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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
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Andrew Reiner is an editor at Game Informer, and tweeted that prior to E3 2019, developers were telling him that the PS5 was more powerful than Project Scarlett (as it was known at the time):
Kleegamefan's threadmarks are linked in the OP if you want to read those. Kelly Rickards was an editor at gamefan and EGM.
1. No idea. I don't recall much about the BC portion of the Github leaks being discussed and I never saw them myself.
2. Well in point 4 of my guess I noted it could have been the old PC tower low speed devkit that was being tested because AMD would have to test each unit before sending them out, and running them at 2GHz could've been a stress test. There're any number of reasons why they could've still been sending out low speed units when the V shaped devkit just became available.
I know there are alternate theories out there, but I like this one because it fits so nicely with the timing of all the events before and after GDC 2019. I think the V shaped devkit did clock in at about 13 TF which explains all the rumors we heard from insiders over the past year. The XSX is likely in that same ballpark which is why so many people are giving a power difference of 10-15%.
theyd say they are the same if both were 9TF Navi. Which would make xsx twice as powerful as x1x.
vivftp nice post - that works as a possible explanation. Also that testing stopped around mid 2019?
True. But we could just add them together and average it out.
Call it tfrps
1. this could be Sony wanting to spend time early as possible testing BC on Navi which is the architecture they'll be using to make sure it works with PS4 properly and give them time to make small adjustments via stepping if any issues arise
I'm still not convinced. A cv from XING or LinkedIn with a bit of fantasy and then a public repo of all things? That's the equivalent to some self printed notes to me tbh. We have people creating short animations of a fake PS5 UI with a console and some fake documents or 3D printing a fake Nintendo Switch.
No, I'm only going to believe what established journalists like Schreier say or even better, I'll wait for the official announcement.
Hooray! I made sense to other people! :)
MrKlaw No idea when testing would've stopped on the low speed devkit, I'm afraid
Who's to say that it wasn't tested. Those tests just haven't leaked.
Also, didn't someone say that the GitHub leak had info to trace back the person working at AMD?
Is that person still working at AMD? If this was the final chip design you could bet your ass that person wouldn't be working at AMD anymore.
The fact that nothing concrete has leaked, yet means Sony is keeping a tight ship and everyone is NDAed up to their neck. Leaking actual test results could definitely lose someone their job, right?
Not a bad stance to take. As far as I'm concerned the Github leak is an interesting piece of information but I'm not looking to it to try and figure out what the PS5 will be. We've gotten far too much info from far too many sources indicating something more powerful is being developed and I'm perfectly happy to stick with that until more info comes around :)
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I don't know about you guys, but I for one can't wait to see PS5 be more powerful than XSX, and seeing Xbox execs do damage control at first but then go back and improve the whole platform in other ways the upcoming generation, just as this generation.
I mean when has boasting about sitting on the power throne ended with something positive for the end user?
Edit: Sorry, dumb way to phrase it, didn't mean be to toxic here, I really just enjoy the changes MS has done lately, and also what happened last gen with Sony, and don't think they would've happened if the start would be different. But I'll keep those thoughts for myself.
I mean when has boasting about sitting on the power throne ended with something positive for the end user?
Edit: Sorry, dumb way to phrase it, didn't mean be to toxic here, I really just enjoy the changes MS has done lately, and also what happened last gen with Sony, and don't think they would've happened if the start would be different. But I'll keep those thoughts for myself.
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Yup. If AMD has to test each and every devkit before sending them out then we're looking at what, thousands of devkits in total being sent to dozens if not hundreds of studios? The Github leak was 1 devkit. 1 devkit being tested at a time that we specifically know 2 devkits were in circulation - the low speed PC tower devkit and the V shaped devkit.
That's why I feel there are way too many unknowns about the Github leak to draw any solid conclusions on the final product. Especially when the leak contradicts pretty much all the insiders and even contradicts Cerny when he said there's hardware RT in the GPU, but nothing of the sort was indicated in the leak.
