You are probably better off asking Boris in the TV thread, but I don't think it does tbh. I know different TVs have different start points for their VRR implementation — the LG C9 is 40Hz and up iirc.
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I can see it now, PS5 will come short in regards to specs compared to the XsX but will still win the hardware war because it will have one USB-C port.
...but be left behind quickly by NVIDIA PCs featuring ray tracing when it comes to visual quality. We already know how good something like Control looks on a current PC. Consoles being left behind day one seems pretty lousy to me.
Pete Dodd says the excitement hasn't even begun for gamers as a whole. He says these forums don't mean anything to Sony. I don't buy that.
The only thing I wonder about - and not sure if it's already been touched on - is if the USB-A port can deliver the same power to a USB-C receiver, and if that would impact charging times? I don't know anything about this stuff though, but it's the one question that springs to mind. For data-rate I know it doesn't really matter depending on the spec of the USB-A port, which I think Windows Central or the like already 'confirmed' is of the higher rate variety.
edit - oh, bsigg may have answered my question. If power delivery is unaffected also then I don't think it really makes any difference.
Who knows, maybe it's an object intense game, like TES and Fallout, environment destruction, etc. It's difficult to handle many objects in current-gen, especially in open-world games. This is one of the reasons Bethesda still has loading screens for dungeons in their games. Anyway, graphics it's very probably not the case here.
Comparing gears 5 and Cyberpunk? I love gears but it was just an empty filler semi open world. Cyberpunk has a sprawling mega city with loads of npcs and is graphically intens. I will bet that Cyberpunk puts the CPU and GPU under much more load than Gears 5 does.
I wouldn't be so sure yet that ps5 would come short in spec just yet imo
Controller and console are two different things. You can (I) expect the standard controller to have USB-C just like the Elite Series 2 already has.
Exactly . All these new smart phones fast charge from type A female to type c male
Personally the lack of HDMI in isn't big deal, but I would have liked a second HDMI out for audio only so I could go direct to TV without passing through receiver
No it doesn't or does any smartphone have USB C at the power supply end ? USB C is just a type of connector. Important is the USB version like 3.2 as it determines the standards as data rates.
People must be confused with the actual connector type versus 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Plenty of cables are A to C, A to whatever really.
Think about where consoles stood on day one of 8th gen. PlayStation 4's GPU was already middling and Xbox One's GPU was low-end spec before they even finalized the design.
At least at the start of the 9th generation, both Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 will have GPUs that aren't low-end spec on day one. PC hardware is always a moving target, so I'm not too worried about that. I feel much better about consoles this gen than I did last gen.
Form a console standpoint you have no compatibility issues at all because all certified accessories and peripherals are USB Type-A. Series X is set to support all that stuff. Some people already own that stuff and I think MS don't want to force them to renew it just because the connector type. I see USB-C only useful if you actually plan to support USB 3.2 Gen 2 with 10Gbps. But that is just me.
I know you talk about stuff you may already own with a USB-C type connector. Well that is solved easily. 9 bucks at Amazon for 2 adapters.
It's better than last time, but it seems to me it could be a whole lot better. Maybe AMD will surprise us, but I'm concerned Navi will end up being the Jaguar core of next gen... far too weak to support the generation.
I agree with all your points. Except my phone charger for my Pixel 3 is USB C - C which I found slightly odd.
USB-C can use alt mode for DisplayPort out. Useful not just for PC monitors, but potential a future VR solution as well.
Also I think Phil mentioned it in an interview after the reveal or in Major Nelson's podcast. I have one of these types of cases for my PC and since hot air rises it's just common sense for the top fan to be an exhaust. The circle on the bottom of the case (and probably the vents near the i/o) aids in this to create a gap for for fresh air to be sucked in.
USB C
The XseX controllers are most likely USB C just the like the Elite 2 but the other ends of the cord will be USB A and you can still fast charge, although fast charge isn't really a big deal if your controllers have good battery life anyway (plugged in will always be king for the lower latency).
