I don't know how they keep all this info on lock down so well.
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Are you all there? Like seriously? What conspiracy theory are you talking about? That Bill Gates told them to add some extra Cus on to the x?
If you don't like my comments or question, put me on ignore. If you are so thinskinned that it triggers you when someone has a different idea than you, an internet forums probably not the right place for you.
Again, it took him six months. We'll look for Cerny's response in April.
Many have been chased off, but some have said what they wanted to say before leaving. Others likely don't want to burn their sources or have been asked by their sources not to say anything. Or it could be the Sony ninjas really do have shit on lock down and very little info has leaked.
As much as I love this thread and all the insiders, I'd be happy if no more info leaks. I want to walk into the PSM with as few spoilers as possible since we're so close. The only reason I'm still here is because I know I won't be able to avoid leaks as they'll be everywhere anyways.
I really wish we could see the financial data behind GP, because all we have is info from subscription based services like Netflix and others that show that you really don't make a lot of money from them. I'm not confident the money MS makes from GP is enough to offset the price of the XSX. It would have to come from taking a loss lead hit and making it up from Xbox Live
I've said it before, but it honestly sounds like people were talking too much and the Sony ninjas started silencing people. We were happy to have insiders talk all day on the internet and then right before TGA, everyone got quiet. Whatever Sony decides to show, it's going to be huge.
Or maybe Sony is following the same policy they've followed for decades and not address rumors and speculation, positive or negative. You are mistaking silence for inaction.
Or it is a 36cu GPU and the Github info is correct, which is the most likely scenario.
Either way, his response wouldn't be expected before April based on previous Wired interviews.
One piece of thorough yet entirely out of context and questionably up-to-date evidence, or the word of half a dozen respected industry insiders who have direct connections to developers actually working with the hardware.
"Most likely scenario" is a huuuge stretch, my friend.
And when matt said not to take it as confirmation as anything he was just doing it for a laughs right?
I would at least get an avatar try and throw em off the trail lol
The Github leak was orders of magnitude bigger than some Xbox fanboys trying to read something into Cernys comments about Ray Tracing. I am surprised he did address it, as it was a zero in reality. The Github leaks tho? I mean it was actual Sony and AMD IP that was leaked. But like I said, I expect the Github info is bang on, so theres nothing Sony can say anyway."He was quick to come out & clarify"
First WIRED article: April
Second WIRED article: October
Ok, I'm pretty convinced you are an alt account at this point. None of what you are saying is making sense. You are pushing this narrative that Sony has been trying to keep quiet to mask the fact that the PS5 is less powerful than the XSX, even though a confirmed insider clarified that the changes to the PS5 were made years ago. Then you ask poor Penello about changing kit specs in bad faith where if you had actually took the time to read the threadmarks and OP, you would have noticed that very question had been answered weeks ago. Please, continue on with your bad self. You got it champ.
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Because they officially talked about ray tracing..... Even then the response wasnt overnight.
Tell me, what can they possibly officially talk about with the github data? It might be misinformation from Sony, AMD. We dont know. Could be ppl just interpreting the data wrong. With it being a mess, thats a possible answer.
Honestly, and someone said this before, if the PS5 wind up being 12tf or even a tad bit higher than Series X, all the github thing did was give them some amazing PR. Ppl that pushed, pushes it might be doing Sony a favor.
I can see the forums now with the multiple threads created if that happens.
The github data is unofficial, on the same level as rumors. Maybe if an outlet, writer actually ask them about it that will be another story. But like with most rumors, companies can choose not to address them even if the rumors are false.
Exactly. Today is a perfect example where Lockhart might have different specs. And they still havent officially announced or revealed anything about Lockhart.
I have worked in some of the biggest multinational companies. Every single thing they do when releasing a product is stage managed to put out the exact narrative they want. Their timeline of revealing information is totally plotted out to get maximum effect, reach and traction. The last thing they ever want is the narrative to get away from them. If it does there is basically emergency meetings to try and work out how they respond. One thing I can guarantee you is that when the Github leaks came out there would have been emails, phone calls, Skype sessions with everyone of any importance about what happened, who did it, and how do they deal with it. AMD would be putting together an incident report into how it got on to Github, and Sony would be sending please explains to AMD. There might even be financial penalties for AMD if their company leaks information. It would be a breach of Sony's NDA with AMD.
Trust me, this was big.
Oh, more powerful than PS5 isn't a surprise since that will be a hampered mess apparently.
HBM is noteworthy though!
Calling BS on this. I have never seen this before or even remotely heard a rumor around this.
Any proof?
It's a higher stretch to say that the PS5 is anything other than what the Guthub leaks say.
