If the theories are to be believed
Series S is 1080-2k gaming @ 60 frames
series X is 4K @ 60 frames with the opportunity to go 1080 or 2k@ 120 frames.
There could be a $200 value gap there.
Series X won't be lower than 499 though imo
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Series S is 1080-2k gaming @ 60 frames
series X is 4K @ 60 frames with the opportunity to go 1080 or 2k@ 120 frames.
There could be a $200 value gap there.
Series X won't be lower than 499 though imo
That's not how it works though. MS can do this for first party games by planning ahead, but for 3rd party, there's no such magic.
I was agreeing with you while answering the other guy :)
I'm gonna be that guy here because i've been out of the loop for a few weeks...but where are we at with the rumors? and how confident are we in the current rumors?....
I know we had been on a PS5 > Series X (are we really rolling with SeX on this one? I'll admit, its an upgrade from Xbone lol)...then last I remember there were some rumblings of the X having a decently more powerful GPU, but nothing crazy...Then I think I saw maybe the X is slightly more powerful, but the PS5 might have some faster memory and faster SSD performance?...but now I'm seeing we've got people saying the PS5 also has "more flops?"
Shit me...never take breaks from era...
I know we had been on a PS5 > Series X (are we really rolling with SeX on this one? I'll admit, its an upgrade from Xbone lol)...then last I remember there were some rumblings of the X having a decently more powerful GPU, but nothing crazy...Then I think I saw maybe the X is slightly more powerful, but the PS5 might have some faster memory and faster SSD performance?...but now I'm seeing we've got people saying the PS5 also has "more flops?"
Shit me...never take breaks from era...
Well we know one thing for certain.
And that's that nobody here knows anything for certain.
Yep, it's all a bit Donald Rumsfeld with all the different knowns and unknowns.
Because it's not a race to the bottom. You could make the same argument for incremental downgrades until you're back at the power of the Pro and X.
Yes, 20% is not insignificant, it could mean 10% extra fps, higher visual settings or better resolution.
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I just hope the Series S rumors aren't true
Xbox SS is a real bad idea
Thanks!
Ah... people would get pretty frustrated. There absolutely would be someone trying to figure out what happened, and often times there would be repercussions of some sort. Most of the stories that I can recall, the actual way the leaks happened have so many twists-and-turns it's never quite as straightforward as it seems. Some really crazy stories that i could never share. But yeah generally they were taken pretty seriously.
It's funny because if I could get details on just about anything regarding the next-gen consoles, the story behind the back of the XSX photo would be the one question I could ask. I have not seen a takehome kit in person so I don't know if that was real or not - but it looked real to me and I'd love to hear the story. I have to believe someone got busted for that one if it was real.
NDA's are easier to keep then you would think for the people who actually have access to the information. Most of the time people just aren't interested in losing their job for a few minutes of internet fame.
Without any kind of specifics, are controlled leaks a real thing in the game industry?
The whole sandwich approach is interesting. That is what the pricepoint people believe for that to happen. XBX at 500, PS5 400, Lockhart 300. The thing is that the cost to manufacture is not as great as the price difference in XBX and Lockhart. If XBX were to be believed to be selling at under cost, then the amount of money that you are giving away to sell Lockhart at $200 less would be HUGE. Percentage wise, looking like OG PS3.
This is where the sandwich strategy completely backfires.
Phison controller is PCI 3.0x4 controller. It just has limits on reads of 3.5 GB/s, and writes of 2.2 GB/s
Why does everyone assume this was controlled? I remember being in that thread back then watching everything unfold.
I can't speak for "the game industry" but I can tell you that in my time at EA and at Xbox in Marketing, it never happened. It honestly makes no sense from a PR perspective, because any information you have would be much more valuable to use as an exclusive story with an outlet.
Maybe it happens at other companies, I can't say. But not on anything I've ever worked with.
And the real story with ntkrnl is quite unbelievable.
This is a good solid question that unfortunately I can't thoroughly answer without disclosing way more than I should. I'm also not up to speed on the latest BOM for the current consoles (for obvious reasons). I will say, generally speaking, that people place a lot more emphasis on console loss then they should, primarily because they focus on launch pricing vs. overall pricing.
