Zen 2 in future designs. Their joint venture can continue to use the Zen cores that were licensed in current and future designs, though.
This does nothing to rectify the issues I pointed out and instead doubles down on the misconceptions and errant logic paths.
So basically you think that they will not have the most powerful but say they have?))
Unless they start making Lockhart only games, I don't see the difference being massive. MS have to to Xbox one and have Lockhart as the baseline for most games to see the improvements you mentioned. Faster loading sure. More stable framerates, for certain but I don't think massive LOD changes or AI will be a thing.
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Nah. I think they will have the most powerful console. Its just that they will be vague because they still dont know whats Sony doing. )))))
Was told they are expected to talk in multiple % terms of performance gains, IE 2x,3x,4x,
So XB1S - 4x performance for Lockhart, 2x of XB1X for Anaconda.
This was hard info to lock down mostly becuase I dont think Microsoft fully knows yet, they just started getting production samples from AMD and performance output can vary widely right now with simple things like adjustments to clock speeds etc. Among those talked to, who absolutely would know this information, these performance figures were the consuses of the group.
As long as the Lockhart aint 4TF im dandy, lol.
Let's just put those silly rumors to rest, lockharts looking really good here.
confirms what i thought, this accounts the navi efficiency gains.
if you read between the lines this is pretty much what is said here, they account for navi efficiency gains here which are 25% faster than Vrga GPU on the same TF count.
that means that: 1.3 * 4 = 5.2TF on vega ~ 4.2TF on navi.
The sole reason for Anaconda to exist is high performance.
It is a key marketing pillar for Xbox's next generation strategy.
MS will finally announce a higher TF number than the PS5. They can't afford not to. They will check down the back of the sofa for lost TF, throw money at the problem and do whatever else necessary to deliver a higher TF number. With MS projecting that Anaconda will take 30% of total Xbox sales, it's not their mass market platform. I'm sure they can and will eat some losses if necessary to deliver what they have promised. They cannot afford not to.
Although I expect real world performance of Anaconda to be bested by the PS5's set up.
So whole performance not only gpu ? Then lockhart with zen2 is only 4x faster than basic xones with jaguar ?
Personally, put Spinning Bird Kick on ignore.
Who else states that it's using Vega, other than just speculating on why?
The 64 CUs for Anaconda / 56 CUs for Lockhart is what I expect because it will be cheaper than producing 2 different APUs. I think they probably intend to sell maybe (numbers from my ass) 30% of Anaconda and 70% of Lockhart at launch. They could use a good part of the produced chips with that strategy. The ones that won the lottery with 64 functionnal CUs will be for Anaconda and the others (with min 56 CUs) will be for Lockhart.
It's basically AMD strategy for their GPUs. What would Microsoft do of their APUs with 56 <= Cus < 64 ? That's going to be the majority of the APUs manufactured by TSMC, at least the first years. So they need to sell them... as Lockhart.
I think this Lockhart 1080p tale (along with the 11.1 Tflops tale) could actually be some misinformation from Microsoft. They already market the XBX as a 'native uncompressed pixels 4K machine'. I think Lockhart is intended to be their version of PS4 for next gen. Powerful, enough for 4K60fps thanks to the CPU (Anaconda will have the bells and whistles like RT) and easy to develop for. But Lockhart, mark my words, is going to be a powerful machine on its own, at around 9-10 Tlops. You were talking about misinformation campaign from MS, well, you were maybe right and everybody bought it.
Just my 2 cents...
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Todd Howard recently in a interview with IGN said neither MS or Sony will make a bad move at the starting line of next gen, something along those lines. He specifically mentioned how he's very excited about Sony's solution for loading/streaming and that their games will greatly benefit from it.
As a Xbox first person, so to speak, I really hope MS will give some clarity on this soon because if Sony's "solution" can really eliminate loading times or at least reduce them significantly, but MS is stuck with loading times... that would be really bad. Or is this solution more or less PR talk by Sony?
As a Xbox first person, so to speak, I really hope MS will give some clarity on this soon because if Sony's "solution" can really eliminate loading times or at least reduce them significantly, but MS is stuck with loading times... that would be really bad. Or is this solution more or less PR talk by Sony?
Btw do we have any idea what other benefits Navi has over Vega apart from the 1.25 increase, or do we have to wait till this Monday during the conference?
It's definitely not a pr talk by Sony .we have thread on this site about all the patents related to their ssd solution which is not like any SSD on the market at the moment .some one can put u toward that thread hopefully
Interesting. I'm a little surprised by this as with One X Microsoft did give a solid number (6TF) that was almost exactly met at launch in a similar time frame.
I suspect they have a solid idea of their specs and what they can/can't do with adjustments but with Sony not telling theirs (no documents leaking) they don't want to say yet.
Can't blame them for that, though.
That was my thought. If they don't re-iterate that they'll "set the benchmark", or be "most powerful/performance leader", then they're probably not sure anymore.
Hmmm, I see. Well I hope MS has their own thing for that too then because it's gonna be hard to justify for myself getting all the multiplats again on the next Xbox if it's coping with worse loading times.
That's only because the pro dev kits and powerpoint slides with specs were leaked well before Microsoft's e3 conference.
Sony has been very tight lipped so far.
I can't see them not bringing raytracing when the competition has already mentioned that they will be using it, correct me if I'm wrong. It would be great if they can actually show Halo with raytracing and then also to compare with raytracing disabled.
There's just no way that Sony will offer raytracing, plus also much shorter loading times while Xbox doesn't offer raytracing and copes with significantly longer loading. I just can't see that happening. Because even if they might end up with the more TF, that won't matter all that much compared to that.
Also, why wouldn't Xbox support it? Aren't they likely to be using very similar hardware?
the real reason behind them not revealing the TF number is because PS5 has yet to leak. with scorpio, ps4pro specs leaked and it was set to launch only a few months after so sony couldnt do anything about it anymore.
Wouldn't they have to make lockhart and anaconda only games? Maybe not right Away because of cross gen games but won't they eventually?
If they expect 4x the One performance at this point, how far beyond that can they get it, really? 10%, maybe 20%. So I'd expect Lockhart to be between 4TF to, maybe, 5TF. Similarly, for Ananconda, something like 9.6 to 11.5TF, tops. All numbers in Navi FLOPs, of course.
We're over a year from launch and neither team likely has final silicon. MS was adjusting Xbox One clocks up to months before launch.
The faster they do it, the better. As soon as the nextgen systems come out, I personally think the last gen should be wrapped up, since its been extended by mid-refresh systems already now.
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