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I know, but the logic for explaining the Github stuff + some of the 9.2tf dev kit rumours seems to be that there was an interim custom APU used before the final RDNA(2?) APU was available. That seems far too out there to me. I mean I could potentially kind of see it if they did have a 2019 console in deep development so already had the design and had been through some validation runs, then sure do a small pre-production run of those chips and put them in devkits. I mean it'd still be far more expensive than just keeping 1st gen PC kits running for another couple of months but perhaps the dev teams would get far more out of it and the cost would be worthwhile I don't know.
So then you also don't believe Arden has anything to do with xsx
I guess... my take is that they had to have something to test their BC and allow their devs start tooling out for the new hardware on hardware that was very close to what they would be working with. On that iteration of the hardware, there was no RT.
All we are seeing are snippets of the whole, and we can't even possibly discern the relevance of what we are seeing.
Some of us have drastically lower level of trust towards insiders than you. I take leaked chip data over some guy on the Internet any time. Feel free to suit yourself though.
What are you trying to say? I don't know how to read this. Is this saying you disagree with it being a huge disappointment or that you don't understand why the person will buy the console if they think it's a disappointment? If it's the latter, how do you not understand that people prefer certain ecosystems? Sony has been my primary console maker for years now. I've never owned an Xbox for numerous reasons and never plan to.
Why are your post in this thread always so console warring?
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I mean dimensions of the XBSX case aside for a second, the notion that the PS5 and XBSX are very similar doesn't not preclude a 9.2tf PS5 if the XBSX is in that range.
I mean we don't know what is required to cool a 9.2tf console solution. If we look at the PS4 Pro, the RX 470 was a pretty hot card and the PS4 Pro had far bigger internal volume than the XB1X which solved it's heating issue via an relatively expensive vapour chamber. We don't know the XBSX cooling solution, we know the volume, the venting and the fact it's got a single large low speed fan but they may done that to avoid the cost of a vapour chamber this time around and the size is not indicative of some massive leap in power.
I mean we don't know what is required to cool a 9.2tf console solution. If we look at the PS4 Pro, the RX 470 was a pretty hot card and the PS4 Pro had far bigger internal volume than the XB1X which solved it's heating issue via an relatively expensive vapour chamber. We don't know the XBSX cooling solution, we know the volume, the venting and the fact it's got a single large low speed fan but they may done that to avoid the cost of a vapour chamber this time around and the size is not indicative of some massive leap in power.
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Yes. We know from their LLVM commits that they're working on beefing up their MCA capabilities, but they are no where near where it's a substitute for real hardware. What we are seeing could even be an off-the-shelf Zen 2 and Navi10 die coupled together with a custom IO die.
Just one question : what do you expect(not want) from both consoles performance, visually wise, A.I..gameplay?.. I don't mean hardware numbers.
4k/60?
1080p/1440p/120?
4k/30 with super realistic graphics /bigger worlds?
8k like they mentionned probably for less demanding games?
Super audio 7.1 Atmos/DTS EX and whatnot?
I'm probably forgetting others..
Anyways, my other question is if all the above fits your expectations or some.
Can all the "confirmed" hardware no matter the console achieve these expectations above and would 9tf be enough?
I personally don't think so.. That's in the range of 2060 ish maybe super. Even with the rest of the "confirmed" hardware, there will be bottlenecking issues at some point..
That being said it is only logical that to achieve half of the expectations which some were already confirmed by Sony and Microsoft it would require at least 10-11 rdna tf at least!
Like that other person said BG I believe? They are both awesome hardware and performs similarly with PS5 having a little edge as of the beginning of the month.
If the Devs are really pushing this to a real next gen thing .. You need more power.. If not the difference between this gen and the next coming won't really be that much of a difference.
We'll know soon enough for sure but I do expect 2 beasts if we consider what they said officially and "promised" to us consumers.
Has for tf's.. My personal guess would be 11.5 to 12.5 with a 0.5 to 0.8 difference between both.
And finally sorry for any spelling mistakes.. I'm French and coming off a 12 hour shift loll!
4k/60?
1080p/1440p/120?
4k/30 with super realistic graphics /bigger worlds?
8k like they mentionned probably for less demanding games?
Super audio 7.1 Atmos/DTS EX and whatnot?
I'm probably forgetting others..
Anyways, my other question is if all the above fits your expectations or some.
