Probably Zen 2 Ryzen 7. Which is still hard to believe. Most likely will be based on Zen 2 Ryzen 5 but maybe its a devkit thing idk. The RAM speed puts it at HBM2 levels. Large amounts of VRAM and System RAM is just typical for Devkits tho.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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I think the CPU will be Zen 2 arch (obviously) at console-level voltages/TDP. Trying to compare it with desktop parts will just lead to disappointment IMO.
I believe Ryzen 7 is 8 core while Ryzen 5 is 6 core. Ryzen 7 makes sense for an early dev kit.
Could be the case as Ryzen is rumores to offer 8 cores in the R5 and R7 segment.
R7 offers better clock speeds but that is uninteresting for the console use case as the CPU would run about 3Ghz anyway. Lets talk about the CPU just as Zen 2 cores.
It is rumored that Ryzen 3000 have 8 core CPU in the R7 and the R5 segment as well. But from a technical standpoint they use the same cores, so for the console it is irrelevant if its R7 or R5 as long it is 8 cores.
Regarding current dev kits I would assume that those kits have Ryzen 2700X CPUs until the real silicon is avaliable
Thanks for the replies. Ok, so Ryzen 7 is 8 cores and Ryzen 5 is 6 cores. In the Wired article they did say the PS5 CPU uses 8 cores, so doesn't that strongly indicate Ryzen 7?
"The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture."
They're probably using current 12nm Zen 7 not unreleased 7nm Zen 7.
They'd only be using Zen+ Ryzen 7 to simulate core counts and performance. The real console will be 7nm Zen 2 8 core processor which is not out yet.
Hopefully!
I looked at this helpful RAM speed table from the old thread. Sure, there are some close numbers, but no exact match. Which is strange, because there is some kind of system behind those numbers (I think GDDR6 is mostly divisible by 8 for example), so what could be the reason for this? It could be HBM, but then the amount doesn't fit.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...speculation-secret-sauces-spicing-2019.91830/
If it's a $500 box I'm hoping they push out for 24Gb, with 4 for OS and 20 for games. Even then that is still by far the smallest leap in RAM capacity of any generation ever.
The random amount of RAM available in the dev kits suggests to me they have 24Gb in them, just with 6 reserved currently for the OS.
A PS5 with a 12+TF GPU, Zen CPU, SSD and 24Gb GDDR6 would be pretty sweet, I would happily pay $500 for that. It would be a huge leap over the current gen.
As said Ryzen 7 is just a segment in the Ryzen familiy with is defined by a lower and upper bound of the amount of cores.
For the current dev kits I would assume the same. But for the final silicon they just use 8 Zen 2 cores that are lower clocked than anything offered in the R5 or R7 segment so a comparison to the PC product isn't useful anyway.
The reason Sony made that Wired interview in the first place, at least in my opinion, is because they are ramping up sending out dev kits and wanted to get ahead of inevitable leaks. MS, it looks like, started sending out dev kits this month. So Sony and MS are sending out dev kits to developers at around the same time.
We should be getting leaks from both Sony and MS in the upcoming weeks.
We should be getting leaks from both Sony and MS in the upcoming weeks.
Looking at that table I see 18Gbps chips. All consumer cards have so far only used 14Gbps chips I believe? So why did Samsung send out that press release to all the tech sites about 18Gbps (specifically) going into mass production all the way back in January 2018?
I honestly don't even get why they need 4GB for the OS. Why not 3GB? Or it could very well be that the console will have 4/6GB of LPDDR4 exclusively or the OS an that doesn't show up in any of these leaks. As of 2017 4GB of LPDDR4 was around $27.
Okay, I missed on the rumor. I thought we were talking about dev kits in general.
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About the rumor. I give it no weight.
The current PS4 already uses 2.5Gb of RAM for the OS, I would imagine that the new console would probably reserve around 4Gb, but it is only a guess based on increasing OS requirements every generation.
The good thing about using basically the same architecture is that they can straight up port the PS4s OS and launch with basically feature parity. On a Zen core the thing would probably fly.
Forget about it, I probably am being to sensitive about it, I wouldn't report this to the mods, no rules were broken.