As far as I'm concerned GPU power is only 1 piece to the puzzle. I'm with the insiders when they say the GPU power will be within 10-15%, meaning they're effectively the same. It's what a lot of us focus on, but there're so many other important factors. The CPUs will likely be pretty close in both boxes give or take a small clock difference. The RAM and SSD and RT implementation could provide us with more tangible differences. Then toss in whatever secret sauces each company is working on.
GO TEAM RERAM!!! :D
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Well we do know that ps5 dev kit around gdc 2019 was 9.2 tf (before the v shape dev kit)
Naah. Microsoft can't afford to have the weakest box against at the start of a generation. So even if both PS5 and SeX are currently very similar, Microsoft will wait for the PS5 reveal before bumping the clock up. Not that it will matter at the end, next gen will be about more than just TF.
Yup, that had to be the low speed devkit in the silver PC tower. As I mentioned earlier, if the V shaped unit went out just after GDC then that means this silver PC tower must've been created quite a while before that. Definitely in 2018, maybe as far back as 2017? What sort of hardware would they have had back in 2018 to shove into a devkit? I'm seriously doubting they would already have an APU more than 2 years away from launch, but they almost certainly would've had early 5700 GPUs and Zen 2 CPUs since those were launching in mid 2019.
Now I didn't read the Github leak and all the info I have on it comes from the others in this thread. To anyone who did read it, is there really any reason why the device being tested there couldn't have been a 5700 GPU OC'd possibly for a stress test and a Zen 2 CPU, then use SmartShift to make the system think it's an APU?
Yeah, and we onow there is a 2nd devkit. So I can only assume it is stronger and has RT.
Yea the v shape went out to devs one month after gdc 2019 around April 20.and apparently there are two v shape dev kit prototypes . One for first party and one for 3rd party( different specs to prevent leaks )
Wait, 2 V shaped devkits? I don't recall hearing about those. Source?
it's a rumor thought . I ll post it .
Prototype 1 : prospero (3rd party)
Prototype 2: Verona (1st party)
Thank you :)
Nah, if it's an event for the very end of Feb then invites could still go out in the first week of Feb. Klee had said end of Feb in that PM to ArabianPrynce
We are looking at last week of Feb. So we got another week after this for invites to go out.
4 more days for what? Sony could go through to 14 Feb or they wanted to give 2 weeks notice for an event last week of Feb.
4 days is only if they are literally copying 2013 dates
Interesting to see whether those who don't believe ps5 specs may have evolved are willing to countenance that Lockhart might have. If anything the latter would make more sense if ps5 was on a level with Xsx
I'm the opposite. I think PS5 has evolved but I think Lock has remained the same. Or at least I don't think this recent find is related to Lockhart. Granted I haven't thoroughly checked it out.
Exactly the only way ms would bump the spec of Lockhart is that they are sure ps5 and xsx are close in spec and price and now they feel they can price Lockhart 399 and leave 499 for ps5 and xsx
A month notice is common as people need to book flights and plan accordingly. 2 weeks sounds rather arrogant as if everybody just sits there and is waiting only for this invitation.
You didn't answer his question . VN1X
yes they do 2 weeks event notice as well . Has nothing to do with arrogant or whatever u r on about .
last of us 2 event was 2 weeks notice . Ps4 was 3 weeks notice .
They didn't cancel Destination PlayStation, looks like that was a bad rumor.
Price will not be revealed till June / July you can bet on it imo
Yeah before the 31st of Feb which is when they announced the event date for the PS4 reveal.
I wanted to write "specs" not price, damn. I think they'll give us specs in an article and then some kind of video to show it off.
It sounds lame and weird, but I can see this Sony doing it.
Oh really?
Yes I looked it up again, it is still going ahead just being run by a distributor and not Sony themselves.
Unless that is wrong as well?
I can't really see what the purpose of putting an NDA on an invitation would be.
For reveal the event to the public when sony want to reveal.
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