Can all the "confirmed" hardware no matter the console achieve these expectations above and would 9tf be enough?
I personally don't think so.. That's in the range of 2060 ish maybe super. Even with the rest of the "confirmed" hardware, there will be bottlenecking issues at some point..
That being said it is only logical that to achieve half of the expectations which some were already confirmed by Sony and Microsoft it would require at least 10-11 rdna tf at least!
Like that other person said BG I believe? They are both awesome hardware and performs similarly with PS5 having a little edge as of the beginning of the month.
If the Devs are really pushing this to a real next gen thing .. You need more power.. If not the difference between this gen and the next coming won't really be that much of a difference.
We'll know soon enough for sure but I do expect 2 beasts if we consider what they said officially and "promised" to us consumers.
Has for tf's.. My personal guess would be 11.5 to 12.5 with a 0.5 to 0.8 difference between both.
And finally sorry for any spelling mistakes.. I'm French and coming off a 12 hour shift loll!
Liabe Brave Good day, I was looking at your die diagrams again and I wanted to ask you your thoughts about RT HW and where that fit within the confines of your diagrams. Furthermore, what ramifications would that have for other portions of the GPU?
Honestly not interested in XSX so I haven't been following Arden rumors/info.
Could very well be a Sony R&D chip for use in something else (cloud, etc) why does this have to be PS5 especially since the whole 9TF thing doesn't fit anything we knew prior?
Same as above.
It's a straight answer to your question. How can I definitely say Arden is or is not related to XSX if I haven't been following it?
I'll answer your post later but ehm Atmos/DTS: X are speaker layout agnostic (iirc max 40).
BGs' post is vague but his explanation matches other insiders like Klee and Matt have been saying for months. Having said that, the sources there are not verified and I'm starting to believe these are their mod's alt accounts. They don't ban "insiders" who refuse to be verifried - why? Because all this insider talk is generating a ton of traffic back to their site.
You just misunderstand my particular stance. I don't have a reliance on the leak, but I absolutely lend more credence to hard numbers that have been validated by reputable sources over personal anecdotes with their own biases and agendas.
Frankly it's disappointing to see so many attempt to undermine the data so vehemently when that leak gives us the most valid, reliable insight into the hardware these consoles may contain to date. Everything else has been window dressing.
First 1-2 years a lot of games 4k and 60fps from MS exclusives
PS4 probably a lot of native 4k but 30 fps pushing graphics.
COD 4k and 60 fps with medium and high settings
BF 4k native sub 60 fps with drops like always
after 2 years bunch of multplatforms sub 4k, 30 fps and a mix of low and medium settings.
First thanks for providing the link.
let me explain how I look at the time line:
Silver Tower = PC component dev kit
V Shape Dev Kit V1 = 1.8 GHz GPU based variant custom silicon 40 CUs—> tweet you provided.
V Shape dev kit V2= 2.0 GHz 40 CU dev kit. 10.2 Tf more mature Oberon Revision.
Thanks. By the way, it did not notify me of the edit. I found on accident.
Sure it could possibly be cloud related, but you can now at least acknowledge that it is a Sony product?
Also, where is the PS5 in that case? We already found Ariel and Oberon and there would need to be a third, still to date undiscovered product.
I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an
What is happening? o.O
As I have little time I will take advantage of this message to respond in general.
I don't know what kind of disputes exist between these communities but I neither know nor interest me. I currently have no preference. I have little time and I write where I can and when I can. At the moment it has nothing to do with any preference (time will tell). I haven't had time to meet anyone here yet to assess the situation. Sometimes I will write here and sometimes not. But only for a matter of time. The threads are moving very fast and I don't have time to read them all the time.
There are dozens of threads in both communities that are interesting to me and I haven't had time to read in the whole month. A month of madness. I hope to be able to participate in enriching VR conversations shortly.
I am sorry that this had to be one of my first messages here, but I thought it necessary to make it clear.
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It doesn't make financial sense to cook up a separate APU just for cloud use. There's no other sensical explanation other than for it to be some embodiment that represents the PS5 APU in some meaningful way.
Wow, I wasn't aware of this tweet. That's either one hell of a coincidence or that's really the dev kit configuration.
Thanks for contributing! Really excited to hear about PSVR2 possibilities as well!
Thank you very much for the clarification .welcome .look forward to seeing you more around .cheers
Sure, it could very well be Sony given the info in that data dump.