Yeah, this gets lost in the specs number crunching.
Hopefully both consoles have a better OS, UI experience next gen.
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If someone is able of clarifying this, I'd like to highlight it so we can clear up confusion over this LOL
Ooof honestly, that SSD implementation better be amazing for the games(not just loading screens) because at $499 in late 2020, based on these general specs alone, I think I wouldn't be that excited about the machine itself, whether a PS5 or an Xbox. I mean, games and services could make up for it but yeeeeaaaaaaah
Well, I guess this mentality is better than overhyping it though :p
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About the RAM matter, is a 16GB shared memory pool really enough for next-gen games? I'm mostly referring to textures come next-gen games. The CPU and SSD should help regarding the compression but a certain amount should still be a certain amount. On PC, there are "HD texture packs" available(like the recent Monster Hunter World one) that require 6-8GB minimum VRAM, not counting the extra storage required to download it(In the case of MHW, 40GB on HD textures alone. Larger than the original game). We're talking about textures aimed at 4K displays and such but still, I'd say next-gen games' textures should not fall far behind this, correct? I don't know how many console games out there allow for textures aimed at 4K displays(I know of Gears 4 on Xbox One X and I think that's it) but I'd expect games to use much more RAM and storage just on textures alone.
Again, I guess they could always heavily compress the textures and load them very quickly thanks to the jump on SSD and CPU alone?
Could someone enlighten me regarding this?
I dunno ps4 os is pretty perfect for me. It could load some things faster but the setup is pretty much as intuitive as I can imagine
Lol well you'd stop being impartial if you'd said that about ps3 which my god I went back to that recently to play something and it's sloooooooooow and clunky by comparison
Hey Phoenix Splash
Don't put too much weight into my price prediction. That is actually the weakest point of my baseline prediction.
But when it comes to cost I would say the following:
Cost goes up for SOC (even the same die size is more expensive with the new node process)
Increased cost for the SSD implementation
Even dram prices are falling you may end up with a cost increase for the amount of memory
(baseline here for those assumption are the price points of the mid-cycle consoles)
Don't put too much weight into my price prediction. That is actually the weakest point of my baseline prediction.
But when it comes to cost I would say the following:
Cost goes up for SOC (even the same die size is more expensive with the new node process)
Increased cost for the SSD implementation
Even dram prices are falling you may end up with a cost increase for the amount of memory
(baseline here for those assumption are the price points of the mid-cycle consoles)
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You can never have enough RAM. Never. This gen was the first in some time where games weren't completely RAM starved, but let's put it this way - the current Xbox One X has 12Gb of RAM. 16Gb would be a pretty severe disappointment for a next gen console especially if you're talking increased OS requirements which would probably mean not much more RAM than the X. 20-24Gb is what I am reasonably expecting (not including OS).
Sony have already toyed with some slower RAM in the Pro, I'm hoping they go the whole hog this time and have a separate 4-8Gb of DDR4/LPDDR4 for the OS and leave 24Gb of GDDR6 for the games.
Realistically to provide a big leap we're really talking a $500 console. But if it has the kind of specs floating around in this thread and also an SSD it's hard to complain at that price. Thing will be a beast.
it's possible with these super fast SSD's that some slower-memory functions could be handed off to the SSD (like some OS features for example)
Since even today Total RAM =/= Game Available RAM, the apples to apples comparison for Gen9 is to focus on game available memory.
PS4 base offers 5.5gb to games (is that right?) so even 12gb of system ram would be over 2x for games if some OS functions are running off the SSD
Just to complicate things :)
Since even today Total RAM =/= Game Available RAM, the apples to apples comparison for Gen9 is to focus on game available memory.
PS4 base offers 5.5gb to games (is that right?) so even 12gb of system ram would be over 2x for games if some OS functions are running off the SSD
Just to complicate things :)
I wounder how fast it will be, my standerd non specail 256 GB mvne that came in my pc from dell is 2 1/2 to 3 GBs, not the fastest thing in the world, but way faster than a sata 3 drive, which was about 4 to 5x the ps4 drive to start with. I cant see something like the samsung 970 evo being in the ps5.
