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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Su seems to be saying they will talk about RT at AMD E3. But that'll be as it pertains to Navi generically, so we could presumably take whatever is discussed there as the baseline for PS5. But anything PS5-specific... who knows when we'll hear about it.
For Navi generically, at least, I'd be expecting something quite different to the RTX accelerations but it'll be interesting to see what they're doing. I think it'll be along the lines of 'well, we optimised compute for xyz, and the cache enables 123, and this is why Navi is x% better at RT than Vega per clock', and not some big set of custom silicon for RT, but it should be revealing nonetheless.
....you do realise that was during the Q&A session during the recent Investor Day?
They havent talked about the date, they ruled it out from PS5 being released in 12 months.
Merk Cerny also said ps5 is not this year .he would not lie in a widely published article just cause .
Yes.
But i don't know.
Too good to be true.
512GB SSD NVMe + 2TB HDD?
24GB GDDR6 @ 672GBs + 4GB DDR4?
Dual Custom Raytracing Hardware?
Navi 64 @ 11TF?
Dual Zen 2?
Chiplet Design?
This thing will be a monster, hungry for energy.
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Reporter: Can we say anything about Renoir [a rumored APU combining Zen 2 technology and Vega GPU cores]? There have been reports that the project is dead.
Su: That is not true. It is doing well.
Drew Prairie, AMD spokesman: We might want to start with, we don't know what Renoir is.
What's Renoir going to be used on? Laptops?
Su: That is not true. It is doing well.
Drew Prairie, AMD spokesman: We might want to start with, we don't know what Renoir is.
What's Renoir going to be used on? Laptops?
Only way I can see this happening is if they expect to take big losses on this (but at the same time guarantee the power crown) whilst simultaneously making a profit off Lockheart which will be 70%+ of their sales anyway. It makes sense but I doubt they'd want to take big losses anywhere.
I would hope for Navi RT if it exists to be universal, if it's PS5 exclusive & RTX obviously remains Nvidia exclusive on top of that, multiplats are just not gonna adopt RT & everyone gets screwed over, though FP Sony games would look great & the occasional enhanced RTX title.
That would make no business sense. You don't lose money on a premium product. Premium products almost always have fatter margins on them, because the kind of consumer that is the target there is less price sensitive.
Nothing about PS5 date was discussed on the Q&A. An analyst on Twitter claims a Sony rep told him no PS5 for 12 months with no one else backing him up (unless someone knows otherwise?). The same person last year said John Kodera told him no PS5 for 3 years and other analysts called him out on it.
Sorry to be the pedant here but again no he didn't. The reporter stated that. There is no direct quote of Mark saying that. Clever Sony leaving things open....
And just to be clear here as I'm sure some will jump on me for not letting 2019 go. I already gave up on that. This is just about who said what (or not).
Lisa Su's Q&A leans to them getting sick of hearing about people claiming that Sony built Navi. I have hope on the RayTracing front. Can they develop a more efficient solution than NVIDIA?
Oh it is. Just maybe not on hardware. Your whales are going to be buying up lots of software instead of buying it elsewhere.
Oh it is. Just maybe not on hardware. Your whales are going to be buying up lots of software instead of buying it elsewhere.
Bruhhh
You actually think it's coming out this year? Lol fat chance of that happening, chubby fat chance
The Anaconda GPU in the B3D leak is also being used for xCloud which means they would be ordering a significant amount of the GPUs.
The idea that each Anaconda GPU will be paired with a more capable Zen 2 based CPU in xCloud to allow each CPU/GPU combo to run 2 games at 1080p for streaming also seems very smart.
The idea that each Anaconda GPU will be paired with a more capable Zen 2 based CPU in xCloud to allow each CPU/GPU combo to run 2 games at 1080p for streaming also seems very smart.
Out of curiosity, could this SSD solution also help with VR games that have weird pop-ins and such? Apologies if a dumb question.
If that 1 journalist is the only source for no PS5 for the rest of this fiscal year and Sony hasn't been confirmed to say anything yet then I think that reopens the door to early 2020.
IF the rumors are true of an impending PS5 reveal then that timing lines up.
Eh, I'm with Mochizuki. Getting one thing wrong doesn't mean that he's not a very reputable journalist.
Not to mention if Sony is looking at releasing the PS5 in 2019, why on earth would they skip E3?
I just couldn't see it happening though. What about software? I do understand that the system is backwards compatible so technically you could get away with it, just release patches for new releases like TLOU 2, Death Stranding etc and third parties would be covered without having to port games over.