And where is the PS5? Who knows? Maybe Oberon IS the PS5 chip, but 36CUs is not representative of the full chip. Perhaps it's another chip altogether. 36CUs and 9.216TF @ 2.0Ghz hardly lines up with the information that we had prior to this information becoming public domain, so this in itself leads me to believe it's not the chip, or at least not a full representation of the chip.
That ban was just..........Don't worry, time will heal you. You will be back .;) For now i am going to read books to become the smarties adventurer.
They did the Spider-Man demo on the silver tower kit, so it already had the SSD tech in it.
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
If that's low speed meaning the SSD tech, than hold on to your butts for the finalized version.
I don't think it was about the SSD tech either.
With all do respect! I can understand the fairness of your point but undermining vetted insiders here by the mods themselves with I'm sure really tight criterias required thinking they are just anecdotes with agendas is really sad on your part.
Just because they don't say their real names or sources for OBVIOUS reasons I should add...
It does not mean it's all lies and fantasy now is it?
What are you even doing on this forum disrespecting the mods and their rules?
Just curious..
I doubt you guess 9.216 tf out of thin air and have it be identical to oberon github that is leaked 9 months after ol so git hub leak has been ps5 dev kit at some point.is the V stronger ? We don t know
I don't think there will be any games coming up with native 4k for the ps4.
We have no idea of the timeline, the provenance and the integrity of these files and datas. Zero. Nada. Nothing. And so, "some of us" also have the ability to use the conditional, that isn't denying it at all, just considering how many sources have put their civil and profesionnal name in the basket for revealing or relaying info. But feel free to believe a scenario written over it.
Hahaha. I like you already but ehm you should use Bing Translator because yo.....
no no no, I'm just joking! Let me be the adventurer that i desire
That is how I roll too. I also thought the downplaying would end after what Albert Penello posted just yesterday . But instead it went into the opposite direction . I really hope for a reveal soon to be able to move on.
I saw your post at the other place mentioning PSVR2 and the mindblown.gif. Is there anything you can tell us about it at all? Like what can we expect in terms of improvements over what we have now or possibilities? PSVR2 is my most anticipated thing next gen by far.
Thanks for taking the time to post here and on GAF. I know it is more effort than you need to make, especially since you have to run everything through Google translate first.
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1.) 40*128*1.8 = 9.216
2.) 36*128*2.0 = 9.216
hrmmm
lmao
So its either the PS5 is keeping with the same silicon or they chipset has gone through more revisions to make it close to the XSX in some fashion.
I would appreciate you avoiding trying to bait mods into banning me with comments like "What are you even doing on this forum disrespecting the mods and their rules?"
And I'm not referring to verified sources but specifically the countless unverified 'sources' and Twitter accounts being posted in here. If you can point to a mod-verified source on ERA who has outright stated the data leak was inaccurate, I would be fine to take that into account but I haven't seen one.
This is bullshit. Mods always advertise to take leaks with a grain of salt. Every launch there is a sudden proliferation of insiders, a lot of which disappear before or when numbers hit the public. It's part of the experience. I don't like calling them out, because there is enough hostility on the web, but it doesn't mean you have to treat them seriously.
I also find it hilarious how people use "insider data" to make sense of GH leak instead of using GH leak to verify insiders, but that's just me.
Yeah, matches github, right?
This also gets overlooked. Because I immediately was like, will there it is when the github data was posted.
Again, it wasn't until the brilliant minds in here started looking into it deeper that I was back on the its still wide open train.
The questionable github data shouldn't be factored in because reasons? Some that looked thru it said it was a mess.
Yes, that matches Git hub Oberon Gen 2
Yes, the spreadsheets were a mess, but likely any engineer looking at it would have found the obvious mistakes (certainly so if we can).
Some of the mistakes were just an intern testing out scripts that didn't actually work properly.
No, I don't think those leaks provide the final performance of the PS5. I don't know what to expect aside for I do think final kits will have better perf.
The same can be said of all insiders, except GH data is real, just incomplete. Also I doubt anybody risks that much over it. Forcing people to take insiders seriously is exactly the same as harassing them, which means wrong,
Yea the devs definately had the oberon number around gdc 2019. Did sony improve it or its still the same ? That remains to be seen.i wonder why sony called it high speed dev kits for the V shaped devkit that went out one month after this tweet
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