Less interested in memory/storage and more interested in the CPU and how devs will use it. Any word on whether physics engines are being upgraded for next-gen games? R* and ND are going to go crazy with it.
I am too, honestly I think physics are prity good as is, but maybe we will see more environmental destruction nextgen ect.
Can't the bandwidth be anything based on GDDR6's clock speed? 15200Mhz would be 733GB/s
I'm wary of using SSD for SWAP since it could reduce lifetime. But yes, I could see streaming the HD capture buffer to the SSD.
I still think that water, hair, and cloth have a long way to go in terms of behaving realistically. We'll see if those get any improvements. This is a gif from GoW, one of my favorite games of all time. The water doesn't react at all how I expect it to, it looks like a flat texture:
I recall reading somewhere that they originally had a more "advanced" solution for water, but it was either too late to be implemented or the PS4 wasn't powerful enough.
But all this talk isn't accounting for the fact these new consoles are supposed to use an SSD. And a really fast one at that. If the rumors are true, and they are using NVMe SSDs they can literally flush 2GB worth of daa in an out of RAMon notice. The PS4 reserved 3GB of RAM for its OS, I really don't think next gen consoles needs to reserve any more than that. I mean we have android TV boxesthat has only 3GB of RAM and asfar as OS features and functions they run circles around these consoles anyways.
Exactly!!! thanks. I don't see why they can reserve a chunk of the SSD and use that as some sort of live CD to run parts of the OS off it. As you said the slower memory functions. f ou askme coupled with the SSD they can get away with only a 2GB reserve for the OS.
If rumors are true, then the PS5 is using an NVMe gen 4 drive. Thats double the throughput of NVMe gen 3 so we are looking at theoretical peaks of 8GB/s.
And according to Cerny himself, the SSD in the PS5 is faster than any SSD currently on the market.
Base PS4 allocates 4.5GB for games with an extra 500mb of "flexible" memory if I remember correctly, so the OS still ends up eating a whopping 3GB/3.5GB of the available RAM. I can see the PS5 OS taking up to 4GB/5GB so even if we take into consideration the SSD, 16GB is still not enough in my opinion. Also I'm no expert but doesn't games running at 4K with 4K textures easily hit the 8GB+ VRAM usage? That leaves very little room for the rest of the game data that also needs to be loaded into the RAM, or am I wrong?
in dev kits sure, but if so, thats a espensive drive for a $500 box, makes me wounder what sony's up too.
You're forgetting it's supposedly 8gig hbm2 plus 16 gigs of ddr4 at supposedly enthusiast level speed (2113?). So it's 20 gigs total for game.
Wow. A lot of hardware engineers in this thread.
Has anyone tried making their own base computer with all the wishlist items to see if they come up with one at $499?
Has anyone tried making their own base computer with all the wishlist items to see if they come up with one at $499?
I still think that water, hair, and cloth have a long way to go in terms of behaving realistically. We'll see if those get any improvements. This is a gif from GoW, one of my favorite games of all time. The water doesn't react at all how I expect it to, it looks like a flat texture:
I recall reading somewhere that they originally had a more "advanced" solution for water, but it was either too late to be implemented or the PS4 wasn't powerful enough.
Ray tracing is gonna make all the reflections on everything look really great instead of the screen space reflections used in gow
Ok maybe I didn't get that part right. I said that based on Albert's ideia of PS5 having only 12GB total allocated for games. Or was he excluding the 8GB HBM VRAM?
Well, the HMB2 rumor said that developers would have 20gb (of the 24) for games, regardless the type of memory, since AMD's HBCC technology would automatically manage that.
It doesn't really matter if it's in the JEDEC standard if no-one actually manufactures the chips.
AFAIK, SK Hynix and Samsung has said they will only offer 1GB (8Gb) and 2GB (16Gb) chips.
Dunno about Micron but my google-fu comes up blank.
It would be pretty impressive for Sony to put 12Gb memory chips in a devkit that nobody is currently manufacturing.
I'm gonna jot this one down as a pretty conspicuous fake:
Umm? You are aware that economies of scale have a big impact when you're making millions of identical consoles when compared with making your own PC from off the shelf parts at retail prices?
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