So are people assuming the GitHub thing is real due to reliable sources or just because?
Also, link?
Also, link?
Then wouldn't this be something AMD needs to address, and not Sony?
If you wanna put it like this.
Are we still talking about addressing rumors or a lapse in protecting Confidential business info?
It was part of a small avalanche of info a few pages back. Possible higher tf.
The Github info should be real. It's just not relevant to the final product according to Matt and there have been multiple theories put forward to explain it.
It's pretty clear what are you doing here buddy. you are pushing too much.
let me tell you why you should give a break from era for while :
in coming weeks, sony going to tweet ( a simple one ) that we are going to see the future.
and whole gaming world will get excited and it will be a hot topic. people will hype , mostly will be rumours or false any way BUT most will be positive news!
Era will have rivers of meme and gifs to countdown to reveal. Mark and Jim will be the main gif showrunner. And guess what, the reveal of ps5 will satisfy all the Potential customers and Games will blow all out . of course there will be some laughing stock announcements as well.
I really concern about you if this happens bro!
It didn't come from a random person. It came from Brad Sams. We don't really hear much about it though and Phil Spencer always said console (singular) when talking about Project Scarlett (which was rumored to be a family of devices). I've been wondering for a while if it does exist.
That's incredible...amazing memory and piece of history.
Thanks
It is almost as if we can't be certain about anything we "know" right now.
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If you see how some insiders get treated. Would you really want to leak some things and get chased around and get vitriol your way? Of course not. It's not worth it and in time these companies will release information. Why do you think Matt, Jason keep as far away from it? Because people are childish as fuck!
Its sad but we've got to do without insiders...
I guess I don't see why it should be real vs. fake. Was it someone of note that leaked it or confirmed it?
AMD will have to answer to it, but it effects Sony's product.
All I am saying is that this leak would be very annoying to Sony. It would have put them in a situation to respond in some way, at some time. And it wouldn't be so hard for them to do.
What's wild tho, is some of the new info had ppl questioning things we already talked about, including github.
And damn near on cue, there's a debate right now about github being confirmation...lol.
Sony didn't clarify anything "6 months later". The person that initially interviewed them posted on Twitter that the whole interview wasn't published verbatim, and that at one point they asked if him RT was just audio or if it was for lighting etc too, and Cerny said yes. He tweeted it shortly after that initial interview, not 6 months later. This was posted many times and people keep ignoring it for some bizarre reason.
Well, one explaination is that Sony had a chip ready for their 2019 launch and instead of trowing way, they use it to send out devkits early one, as early as late 2018.
And they buff the clocks to come close to their 2020 counter part performace, that also explains yah Zheug said that the final devkits will only be out by e3 and that both Sony and Microsoft were waiting for AMD to deliever big navi.
That's my theory.
I wish they released a special edition. Is it better than the DS4?
2020 strikes again....hahaha
I don't recall the full details, but IIRC it was found with the full resume of the AMD engineer who logged the data.
You've worked in some of these companies in what capacity?
In what way is the 'narrative' getting away from Sony?
Why are you not bothering to engage with anyone's actual points being raised about Sony's general approach to PR?
Speaking as someone who worked in marketing for several of the worlds largest companies, and who has extensive experience in liaising with their PR companies, while there will have been emails and probably a meeting to discuss the github leaks, knowing Sony's approach to their PR - which is 'we talk when we want to talk, we don't respond to rumours' - their silence over this is entirely what I would expect, and says nothing about the validity of the Github in any way, shape or form.
Also - I would take issue with your claim that product releases require an iron fist on controlling narrative. That may have been true prior to the rise of social media, but these days its a largely impossible dream, especially in the pre-reveal phase where we are now.
Sony's real crisis will be losing control of the narrative after they've done the full announcement/reveal etc the way it did MS after TVTVTV, because MS didn't just have to roll back their messaging, they had to rework the console OS.
Haha, we shall see. I'm not bothered if the PS5 is a 64 CU, 15tflop beast. Not going to hurt me personally. But this is a speculation thread, and we all have ideas about what the system may or may not be. My speculation is based on what I see as the best evidence. Nothing more, nothing less. And if I'm wrong, shit I'm wrong. Life will go on, and I wont lose an second of sleep. But, if the PS5 isn't the 13tflop machine that people like Klee promised you it was...well I think hours of sleep will be lost, but not by me lol.
Lol, no man. The Github leak is absolutely nothing to Sony as far as it being something they would be forced to respond to. Now if Jim Ryan ran around town with no pants on and the PS5 specs tattooed to his asscheeks, that they'd have to respond to. The Github leak has done nothing more than put MORE attention on the PS5, which is exactly what they want. More people are talking about it
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