As it should be, perfect contrast between each platform holder. I'm sure their marketing departments are happy about that too.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Thanks for this info, very interesting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint
So this would be useful for a SSD cache + HDD since it doesn't run into the same problems as regular SSDs. Would be pretty crazy if Sony manages to put something like this inside the PS5.
Yep, it would be ideal for that, more so than actual NAND since you can address it like RAM, even if the speed is in between NAND and RAM. You can have quite a lot of the stuff for not that much more money than NAND and it would be ideal to use as a system suspend point, allowing the console to fully power down, even get unplugged, but still retain a hibernation state that it could restore from in a second or two.
We have no firm idea, but its hella suspect.
Considering how many there have been? You may have to be more specific.
We practically get like 1 every other day now.
Optane DIMMs are stupid expensive.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-optane-dimm-pricing-performance,39007.html
Wow.. come to think of it, since this drive acts like RAM, players would be able to instantly continue any game already saved on this drive, like a save state, even if you close the game. Also be able to have that 'instant start' for games that Sony is striving for.. interesting.
I expect anything with 'Intel' branding to be expensive lol... if Sony is using this tech I'm thinking they'll make a deal directly with Micron, not intel.
Ok, I'm riding on the HBM rumor hard for now. Looks like even if you use StoreMI, Optane, QuantX or whatever it looks like you need a fast DRAM
Right, but 3D XPoint chips aren't as expensive. Quite a lot of that cost is the crazy amount of integration on the DIMM. Voltage distribution, data loss prevention components, a microcontroller with ungodly I/O to manage the XPoint and interface to the memory bus, quite a lot of things that wouldn't need to be in a console designed for it.
Granted, it may still be a pipedream and Cerny wasn't promising something that grand for the SSD he was showing off.
What's the the speed on a 3dxpoint ? Because said 19 times faster, could we nail something down?
Same.
I'd expect Nvidia to have their 3000 series cards out in the same general time frame or shortly after. I can imagine CEO Jensen Huang saying something like:
"watch our second generation RTX technology just defecate all over the new consoles and their so-called ray-tracing capabilities. AMD's efforts are pathetic".
The 3000 series will be out before the next consoles 1000%, it's gonna be over two years since the 2000 series came out. If NVIDIA is going 7nm in the 3000 series, oh man, things are going down.
Pretty much. Improved Turing + 7nm will be a big boost.. The 3000 series will probably release in the first half of next year, then shortly after the consoles release, there will be another refresh.
High end GPUs will probably be around 50% faster than the are right now by the time the consoles are 6 months on the market.
Oh yeah you are right. The 3000 series could likely be out H1 (Q2?) 2020.
I'm wondering if the next series of Nvidia consumer / gaming GPUs will not be Ampere or something else, rather than Turing at 7nm.
If Nvidia has permanently split their HPC / AI / machine learning GPU line away from the consumer/gamer line, as with Volta and Turing, then perhaps Ampere (or whatever the successor to Volta is called) will not be what replaces Turing. I haven't kept up on the latest Nvidia rumors. Last I heard was Ampere is still Volta's successor.
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I really hope it's not some weird custom SSD + HDD solution. Just give us a straight up SSD (m.2 style) drive that's easily upgradable. Also, not having a 2.5" drive means it can be physically smaller (cooler too?).
I hope they also make a version with no optical drive. A completely solid state PlayStation would have a really nice "next gen" feel to it.
I hope they also make a version with no optical drive. A completely solid state PlayStation would have a really nice "next gen" feel to it.
for me the bigger question is do they use the extra space 7m gives them to increase tfps, or increase rtx performance?
Couple of things, if the system is designed around an ssd with the purposes of fast loading it may be soldered on or irreplaceable to begin with. Next, let's say you can change it, the kind of SSD we're talking about is a a 2 terabyte NVME, which is currently on "Sale" on amazon for $658. AS far as heat output, it's negligible difference, we're talking 2 to 3 degrees maybe. SSD will use less power and be slimmer form factor yes. But there's also a limited number of writes that ssd's have aka potentially lower lifespan than a standard HDD. Not to mention, if it's combo ssd hdd situation vs standard ssd. I'm betting that ssdhhd combo has more storage to begin with
not sure why sony is going with a high end ssd to start with. even a normal nvme drive is 2 1/2 to 3GBs. I cant think of a gaiming use case where you would need more than that, unless sony is really gunna use it as a expanded ram pool.
The NVDIMMs are about 28 times faster than NVME SSDs on speed and are multiple orders of magnitude better on latency and IOPS.
Even RAMBUS is going all in on HBM.
Wouldn't limited writes be a reason against soldered on ssd + hdd solution?