It's more telling about their (MS) plans for VR as USB C for a headset would be ideal. So it looks like if Microsoft is going to do VR at all on the Xbox that they're waiting for a wireless solution or will provide some sort of adapter. For the same reason I can see Sony sticking a USB C port on the front for their new PSVR headset. I'm not sure if HDMI to USB requires typc C for 4k60 (inputs) but they could have an adapter for that too and still allow HDMI IN (via adapter) for people that still want it.
As far as USB C for external hard drives I wouldn't be surprised if both companies limited current external solutions to only being for archiving games and playing last gen (non enhanced)games where new games will require being installed on the internal drives or on expansion slot drives like the one on the back of the XseX.
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I also hope the PS5 has Bluetooth Audio built in so it won't require a dongle for their wireless headsets.
You are right. Pixel might be an exception then ? Never saw any other smartphone charger with USB C - C before.
I wonder if Avengers, Dying Light 2 were delayed for similar reasons as both looked ambitious for current-gen consoles.
Thank you for bringing that up again and reminding me. Wow, I completely forgot his stint there and thought his run with WinRumors was much longer than it actually was. Time flies.
Who?
Seems gamers on every site are super excited for next gen stuff.
It can still be wireless, it would just have a USB-C dongle then. I wouldnt want to trust any internal antennas as Sony has gone cheap with them before.
If there is a demand for VR, there will be a Series VR that will support exactly that, at least that is something I would expect now they changed their name game.
I am a MacBook Pro User and well aware about DP over USB-C but that would mean to implement Thunderbolt 3 or 4 and if you followed the news not even Thunderbolt 4 is set to support DP in all implementations.
Just have an old type a port on the back for charging old accessories and have 2 shiny usb c ports on the front of each console.
DisplayPort out does not require Thunderbolt at all. It simply uses certain pins on the USB-C connector to carry a DisplayPort signal. Its entirely USB/Thunderbolt agnostic.
It would be unfortunate for either of the new consoles not to have at least one USB-C port. If games from these systems can only be played from the (faster) internal drive and there is no upgrade solution this will make migrating games from external drives a hassle.
Type C can currently bump up to 20Gbps, and USB4 (Thunderbolt 3) will take that up to 40Gbps. USB-A ports are capped at 10Gbps, which would be fine for today but as game size creeps up, migrating data from external storage will become more frustrating. There's also the added benefit of USB-C Power Delivery and DP-alt mode which doesn't require the full USB 3.2 2x2 (20Gbps) implementation.
Type C can currently bump up to 20Gbps, and USB4 (Thunderbolt 3) will take that up to 40Gbps. USB-A ports are capped at 10Gbps, which would be fine for today but as game size creeps up, migrating data from external storage will become more frustrating. There's also the added benefit of USB-C Power Delivery and DP-alt mode which doesn't require the full USB 3.2 2x2 (20Gbps) implementation.
This does not require Thunderbolt on either end of the connection.
Yes, USB-C to USB-C can do 15W with 5v 3a in the base spec, and then anything up to 100w if they implement USB-PD.
Thank you for posting this. I have been giffing that old video for long enough. Time to deal with this now.
I predicted so based on the information is available in public. Doesn't mean it will be the case.
They could have 1 USB-A or ship a dongle in the box.
They need USB-C for single cable VR.
There are peoples that want PS5 to be below 10tf.
Edit: also there are peoples that want Xbox Series x to be less powerful, but it would be best for all parties if both consoles are close and above 12tf
What I really want is an official wireless single ear headset - Like the one they had for PS3 -
Not the GOLD Series HEADSET. That is amazing and I have a good feeling it'll work with my PS5 - Uses a dongle after all.
But just a ear piece wireless one would be great too - Sometimes I like using my 5.1 Surround Sound and talk to friends.
Can you please write this in a Pastebin so it's taken seriously around here?
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