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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
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Speaking of The Witcher 3, I recall that it was announced a couple of weeks ahead of the PS Meeting in February 2013. It was announced via Gameinformer for "next-gen consoles and PC", so hopefully we start seeing next-gen games get announced if the console reveals aren't happening yet.
I'm not worried at all, personally my expectations for the PS5 is somewhere between a 5700 and 5700XT with a bunch of added features bolted on.
With that in mind I can see between mid 8Tflops and low 9Tflops for PS5.
I still think the XSX is sub 10 RDNA Tflops but we will see for sure soon.
Well, we estimated the die size of the X to be 380-400nm. If the 5700xt is 250mm2 and the zen 2 CPU is around 50mm2 (maybe smaller depending on the cuts to cache) so we still have 80mm2 -100mm2 to work with. Memory controller isn't that big so I'm going to assume many more CUs.
I'll take my stab at it. I envision a chiplet configuration with a small bank of HBM directly on the interposer.
The specific configuration can be found here:
Nvidia's next GPU after Ampere, Codenamed Hopper is a MCM GPU too.
Indeed they did crazy stuff. Wasn't it several steps until it was one chip. First 2 chips, then MCM and then single chip? I do not remember.Having memory stacked on top of the GPU die is definielty future stuff.
But just having a simple MCM APU with a CPU-Chiplet connected to the GPU which has the Memory-Controllers and then talking to GDDR6 would be relatively easy to do.
The Xbox 360 followed that concept and with newer process nodes they put the CPU and GPU on the same chip later on.
They did "crazy" stuff back then.
Unfortunately not. I wish CPUs were made out of sugar. Maybe then.
Precisely. And low margin GPUs make up a majority of the sales. A lot more people buy 1650, 1660, and 2060s than they do 2080 and 2080 TIs.
As long as both console is on parity i am good otherwise it will be resolution gate all over again lol
Don't be concerned about resolution gate, it will be replaced by NVMe based milliseconds of loading screens :)
There are going to be seconds of difference. I'd bet on a ~2x difference of loading speed.
I'm not claiming it is, the two I referenced earlier had manufacturing costs in the $150-$200 range. If we have the manufacturing costs of a product
we don't have to use MSRP to guess anymore.
The fact is we don't know the manufacturing costs of each of the current cards but we do have MSRPs which on average and in the price tier we are talking about have manufacturing costs of 1/3.
Using the MSRP is not a hard and fast rule, it's just a guideline in the absence of actual manufacturing costs. It's an estimation tool, I'm not sure why we are trying to turn it into a hard equation.
First it were two chip packages.
One package had the GPU die + the eDRAM die and the other the CPU (everything was build under 90nm for the Xenon/Zephyr versions).
Jasper was the final revision before the fusion, where the CPU and GPU were manufactured under 65nm and the eDRAM die on a 80nm process but the packaging was still the same:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2682
https://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-inside-the-new-250gb-xbox-360-slim
After that Vejle (Valhalla was not the codename) under the 45nm process node was the turning point, where everything was on a single package.
CPU and GPU got unified but the eDRAM was still separate.
We have to make that assumption but does that mean bigger and slower as well, how many CUs enabled/disabled, clocks etc. If they went for more CUs, disabled a few, kept clocks moderate, the we would still need to see the hardware solutions AMD has such as RT.
And no I'm not saying they are going to dedicate 100mm2 to just raytracing, just that as it stands now we have no idea if is a wide and slow, wide and fast, total CUs and CUs disabled for yield, or what else is on die.
actually do we have confirmation that Xbox Series X is indeed monolithic and not chiplet based?
Both consoles will perform at 4k, dont need to worry about that.
ok I'm adding to this theory and likely going to catch a lot of hate for this, but...maybe the Xbox series X actually uses a chiplet design.
All the above stays true with two important differences:
Lockhart is a 5500/XT at 4.8 Tflops
Xbox Series X is 2 5500 XTs duck taped together putting out 9.6Tflops.
this keeps the costs down for the XSX and takes the 158mm2 and doubles it in the XSX to 316mm2 which would also help explain the larger die size of the XSX.
Yes I know it's a little wild but this is a theory I came up with to make the pieces fit.
You know there is a photo of the Xbox Series X chip in the public already?
(no hate 🤓)
Nope.
We've already seen the die and it's monolithic.
And I doubt they're clocking their 52 CUs at 1450 MHz. That would make the X1X a bigger jump in clock to the S than the SX is to the 1X.
Man that fell apart quick.. oh well.
I told you this yesterday.
This is the way /mando
This seems all plausible to me. Where did the 12 teraflop report come from btw?
Tom Warren teased 12TF since X019, and this WC article posted before TGAs reveal:
Inside the target specs of the next Xbox 'Project Scarlett,' 'Anaconda', and 'Lockhart'
Microsoft is gearing up to reveal Xbox "Scarlett" in full in the near future, and we've finally got some credible information on the target specs.
www.windowscentral.com
Tom Warren teased 12TF since X019, and this WC article posted before TGAs reveal:
Inside the target specs of the next Xbox 'Project Scarlett,' 'Anaconda', and 'Lockhart'
Microsoft is gearing up to reveal Xbox "Scarlett" in full in the near future, and we've finally got some credible information on the target specs.
Is this site usually accurate?
Why not?
So give us the numbers since u have. Please we are waiting.
Yeah, and that article is written by Jez who knows stuff.
I suspect Microsoft are confident Series X is more powerful than PS5 given they've revealed the box already. They won't say it's the most powerful as they shouldn't know that.
Well they say "FASTEST. MOST POWERFUL." without saying it's the most powerful console in the world.
I m not so sure about that . Every time they refer to xsx they mention "our most powerful console "(even 2 days ago in investor call)which is a far from what they did with x1x when they were confident about power.
If anything I feel they are both close otherwise ms language would be different .
Series X will be 12TF
Ps5 will be either 8.X TF or over 10TF.
nothing substantial to brag about.
i expect them to be very similar in power And very different in all the rest
I would say north of 10
I m ok with anything north of 10 Navi tf to be honest . I just hope Sony hits double digit tf. It's a mental thing but still I m hoping for it to happen
either way we will all be happy! I just think console wars makes no sense anymore
no no.
I just don't believe his predictions
Yes, fasted. Most powerful Xbox they've ever created. They've been vague about it because they don't know what the exact PS5 specs. They've built what they consider near the top of what's achievable. Doesn't mean they are the most powerful.
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