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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
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You're right actually. Even Tom Warren said they weren't completely sure, and that they might change plans yet again (as did Schreier).
120 people, as said in their new dev diary. ~40 working on hellblade 2, ~20 on bleeding edge, and the other 60 on mara and other projects
The problem is the same its always been - If Oberon exists, its really hard to imagine its anything other than the PS5 APU. APU's are too expensive to create to make a throwaway.
And if Oberon does exists, its either [email protected], or its sub 10tflops.
Nothing is impossible. Again, what makes more sense spending tens of millions creating, designing, testing and stepping a chip over years just to throw it completely away 18 months before launch and hope you can start over? Or streamlining the chip as much as possible and focusing on maximizing clocks and cooling?
The only valid reason I have heard that the GitHub data is not PS5's chip is that they have somehow created a chip that wasn't in testing through the first 6 months of 2019 and planned to launch it later this year. That or they are using two of them. Per Albert, there is no way the chip wasn't already far along and in testing early this year.
What is more likely: 1) Sony has created a chip that no one has heard of and was not in testing by AMD at all in 2019 and they are willing to throw away tens of millions of R&Dor 2) the chip is real and Sony is focusing on maximizing the CUs and clocks it can get out of the chip.
Out of the two if you want to launch in 2020, you go with what you have.
But that power has to come from somewhere so they'd have to beef up the power supply, I have no idea, but I assume they throw in power supplies that don't have crazy overhead allowances?
What would, along with the better connector, increase cost. Just so someone can have a little bit of convenience if they happen to use peripherals.
I don't think the cost benefit is there. Even if it cost $1 more, that's $100m saved over the life time.
I agree with you.
I was thinking it was a video and not the game.
Super impressive :o
Their tone gets lost in the ellipsis, but I think Oluasc is team in-engine?
At least I think I misinterpreted their tone?
Well, they are now!
It's the Vex simulating our reality...oh crapWell I guess they redid the marble on the stairs then?
Also looks like there's some raytracing noise in the reflections immediately next the steps, it's only really apparent in motion though.
Holy shit. That is one HELL of a nice catch there! Fucking eagle eye! Ok, now I'm pretty amazed. o.0
Just a point of clarification (I know I'm being pedantic); there is no universal law of heat that say heat goes up. Hot gasses in atmosphere rise due to the buoyancy effects of their lower density. In an enclosed system, with a fan doing mechanical work on a gas to impose a net forward flow of the bulk fluid, mean any heat generated in the system will move in the direction of flow of the fluid.
Intuitively, however, you wouldn't want the flow moving top-down though the XSX because some of the hot exhaust air can be pulled into the intake and recirculated; thus reducing the efficiency of your cooling scheme. A bottom-up flow scheme almost completely eliminates that problem.
OK :)
It is impressive, yes. I rewached some of RTX demo and the Star Wars one is really somehting.
What's really strange is that MS was supposedly "behind" but here they are, with an XSX in a fucking box. No Arden went right through from start to finish - no stepping has been detected.... Meanwhile Sony has been at it for years Oberon at an E stepping - MS 1st try and already at final design (no doubt still tweaking under the hood) ? Something is off, IMO.
What about 9.2 TF not including RT hardware? Would maybe make the info about them being close in power (or at least game performance) make more sense, no? And XSX is 12 TF but that includes RT computations.
Did you watch the video? They talked about building these games with very small teams.
Framerate in the video also seems super smooth. Is it 60fps? o.0
Also, it is a VR game?
I do agree something is off.
I also find it weird how tight Sony's ship is, pretty much nothing is leaking.
If you've been reading these threads, then I have to seriously question your reading comprehension, man. Matt has on several occasions said the differences wouldn't be significant (which is good, it's the best damn outcome). As pushback on a comment some user made, Matt said he wouldn't consider a 15 % or less to be significant.
After the 12 tflops rumors about the XS started floating around, and with MS basically having almost confirmed as much, Schreier, who in 2018 said the consoles would come out in 2020, and also was the first to suggest both consoles would be aiming to beat Stadias tflops numbers, had this to say:
I'm not twisting anyone's words. I wasn't even specific in my post, so what "truth" was I twisting? I made a truthful comment, several of these people have been right about a lot of stuff YEARS in advance, so I'll personally continue to believe them.
Which part? Assuming Arden, well... Arden wasn't ready for testing last June, that much is clear from Github. We also know that Arden came almost 2 years after Ariel. So from June to the Game Awards reveal, and then shortly thereafter Phil tells us he has one at home. That doesn't leave a lot of time for test & revision.
I am not refusing anything. Ever since the github/XSX specs were given out most of this thread has been trying to figure out how the PS5 can have more power while the Xbox is 12 TF. Everything from GCN to "secret GPU's" to believing banned sources just because they said like 2 years ago PS5 has the edge.
wut...Then whats going on with the pixel crawl on that panel right here?
And the ghost in the reflection?
I think ya'll are underestimating the power of photogrammetry, ray tracing, and DEM FLOPZZZ
Omg.
Maybe the XSX being behind was blatantly false? There was really no evidence to support that and they have been on the forefront of console news.
I believe that the multiplat thing came from someone asking "is this on XSX or PS5?" and the answer being "yes". That could be interpreted to mean it's multiplatform, or it could be interpreted to mean it wasn't running on PC or Switch etc.
If this is the chip, then where is the raytracing part?
Tens of millions might sound like a lot now but Sony is probably aiming for another 100 million units seller so having shitty yields, thus adding a ton of money to the chip side of things, plus more expensive cooling and maybe even higher failure rates due to higher stress on the components which might add warranty costs could end up more expensive or at least close enough in the long run to warrant rethinking their strategy again.
Not saying that's the case, but who knows.
Thats what I am saying - it DID have a later birth date, hence why they were behind. Ariel was on the scene much earlier. We also have never found any evidence of stepping. So they started much later, and seemingly finished first and with seemingly significant less effort. We don't know the whole story.
Standard USB-A <-> micro-USB is limited to 15W of power supply when no data is being sent over the cable (half that otherwise). USB-A <-> micro-USB with Power Delivery extension can support up to 100W but this is a very obscure thing to find in actual real world devices as most micro-USB cables out there aren't capable of handling that current. Which means that MS will have to supply the cable for proper charging and warn buyers that other cables likely won't work or will take a lot more time to charge the controller. With how things are right now, PD specs are being almost exclusively implemented over USB-C <-> USB-C connections since most modern USB-C cables are made with PD in mind so there's considerably less hidden compatibility issues.
Are you talking about this?
because if so, it is just a current trend
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