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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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Brighter. A console with an SSD NVME at PCIE 4.0 would be derided as fanboy drivel if someone seriously said that a month ago
Don't remind me... Almost 2 years! from the first next-gen hints and still 18 months to go....dammit!
Do you expect Ana and PS5 to be priced the same?
Because if it is the same case as the pro + 1x and the Ana is 20watts higher, I would of expected higher then 20% more tflops.
If ps5 is 20watts less and uses a blower
fan with a standard heatsink, while the Ana uses a Vapour chamber I would expect 30-40% more tflops.
Then again I would expect a Vapour chamber in PS5, they are quite common in graphics cards and they don't look all that expensive, they are just a think copper vaccum.
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I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a Spring 2020 ticket and I don't like it!
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Beautiful. We truly made it. We're finally reaching this point.
Haha! I was actually going to ask you about the poll and yes, teraflops seems like the way to go based on the amount of discussion during the previous thread. Because including options for each console seems a bit complicated, let's just go with the overall max.teraflops for next-gen launch consoles(PS5, Anaconda... Lockhart?) just like Colbert posted
The alternative could be memory amount but teraflops seems more fitting.
Yep! Everything seems to point out to this event being the nearest event we should be keeping our eyes on
I wonder how likely it is they may go up from the 1.8 GHz that's used to calculate those numbers. I know that's already quite high, but I seem to recall some people speculating as high as 2GHz on the old thread.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/i3TnTKk
This is the full reddit leak from 3 months ago saying 4tf Lockhart. It could very well all be bullshit. But here are a few reason why it could be real.
- Klobrille who has leaked a lot of Xbox stuff teased a possible relic acquisition after this.
- ssd's Have been confirmed for all 3 consoles.
- bleeding edge has since been leaked to be coming. And it fits the late 2020 timeline.
-turn 10 recently said they where switching to full focus on next motorsports game and they confirmed no game in 2019 so that makes it a 2020 title.
- Richard with digital foundry seams to believe all 3 console are in that 4,8,12 tf range.
This is the full reddit leak from 3 months ago saying 4tf Lockhart. It could very well all be bullshit. But here are a few reason why it could be real.
- Klobrille who has leaked a lot of Xbox stuff teased a possible relic acquisition after this.
- ssd's Have been confirmed for all 3 consoles.
- bleeding edge has since been leaked to be coming. And it fits the late 2020 timeline.
-turn 10 recently said they where switching to full focus on next motorsports game and they confirmed no game in 2019 so that makes it a 2020 title.
- Richard with digital foundry seams to believe all 3 console are in that 4,8,12 tf range.
InFO has power and thermal advantages. 10-15% in its original incarnation.
Just 2 more months for the Nextbox blowout and a few more weeks for hopefully more PS5 details.
Still going for a lock $399 in price for PS5.
Still going for a lock $399 in price for PS5.
Since were throwing out predictions I'll throw my two cents in.
PS5 - 12-13TF $499
Xbox Anaconda - ~15TF $499 (MS will probably take a hit on each system sold)
Both Fall 2020.
Xbox Lockhart (post launch) $199 - 4TF digital only box mainly intended to be used for streaming but can run games at 1080P.
I know the Xbox rumors but I do not believe MS will launch with 2 SKU's I believe Lockhart will come out maybe 6 months to a year later so Anaconda can be the focus and be viewed as the main console
PS5 - 12-13TF $499
Xbox Anaconda - ~15TF $499 (MS will probably take a hit on each system sold)
Both Fall 2020.
Xbox Lockhart (post launch) $199 - 4TF digital only box mainly intended to be used for streaming but can run games at 1080P.
I know the Xbox rumors but I do not believe MS will launch with 2 SKU's I believe Lockhart will come out maybe 6 months to a year later so Anaconda can be the focus and be viewed as the main console
Now that an industry veteran is on the team, nothing can go wrong!
as he points out in his video tdp comes in to play, and even the x with vaper chamber cooling uses 40cus. what do people think the cu count can be on a apu? maybe 40 to 45 cus on 7 nm?
