What if PS5 was originally planned for 2019 but due to issues with Navi, it got pushed back to 2020?
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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well not much hope for fair prices, but intel is working on a gpu.
Speaking of which, I hope next gen has really amazing compression and decompression tech. I really can't imagine downloading 200-300gb of data, even with gigabit internet.
So u assume already navi is shit ?lol wait Untill it's revealed atleast
Seems like a bunch of bullshit to me.
Besides, even if there are some thermal problems 10+ tfs should not be an issue for $499 2020 console.
Besides, even if there are some thermal problems 10+ tfs should not be an issue for $499 2020 console.
Consoles aren't going to run at the TDP that will be needed for that.
That's my theory as well,especially after AdoredTV Jim said some time ago that Navi was delayed cause it needed re-tape.It seems it's architecturally flawed design.
doubt it, they still need the cpu, which is just hitting valume now.
It would be crazy if Sony pulling out of E3 is somehow related to not being able to show off the PS5.
After the fiasco with the original Xbox and having to pay licensing fees and the issues with backwards compatability I don't think so.
Wouldnt be smart and logical. The early adopters (wich is mostly the "hardcore" base will just wait for Anaconda when they know its coming) The X is doing just fine power wise atm as non of the games will be taking the best advantage of Lockhart until Anaconda and PS5 arrive.
LOL, this is a rumor? Pretty sure this would not happen. Especially after Nvidia screwed them during the first Xbox generation.
if that was true, I find 499 might be too low. nvidia doesnt take low margin contracts. that being said, I might buy a console if it had a rtx chip.
GPU decompression is not a secret sauce. it's a piece of software.
and went to court over it. though i don't think there's ill will. Both companies work together frequently because of DirectX/Windows and stuff.
With that said the chances are near zero because Nvidia doesn't license their IP (much like Intel) and Phil Spencer was just at an AMD keynote a few months ago essentially confirming the next Xbox will continue to use AMD parts.
Times change. Microsoft and NVidia have been working together a lot recently with DirectX and RT stuff so it's not like their relationship is that bad, or it doesn't seem so anyway.
Because neither company sells as much devices per year or makes as much money per unit as Apple.
yes he has a could track record when it comes to amd leaks.
Doesn't custom silicon cost less though?
There is the upfront cost of designing it but isn't that offset by saving they will make per SOC.
Any secret sauce added to these systems will be interesting since that will likely add to the power draw. If Navi is as power hungry as the video implies, I wonder if MS and Sony will either go over their expected power limits or if traditional shader performance will be sacrificed for this secret sauce.
I got the impression that was just a standard Navi feature since hmqgg seemed familiar with the technology Sony was using and knew it would also be in the next Xbox systems. It didn't seem like something that would be hardware exclusive but more of a system API feature.
I wouldn't put too much stock into those rumors. It seems more likely that AMD put a greater focus on Navi to try and fix the issues they ran into than to work with Sony directly. It's also unlikely that MS wouldn't be using Navi since there only other option would be Vega 7 and that chip seems less suited for a console than Navi.
I got the impression that was just a standard Navi feature since hmqgg seemed familiar with the technology Sony was using and knew it would also be in the next Xbox systems. It didn't seem like something that would be hardware exclusive but more of a system API feature.
I wouldn't put too much stock into those rumors. It seems more likely that AMD put a greater focus on Navi to try and fix the issues they ran into than to work with Sony directly. It's also unlikely that MS wouldn't be using Navi since there only other option would be Vega 7 and that chip seems less suited for a console than Navi.
but even apple isnt pure custem, they use a arm based disgin, that they do pay fees for.
Could be a case of Lockheart still using AMD and Anaconda using NVidia. If you read the DF interview about back compat on Xbox One with 360 and OG Xbox games, they said they had both consoles running completely in software and as we know it's pretty much flawless emulation. What's to say they can't do the same with Xbox One games even though they're using an NVidia GPU?
The constant rumours speaking about MS wanting to be the performance leader also makes me lean towards NVidia too. Who knows though, we'll see in a months time.
Only with enough volume, there is no guarantee either console will sell enough to make back that investment.
If they were going to sell 100 million+ consoles per year? Sure, maybe they could save enough to make it a good investment. But consoles don't have the margins or volume to support either company investing in IP and engineers to make a custom SOC. It's cheaper to just pay AMD and let them handle it. Especially since even spinning up a custom SOC doesnt guarantee any kind of improvement over AMD's offerings. It's entirely possible they could sink all the money and time into a custom design and still fall short of what AMD can offer.
Holy crap, do NOT watch that video if you want to keep high TF dreams alive for next gen consoles. That guy not only has some sources over a long period of time, but maybe more importantly his common sense analysis of public comments by AMD CEO Lisa Su last fall when rumors were that Navi was showing well on its first tape out versus the delays and no public highlighting of Navi that still hasn't been revealed since then leaves you rather depressed that this is likely a legit concern.
Maybe Sony screwing around with AMD on this screwed us all over for next gen, LOL :)
Maybe Sony screwing around with AMD on this screwed us all over for next gen, LOL :)
Al people need to chill a little, he said at the end don't take it at 100% sure because he has multiple source saying different things. After it can take people back to earth.
Don't forget AMD GPU are not in the best position... Something would be very sad if AMD come back on track post Navi and post next generation console GPU for example.
Don't forget AMD GPU are not in the best position... Something would be very sad if AMD come back on track post Navi and post next generation console GPU for example.
Using Nvidia would be a nightmare if we talk about BC. They would need to start from scratch with their established BC layer that is based on AMD's GPU instruction set. Don't you think?
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For the 56 CU the `Updated "Planned Navi" Cards` table shows a TDP change from 180w to 190W, so a ~5% change.
Seems doable with a bit of creative engineering.
This is where we find out if the hardware boffins at Sony/MS are really earning their money... ;)
For the 56 CU the `Updated "Planned Navi" Cards` table shows a TDP change from 180w to 190W, so a ~5% change.
Seems doable with a bit of creative engineering.
This is where we find out if the hardware boffins at Sony/MS are really earning their money... ;)
What do you think made Google start now with Vega and not wait some more time for Navi? As they are not live anyway, their studios still have to release a single game, and games are not ported yet at all, they are actually not in a hurry. So what was the reason to even put those numbers out if they know they will beaten in a year. Why not totally skip that information as it will backfire at that time they are ready?
Wasn't there a rumor that MS was working on making it so Xbox One titles could run on PC in general?
I believe Brad Sams has stated the next gen scarlet boxes will be using Navi. He also talked about flash storage as well. So yes there are rumors they are using Navi. They could be just using Navi for Lockheart and AMD's next gen gpu for anaconda. But doubt that.
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