But I just can't see them being set up for it now, that'd mean the console would be out in just under 6 months and we still barely know anything about it. It's not like a console is a game with a 6 month hype cycle, it needs a decent amount of time to get into the public's eyes.
In short, it really doesn't make sense to me, sorry but i'm almost 100% certain it's not happening this year.
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I still don't know why any hardware in 2019 ships with a damn disc drive. You guys are always 5 years behind. PC gamers have been downloading games to their hard drives with no problem.
Bubububb muh bandwidth. It's 2019. Internet is like electricity, if you have problems with it, find another hobby. If MS can shave another $15-20 off the cost of the Xbox to bump up the memory or storage capacity, I'd take the disc drive out back every day of the week.
The only time I've used a game disc this generation is when Halo: Reach came to back compat. My disc drive could have crapped out years ago and I wouldn't know or don't care. I even forgot the thing had a disc drive.
Consumers like me are the norm. No one buys anything these days with a disc drive in them. I'm sick of "basement gamers" holding consoles back with their niche complaints. Embrace the future. Nostalgia is nothing but embellishments of actual memories. It sucked that I had to blow into my NES cartridges to get the game to load. It sucked when my Dreamcast games had a scratch on the disc and I would know it was about to crash because the audio went out first. It sucked when I go to open a game case only to find out that the disc isn't there. When I find it a month later, it's scratched to hell and back and the game is unplayable.
Digital ownership is superior. I buy a game once and five years later its still mine. Never once did I have to "wait until a game downloaded." I buy a game when I'm at work and by the time I get home it's ready to play.
TLDR: Fuck disc drives and fuck the ass backwards gamers holding consoles back with ancient, inferior technology. Don't want to deal with that shit again this generation. All digital isn't just the future, it's the present reality everywhere else but console gamers who are still stuck in 1999.
I said early 2020, not late 2019. Early 2020 would give them roughly 9 months to market the console if a reveal happened in June
A couple of posters need to read the last sentence on my post above. 2019 is off the table for me barring a miracle.
plus, they used an article instead of a controlled showcase to announce/introduce the machine....
"Hey guys, Sony here. Guess what. In 9 months you buy the PS5! SURPRISE! We didnt say anything at e3 or want any marketing build up a year before our release. We are trying something new and will just shadow drop it in your lap, k? thanks for understand. please be excite"
you're making yourself mad because the info you are given isn't what you want to accept. slap your forehead all you want, you're doing it to yourself bud!
"Hey guys, Sony here. Guess what. In 9 months you buy the PS5! SURPRISE! We didnt say anything at e3 or want any marketing build up a year before our release. We are trying something new and will just shadow drop it in your lap, k? thanks for understand. please be excite"
you're making yourself mad because the info you are given isn't what you want to accept. slap your forehead all you want, you're doing it to yourself bud!
This aimed at me? If so I have no clue what you're talking about!?
We can suppose the custom Sony solution will be faster than the first SSD PCIE4. I think this is 8Gb/s theoretical speed and 5 GB/s real speed.
Ah ok, early as in end of Q1?
Sure, bit more realistic but I think they need all the time they can get to prepare and market this thing.
E3 2020 should be like 2013 where we had an influx of next gen announcements, I know that E3 isn't relied upon as much anymore but it's still a massive event.
The whole MS speculation has been weird for me. It seems obvious, based on product timelines, MS statements, and past history, that the MS solution is Zen3 + NextGen graphics.
I'm inclined to believe an insider claiming everything else is BS than putting out their own unique claim. The benefit of revealing early is that you can avoid it.
But hmqgg saying we found Arden but not clarifying is driving me mad.
The AMD rep said they were already developing RDNA (the architecture) before Sony came along. AMD could've still collaborated with Sony to make Navi (the product using RDNA).
Come to think of it, that AMD guy said that Arcturus is a chip or product, not an architecture. This could mean that if the MS using Arcturus rumors are true, then Arcturus could be a product of AMD's and MS "deep collaboration". Another GPU product, like Navi, based on RDNA. Since Navi is focused on gaming, Arcturus would most likely be focused on server use (and will also be used in the next Xbox). This would serve MS's idea of dual purpose GPU.
Says the person who's been 'hinting' or claiming to know things about the next Xbox.
This is the most ignorant post I have seen in a while... and I am someone that only buys digital now and would pick a disc driveless console over one with a disc in a heartbeat.
