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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
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PS Now, Xbox Game Pass, EA Origin Premier/Access, Uplay+ etc, it's clearly going to be a big part of the future.
But big blockbuster movies still exist in the world of Netflix etc, and I believe big AAA games will still exist in the gaming subscription future. And people will spend their $60 to play them day one.
Personally I'm a huge fan of interesting indie and AA experiences rather than the usual AAA stuff which often bores the hell out of me. And subscription services allow those mid-budget experiences to thrive again which is hugely exciting.
The thing is though, most people here are largely already fine. The problem is a small minority who shit up the thread with their tantrums.
Damn you Sega Channel, Game Tap, OnLive, PSNow, EA Access and Game Pass!!!
I wonder to which terrified AAA developer he spoke to as even EA and Ubisoft have their own subscription services. I believe even an independent AAA developer would prefer an upfront payment to be part of a subscription service over a traditional release unless they are working on an established IP.
GitHub info might be true and accurate and still not be representative of the PS5 - thing is, we don't have context to that info, and it's vague enough that it could be a bunch of stuff.
Please y'all, let's make it to 12OT.
Truth.
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Because that term is used loosely by fans and so we bookend that title. See "insiders".
Again, data is just numbers and doesn't have biases imbedded. Your "insiders" are the exact opposite and that's why so many reach for them because people are looking for hope. This idea that Xbox is more powerful than PS5 terrifies fanboys.
« How the enemy is stupid : he believes that we are the enemy but that's him ! »
There's plenty of reaching from fanboys on both sides. The only thing that terrifies fanboys is the victories of opposing fanboys.
Lmao. Lmao at the entire post really.
But hey folks, let's not get derailed by this.
No not really. This thread is primarily driven by PS fans who really have nothing to lean on because Sony is near silent about the PS5.
The Github leak was verified by reputable sources and gives us real insight into the hardware (relative to anything else at this time). Yet we see the same side trying to discredit it time and again based on "insiders" who argue things like "negligible differences, dev kit performance, not indicative of anything final, etc".
Again, only one side is working overtime to undermine the data. Everyone else is just waiting for something more substantive but to date, that leak is the most reliable data released about the new consoles.
Edit to add: it's also MS being incredibly confident about their new offering by sharing the box, discussing the system and stating it's relative performance metric over previous consoles.
Contrast to Sony sharing nothing on its offering beyond a Wired article and you see where this angst has developed.
It's very difficult to add features in a stepping. There's just no room to do so if you did a good job on the base design. I've done it before, but you can't do something like adding compute ability. It's more like you figured out a situation in debug where performance was limited by something so you add a feature to mitigate it.
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Is this a shitpost?
Did he just say "Insider" without looking BGs up? And people wonder why Insider wants to have nothing to do with this Thread.
Lol I think you failed at the point you were trying to make .both sides are terrified of that and how Klee was treated was an example of that imo . But there is always hope that both sides learn and grow and reflect on their mistakes (just like I did )
i agree and even the blockbuster movies didn't effect in revenue
because there is a lot of movies that gain more than 1 billion $ in this period
EILI5 how devkit performance points to final specs and/or performance? Or, how would devkit performance discredit the data leak?
Please.
By wich source was the github leak verified? Was that also not insiders? What makes you not believe some insiders who are also credible but other insiders who say otherwise not?
MS have shared almost nothing substantive more than Sony. One showed a box, the other showed (behind closed doors) a controller. Both have talked about almost exactly the same tech bullet points.
the data may be authentic but its also gappy and old and limited in context. Plenty of room to apply biases to. How about - the data is authentic and means PS5 is around 9TF. OK but we don't have any real data on MS in those docs, and insiders have said they're close. So do we interpret that as meaning Xbox is *also* 9TF?
Devkit performance = real world use cases.
GitHub data = test data for chips that aren't confirmed to be used in any next-gen machine.The data itself could very well be 'real', but its relevance to next-gen isn't anywhere near confirmed.