It is overblown. SSDs don't break down any faster than normal drives. Yes, it means it would be more expensive to replace once it does break down, but in my experience I had to replace disc drives more often than SSDs. Hopefully by the time you need it replaced, it had already gotten cheaper. As someone converted to SSD, I am a believer as it made my old laptop better than it ever was when it was brand new.
Won't happen because they want optimization between the two to be easy.
honestly I wounder how long hdds will matter. if ms/sony are buying 10s of millions a year, thats gunna couse ssd prices to crash even more.
while I agree it wont happen, its more doable on xbox since it tends to be just a bare bones version of windows with a custem gui.
What does Windows have to do with scaling Nvidia to AMD GPUs?
directx is more hardware nutrul. which the xbox uses directx.
Oh absolutely -- It's something very much on my mind. Will nvidia use the extra space / transistor density to increase the number of RT cores, or otherwise.
I've mentioned this before: I've been using a cheapo no-brand 16GB SD card for ReadyBoost cache on an older (now file-serving) system for the best part of a decade, and it lists less than 5MB of bad sectors due to wear.
That's crappy primitive NAND cells on ancient processes that managed to outlast some HDDs, already.
Stuff Sony is likely to ship will be significantly better than that, and will more than likely outlive the system.
That's crappy primitive NAND cells on ancient processes that managed to outlast some HDDs, already.
Stuff Sony is likely to ship will be significantly better than that, and will more than likely outlive the system.
If anything, people exaggerate SSD breakdown because of blowback on how cds were suppose to last hundreds of years, and the reality disappointed us.
Yes, SSD can weaken, but looks like it breaks down slower than spinning discs. If it didn't break down then SSD would basically cheat entropy.
There is just only so fast you can spin a frisbee, before it disintegrates. I am just amazed that I lived through an entire ERA of disc based digital media, from when it replaced cartridges to when cartridges comes back with a vengeance.
Yeah, 3DXpoint memory hasn't really lived up to the promise yet. The idea was you'd have the capacity of an SSD permanence of an SSD with the bandwidth of RAM.
Yeah, with the tech you could envision systems where you wouldn't need very much "working" memory. Like 8GB HBM backed by an Optane storage that is as fast as having all you games in a RAM drive.
24 GB, this number keeps comin' up over and over and over again. Every day 24GB kept getting rumored. 24GB, 24GB, I look in the internet, this whole thing is 24 GB!
Cerny couldn't have taken Optane into account right? Because I just saw the benchmarks and it's wild.
Not to mention it's around 1k, at least.
would games get enough out of it though? consoles arent servers or workstations. even in a open world game your not swaping data that much as to need a drive that fast.
theres alot ND could do in a year...ill stick 8)Honestly I think they'll just have PS5 patches for games like TLoU. When the PS5 comes out they'll just have a new print that says PS4/PS5 like MS did
Example of 360 game with Xbox One Branding. Maybe they can replace the banner below the logos with "Enhanced on PS5" or something like that.
Just a 'regular' SSD that is faster than PC SSDs right now and is at least 1TB and is user replaceable?
I think you might be able to have two of those but not all three
I want SSD+HDD *because* it means we can add an external drive for more storage - helpful for those with slower internet or simply those that don't want to manage the fridge
If the SSD is that fast it will either be too expensive for Sony to have a large one, or too expensive to allow users to upgrade it (or literally impossible if you can't actually buy the correct type)
their SSD is already custom (and supposedly has higher raw bandwidith than any existing SSD on PC), if they are going with just the SSD it wont be replaceable at all, if they are doing custom SSD +HDD then at least you will be able to replace the HDD in the console.
Really, one of the ways I can see Sony having all these (HBM, NVME SSD + optane-like solution) is they have actually signed a partnership with Samsung as their hardware manufacturer, but there's no news or leaks of that happening.
Samsung already has an Optane competitor with V-Nand.
Samsung already has an Optane competitor with V-Nand.
So I start marching my way down to Cerny in Wired and say "Cerrrr-ny! Cerrrr-ny! I gotta talk to you about RAM count," and when I open the site, what do I find? There's not a single goddamn figure in that article — there is. no. RAM count on the web... Half of the leaks in this thread are made up. This rumor mill is a goddamn ghost town.
Okay Tetra, I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these numbers exist, but they have been rumors on a daily basis. It's all they're talking about in here. Jesus Christ, dude. We are gonna lose our minds.
I think the more logical reasoning it won't happen is that nvidia can't supply an apu which would make costs skyrocket?
I was thinking about that 4chan rumor from a few days ago, how possible is a 18gb gddr6 and 6gb ddr4 for OS (accounting for roughly 2x more OS memory requriements) as ram configuration? i dont trust that rumor but 18GB for games and 6gb for OS sounds like an interesting configuration, especially if the 18gb is used just for games.
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