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I'm thinking a full-on PlayStation Meeting revealing the PS5.
I also say PS Meeting Conference and then some SoPs before E3 (which Sony won't attend)
One possibility is a SoP where the press are simultaneously at a location playing around with the hardware for their articles. In that scenario Sony could have already sent out invites but requested the press remain silent until a certain date.
The only thigh that concerns me is that SOPs usually get announced close to the actual date. I need 3 weeks notice to book days off of work!!! 😩
no disadvantage other than "harder to make", but it's a complete win for customers
None. The IO die just makes their chips easier to make as their overall yields ar better.
shit..beaten lol.
I get what you're saying, but a lot has changed in 7 years. PS5 info rollout has been weird.
so a CPU with less cache but no separate IO die could perform on par with the desktop parts technically? i remember reading that latency is actually one of the bigger problems with zen 2 desktop CPUs.
PSVR 2?
Looks like the camera is still involved.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/ca/6d/05984ac760ef72/JP2019220185A.pdf
Could be irrelevant or old, but patent was filed in the summer so take with a grain of salt.
This may just be an incredibly late filed patent for how PSVR tracks your head.
Looks like the camera is still involved.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/ca/6d/05984ac760ef72/JP2019220185A.pdf
Could be irrelevant or old, but patent was filed in the summer so take with a grain of salt.
This may just be an incredibly late filed patent for how PSVR tracks your head.
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yes, should be performing better and reducing the space where the original large IO die would take
Seems like Eurogamer has made it there mission to downplay next gen.
Nice work. What I/O and periphery circuitry are you accounting for?I've completed remeasuring the different functional blocks in Navi, based on the new Fritzchens Fritz die shot. Here's the new figures. I've also updated my predictions based on this, and to account for the likely need for additional ROPs and cache in the higher-WGP PS5. If any questions arise, let me know.
Mecha Meister , I saw that someone had asked my prior post be threadmarked. If you decide to do this, please mark this post instead. Of course, you may also determine that neither is of sufficient significance.
It makes it less likely, but it's not unfeasible Sony would use a COTS solution if their device wasn't ready.
Good catch. Appears to be exactly what it is.
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credit to AbsoluteBeginner at B3D. Looks like 5600 XT consumes 24W less than 5700 in similar conditions. Even accounting for memory consumption, it sounds like N7P gains could be in play.
Sony also looking into NFC tags. Kratos Amibo here we come!
Aren't people talking about a 1.5 version, the camera has to go.
Liabe Brave Thank you kindly for explanation as well as the new diagrams. Certain aspects became crystal clear hence.
I do wonder, however, what does having a physically larger front end area mean in terms of what constitutes this extra size (in 5500) over its more potent sibling, 5700/XT.
I do wonder, however, what does having a physically larger front end area mean in terms of what constitutes this extra size (in 5500) over its more potent sibling, 5700/XT.
A thing that big you have leaked throught smaller journalist / influencers.
I think we will have a main event, I don't know in which form, and I can see what you are describing one or two months after that.
I can see everyone just waiting the date while, as a french, I am waiting the event to NOT be at 3 AM here. I trust you Jim !
How much smaller can they get beyond 5nm die? Where does technology go? I am not well versed so I apologize if the way I word my question is odd. Do things get stacked? What are they going to do to continue progression? You can't get smaller forever. Where will it stop and what after will they have to do?
man what the hell is going on at intel?
AMD just need to add TB3 / USB4 and go in for the kill now...
AMD just need to add TB3 / USB4 and go in for the kill now...
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You seem to be on a mission trying to convert me to the message that reconstruction is best. I have not only told you, but I believe someone else that I really do not care whether games are native 4K or reconstructed. I know what both are.
What I am trying to tell you and you fail to understand is this; most developers do not change unless they are forced to. Most will simply stick to whatever solutions they have been going through simply because it saves time, it saves money, and being a business, this is what the bottom line is all about.
Been in this thread and there have been people crying themselves hoarse about how developers ought not waste resources chasing 4K, at least not native. They will chase that because that is what they have always done, and when you are putting games on what is not a closed box environment like PC, chances are that there will be excess power on console. You think they are simply going to take their time reconstructing stuff when they can ship it as is?