Indeed, but this circa 1bn USD gets made at the cinema, not on Disney+ (if we take the example of Endgame or Black Panther). There is a difference between a service like Netflix that will deliver AA (and sometimes AAA) productions to their viewers because they want to redeem their "cinema killer" image and attract more viewers with exclusive content and Disney+ where the big AAA blockbusters are behind bars for a temporary exclusivity to the cinema and ends up on the service months later for a service exclusivity, once the billion has already been made.
I'm pretty sure Digital Foundry confirmed the documents did come from AMD and weren't faked.
What did you expect? He's a foreigner, not someone who lives in Scranton, PA and is two hours away from NYC. It's a tourist spot, just like Hollywood Blvd is.
LMAO.
I love this thread. No matter how absurd the premise, someone buys in earnestly. This is why I hope they come in the exact same. Milquetoast lynchmobs all around.
Yes, we already know that the information is true.
What im asking is a verified source that has confirmed that the github leaks are the ps5 performace.
This is a point that I keep seeing people ignore when bringing up other examples similar to XBXGP. PS Now, EA Access etc dont give you big, AAA games day 1 for free like game pass does so this is uncharted territory that could have lasting effects on the industry (or at least peoples perceived value of XBox games).
No they actually say in the video take it with grain of salt and if it is to be believed to be final ps5 . So hypothetical case for their video
Especially since sources like Matt and Klee countered it outright. It's funny to hear claims about the importance of hard numbers while ignoring that Klee, towards the end, was going off the hard numbers of the spec sheet he was given (which apparently does not much the Github numbers).
The reverse too right? The idea of PC being more powerfull than both too right?
They do - they very keenly stress that a lot of key context is missing and to take everything as heresy. But at no point do they doubt the authenticity of the source of the data - that's all.
This isn't the issue. Github is real, real data.
What it means is another story.
Without even considering what's in it, we have no idea about the provenance, the timeline and the integrity of these datas and files. Just this is already enough to be cautious when hammering that is the ruthless true, even if it is.
Oh no one discredit the authenticity. Is anyone ? I doubt that . Everyone is saying the context is not there but it is for sure authentic. Sorry I misunderstood what u said
we even know the silver tower ps5 dev kit (which Sony calls low speed dev kit )was 9.2 tf from gdc 2019 ( March 2019 leak)
They absolutely confirmed the leak AND source of the leak as genuine.
I took Snakeeee's asking on whom verified the Github leak as them asking who verified the documents were authentic and not faked like a random Pastebin, not necessarily the numbers within the leak.
Apologies to both if I misunderstood.
Nah man, I think the mistake was on my end - no worries!
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Good post, I don't see any reason why games can't exist in two different mediums.
Console wars is serious business.
It is hilarious to see folks get bent out of shape just to conform to their biases. Little they do realize it happens on both sides, the said poster is doing exactly the same!
This is my feeling. After seeing how we have many opinions about what people know or who to trust, i am sticking to official words from Sony and Microsoft. We will know soon enough.
The git hub leak of course was real and contained AMD company both sensitive and confidential information.
What is not clear is the context of the git hub contents, which were far from clear. It is also 6 months old and oberon at the very least has already been stepped 3 additional times since then.
What is not clear is the context of the git hub contents, which were far from clear. It is also 6 months old and oberon at the very least has already been stepped 3 additional times since then.
My question . Why would cerny call the 9.2 tf silver tower dev kit( we know it was 9.2 from the March gdc 2019 leak) low speed dev kit ? ( even though he demonstrated the ssd speed on it to the wired journalist and it was 0.8 sec) to the wired magazine and say from April 20 the new high speed dev kit (v shape dev kit) will be going out to devs
why did they use the term low speed for silver tower 9.2 tf dev kit ?
why did they use the term low speed for silver tower 9.2 tf dev kit ?
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