I really like the fact that they were more forceful in stating that RDNA as a platform is absolutely a unique architecture, not GCN.
I think it is chiplet. I think they can use Anaconda SOC in Cloud or into the console with two different memory configuration one in HBM2 for XCloud and in console with GDDR6.
Note they're talking about the Xbox "E3 plan" leaks, not Xbox hw leaks.
Finally caught up on the thread... not gonna lie peeps, We took a few steps back in here. We gained some new info but the tone of the thread did regress a bit compared how we were in the run up to the keynote. Just wanna remind everyone that whatever platform they prefer, we don't need to downplay the other one and that there's still a lot more info to look forward to from both MS & Sony before we can be certain of anything.
I'm also gonna agree with Colbert that maybe we do need a separate thread for cb4K / native 4K because that is a discussion worth having... just not letting it dominate the discussion here.
On that note, i'm off to (finally) watch the AMD keynote for myself and do some Kremlinology on the Cerny mention & Lisa's & MS Lady's giggling.
I'm also gonna agree with Colbert that maybe we do need a separate thread for cb4K / native 4K because that is a discussion worth having... just not letting it dominate the discussion here.
On that note, i'm off to (finally) watch the AMD keynote for myself and do some Kremlinology on the Cerny mention & Lisa's & MS Lady's giggling.
Yes.
But i don't know.
Too good to be true.
512GB SSD NVMe + 2TB HDD?
24GB GDDR6 @ 672GBs + 4GB DDR4?
Dual Custom Raytracing Hardware?
Navi 64 @ 11TF?
Dual Zen 2?
Chiplet Design?
This thing will be a monster, hungry for energy.
Hmqgg already said this is wrong info.
He needs to come back and steer us in the right direction.
Tinfoil hat on:
The leak Andromeda posted, suggesting lockhart runs on ~1000mhz vs the ~1600mhz for anaconda would fall in line with Buildzoid's suggestion that AMD lowered clocks on NAVI quite a bit to attain IPC and lower power consumption. Looking back at the rx line from AMD. 460, 470, and 480 all had clocks in a similar ballpark while their power varied from 2.2 to 5.8 Tflops. So for lockhart and anaconda having such a huge clock difference while using the same architecture is odd.
Once NAVI releases and people start comparing it to vega at the same voltage/clocks, we'll probably see the gains aren't that great. From a marketing standpoint, it might hurt if MS go with it, from a performance standpoint there might not be a gap people expect.
:tin foil hat off
The leak Andromeda posted, suggesting lockhart runs on ~1000mhz vs the ~1600mhz for anaconda would fall in line with Buildzoid's suggestion that AMD lowered clocks on NAVI quite a bit to attain IPC and lower power consumption. Looking back at the rx line from AMD. 460, 470, and 480 all had clocks in a similar ballpark while their power varied from 2.2 to 5.8 Tflops. So for lockhart and anaconda having such a huge clock difference while using the same architecture is odd.
Once NAVI releases and people start comparing it to vega at the same voltage/clocks, we'll probably see the gains aren't that great. From a marketing standpoint, it might hurt if MS go with it, from a performance standpoint there might not be a gap people expect.
:tin foil hat off
That would be one way to do it. Question is whether IO is on GPU chiplet or by itself.
Yes, and said no one has uncovered it yet. If Dante is the only dev kit for both, it will be really hard to unearth.
Yes, I should have clarified. I'm just more inclined to believe people who hold back sharing info because it usually means they're trying to protect a source.
IPC as a metric is independent of clock rate (it is the independent variable). Unless you're saying the architecture targeting higher IPC necessitated pipelining the design such that it couldn't clock high, which is possible.
Just circling back to this part of the interview... Lisa Su used the words "Proprietary technologies".
Proprietary technologies would be tech that Sony owns that no one else can use without consent/purchase/licenscing etc.
What's not clear here is if Sony's iteration of the Navi has some proprietary Sony tech built into it or if it's simply been customized to take advantage of Sony's tech. There's a world of difference between customization and inclusions of "proprietary technologies".
I chuckledYes.
But i don't know.
Too good to be true.
512GB SSD NVMe + 2TB HDD?
24GB GDDR6 @ 672GBs + 4GB DDR4?
Dual Custom Raytracing Hardware?
Navi 64 @ 11TF?
Dual Zen 2?
Chiplet Design?
This thing will be a monster, hungry for energy.
Seems like serious NDA still in place.
Yeah, kind of figured that, especially after that AMD keynote, lol.
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