Lastly, I look at evidence. You will take a few games where there has been reconstruction. Those are the outliers. Most developers have simply not bothered outside the PS4 Pro, and they only bothered with checkerboard because there was a console with excess power that they could essentially play around with. Otherwise?
Yeah I'd prefer a traditional stage show as well. Hell, I'd like them to rent out a sports arena and stuff it with tens of thousands of screaming fans, but something like PSM 2013 would be fine. 😃
Edit: nvm. The red coat is on the old dies?
Or maybe they just misspoke.
Old 5700XT die
So maybe The Series X SOC is just N7and not even N7P
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Hmm, that Godfall talk is a bit odd. I don't think that game looks *considerably* better than something like Warframe, so being told to keep our expectations in check concerns me.
If you trust Shinobi, you don't have anything to be worried about.
What does this even mean? That other PS5 potentially could look worse than Godfall? What an odd comment in general
Well spotted, very interesting!
Edit: nvm. The red coat is on the old dies?
Or maybe they just misspoke.
Old 5700XT die
So maybe The Series X SOC is just N7and not even N7P
I don't think the Eurogamer dude is saying anything out of knowledge, but out of prudence. "It might end up looking better, or worse. At this point we can't say either with any certainty."
Edit: nvm. The red coat is on the old dies?
Or maybe they just misspoke.
Old 5700XT die
So maybe The Series X SOC is just N7and not even N7P
The die tint isn't going to tell you anything about the node.
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It's not an IHS, it's a bare die. And definitely says something about the process they're using to cap the silicon.
Sounds like Tom Phillip has a PS5 in front of him. /S
But in all honesty unless he knows the specs people shouldn't be making comments like that.
Only way I would make that comment is if I actually saw it running on PS5 hardware and PC.
I've been thinking of the possibility actually. Something like "State of PlayStation" instead.
A pre-recorded stream instead of a live presentation for everyone, followed by a closed-door meeting with the press.
You're right. Can you elaborate a bit more on the color to process connection? I don't have much knowledge at all in this area.
i think theoricaly kadokawa could separate from, and sell it, but i think thats extremely unlikely
This has been brought up before when Raven Ridge launched, but the extra cache the discrete CPUs have over AMD's APUs are mostly there for their server platform. This way you can keep more data locally and you don't have to cross over to other CCXs/chiplets/CPUs over the IF and you save on power and latency. Gaming results between a 1500X (which has only four cores but has the 16MB L3 enabled) and AMD's first Zen APUs weren't that different, everything else being equal. I bet when Renoir's desktop SKUs launch and people compare em to a 3700X or whatever with normalised clocks, the difference won't be huge either.
And it's not so much the I/O die causing the latency as it is the way AMD built their memory access in general. Hell, overall latency went down compared to Summit Ridge. But yes, technically a monolithic SoC should have lower memory access than doing a chiplet design because you lose the extra hop that has to go off die.
thanks for the correction and clarifications, very interesting.
My bad, I added a quote but forgot to reply. What I wanted to say was that in the grand scheme of things, developers get bought out and others step up. You may not see the big teams, but there is always someone to step up and fill that void eventually.
I think that people worry too much about something being taken away from them when this is how gaming ecosystems, especially consoles are built. There will be a lot of great games going forward regardless of who is bought up by any existing player. And for me if there is a game that I really feel I must play, then I get the console where it is at.............you are not being denied anything, it is just that choice is shrinking when it comes to a single developer/publisher.
But these are the things that drive competition.
It's less that there's a connection between color and process and more that different colors likely mean different things. Processors are usually capped with some sort of ceramic for increased mechanic resistance and heat dissipation properties - different ceramics have different formulations and, thus, very different properties. Use some sort of metallic dopant and you might have increased heat dissipation at a slightly higher cost to manufacture, or less mechanics resistance, or increased electromagnetic noise, etc.
If AMD saw fit to change the ceramic formula used to cap their stuff, there's some reason to it.
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