I'm not exaggerating when I say I've watched this scene 100s of times over the years and I STILL get chills when Hot Rod sees the hole in the shuttle and starts firing. I don't even know what's so good about it, but it gets me every time. So good.
How much they are trading for really doesn't mean anything, many of these companies end up splitting the shares. Without splitting the stock Apple would be trading for over $3000/share. Some believe that their stocks are more accessible at lower values so in turn they split them to keep the price low. This just means that if someone owned One $100 share and it gets split at 2:1 then they end up with 2 $50 shares.
Over the history of companies Sony has had one share split and MS has had 9.
So share prices mean absolutely 0 for us unless they seriously fall where a company is forced to restructure and sell off divisions. Luckily for now PlayStation and Xbox seem positioned well and important to their owners, Stadia has failed to disrupt them.
Literally every insider and leak: it's 12TF
Forum guy: so it's obviously 9.x TF
Oh man, what a tease.
Holy shit....I've always wanted to hear this.
Really thought Jason would do an expose about it at some point but it never came to be...
Intrigued.
Cboat was great. Too bad he made something up for his last truthfact
Why is Sony website hosting this ps5 controller image?
The PS5 ARG begins
Agreed on that then. But then why do you think the price of one piece of hardware tells us the price of a different one, made for a different market?
Neither of those cards was available at the time of the 360 launch. And the X1900 XT initially retailed for $550, not $250.
I'm curious what part of the whitepaper you think you're referring to. Where exactly does it say that Navi10 can't have more than 40CU? (Though this is tangential, I'd like to know what you're interpreting that way.)
You're very confused. He's literally asking for Sony to be more competitive.
As others have mentioned, CUs in Navi architecture are much larger than CUs in GCN. In addition, there's more silicon used on caches and other support hardware. On the other hand, it's unlikely either platform will use the full-size Zen2 version. The Flute leak tells us PS5 is using a version with cutdown cache, right around 50mm^2. This and other sizing math is in my threadmarked post.
Here's the main studios, trying to generally match sizes.
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343i Naughty Dog/ICE
The Coalition Guerrilla Games
The Initiative Sony Santa Monica
Playground Polyphony Digital
Playground 2 Bend
Rare Japan Studio
Obsidian Insomniac Games
Turn 10 Sucker Punch
Ninja Theory Sony San Diego
inXile London Studio
Mojang
DoubleFine Media Molecule
Undead Labs
Compulsion PixelOpus
Typically non-console:
World's Edge ForwardWorksThough it's a bit far afield for this thread, I wonder what effect Brexit will have on Microsoft's costs. A considerable amount their development operates out of the UK (whereas Sony now only have two of their smallest studios there).
Anything lower makes the idea less viable. Everything we've heard is that Lockhart (even in its more powerful possible incarnations) will be considerably lower-powered than XSX. And I think everyone agrees PS5 might end up lower-powered than XSX too, but not by nearly as much. So if there's only a $100 gap between the two Microsoft machines, here are the possible scenarios:
XSX - $500, very powerful
PS5 - $400, powerful
XSS - $400, weak
XSX - $500, very powerful
PS5 - $500, quite powerful
XSS - $400, weak
You could also move the MSRPs in each set down $100, but the gaps would remain the same. So either Lockhart is either the same price as PS5 but weaker (a non-starter), or else it's slightly cheaper than PS5 but much weaker.
Why do some games hit 120fps or more on PC hardware? (This isn't a non sequitur.)
This is a false narrative too, you are comparing proportional segments of $1200 Billion company and $90 Billion company. Of course that even if PS and Xbox made exactly same amount of money to their companies xbox percentage to overall company would be significantly lower.
You are forgetting of the corporate greed, every penny is important to them not like either would treat profits as less important than the other.
One could also argue that since Sony is so reliant on PS that it's unstable company and it's future depends on each small decision they make and that they wouldn't be willing to take any risks keeping all things safe. We all know no risk no rewards.
For MS only Office and Azure account for higher percentage than Xbox which accounts for like 11% revenue and Windows accounts for 9%, Bing 7%, Surface 5%, does that mean that MS really don't care about Windows, Surface, Bing or any other of many divisions making less money for them which is essentially half of their company.
Why is Sony website hosting this ps5 controller image?
Is this real?
Why is Sony website hosting this ps5 controller image?
Placeholder joke.
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