Yeah, I must've missed that too. I can't recall Richard claiming he belives 8TF for the PS5 to be realistic.
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If you tack on the DDR4 bandwidth to the total (yielding 537.6 total), doing the GB/s per TF calculation gets you a range of 10.75TF to 13.44TF.
I didn't notice before, but the reddit post indicates a quad-channel DDR4 interface @ 3200 MT/s. That's quite substantial, especially when you consider desktop Ryzen is paired with dual-channel DDR4. Maybe allotting extra bandwidth for overhead from moving data between the two pools and for the GPU to use directly when the GPU and CPU are working on the same data?
If you tack on the DDR4 bandwidth to the total (yielding 537.6 total), doing the GB/s per TF calculation gets you a range of 10.75TF to 13.44TF.
I didn't notice before, but the reddit post indicates a quad-channel DDR4 interface @ 3200 MT/s. That's quite substantial, especially when you consider desktop Ryzen is paired with dual-channel DDR4. Maybe allotting extra bandwidth for overhead from moving data between the two pools and for the GPU to use directly when the GPU and CPU are working on the same data?
I'm in team 12.0 or 12.9tf. Either of those would be swell, on top of all the little nips tucks and tweaks platform holders perform...
PS5 APU size likely 350mm2. Seems to be the ceiling for APUs in general.
8 core Zen 2: 70mm2
Various IO logic + sound chip + others: 50mm2
230mm2 for GPU will be enough space for around 45-50CUs.
8 core Zen 2: 70mm2
Various IO logic + sound chip + others: 50mm2
230mm2 for GPU will be enough space for around 45-50CUs.
lol no.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-is-amd-gonzalo-the-ps5-processor-in-theory
Look at the bold, they simply don't know.
a 50 cu chip would most likely go past tdp budget though if the df video is right.
I don't see why you'd have this sort of a device. For streaming you go with a cheap dongle-ish device. Your streaming box at this price would just kill the chances of success of your streaming business.
I honestly hadn't considered adding them. I was treating the HBM like a cache, but that's not appropriate in this case given how HBCC is essentially managing the entire memory space. Hmmm. That's a giant TF window. I'll edit this into my post.
Do you add the 3GB/s from the SSD too? I assume that's a direct PCIe link right into the SoC. If that were all true, it would be some type of new Christmas.
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He meantioned 8-9 tf's in one of his videos. Can't find it now.He says the top of the premium console should be 10-12tf. So he seams conservative.
Hey, rep your team!
But you really think that is possible? Or you just messing around?
Do it!
Yep, looking pretty good no matter where it ends up. Even the lowest predictions (8tf) would yield great stuff.
Doesn't Stadia slot in at 10.7TF instead of the mentioned 9.7TF?
So interpreting the article correctly, Eurogamer thinks the PS5 is about 10TF now and Anaconda is about 12TF?
Yeah and he confirms his expectations about 4TF and 12 TF Lockhart/Anaconda.
PS5 will be somewhere in between,i agree :)
lol, welcome :)
I know there's no direct evidence for a dual chiplet GPU, but the possibility seems to be there. Of course the beginning of AdoredTV's latest video might indicate the dream of multi-GPU could be dead :(
I was really hoping that whatever technique Stadia is using to stack instances for better performance could be used on the chiplet to chiplet level to stack better performance
I wouldn't since it's not "working " memory, it's swap. If anything, it lowers the available bandwidth when utilized.
2 things
- Parts will have gone down in price by fall 2020 which is the rumored release date, 10TF by then, will be considered pretty much below the threshold of the expected hardware level for next gen.
- The rumored 2 skus for next-gen could alterate and change everything. We'd be looking at a new console strategy that could give breathing room for the console manufacturers and introduce a very powerful high-end experience for consoles especially for 2020. Somewhat on the ballpark of 14TF.
Lockhart $299:
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 6 Teraflops
RAM 12GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB SSD
PS5 $499:
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 10 Teraflops
RAM 16GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB NVMe SSD
Anaconda $499:
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 12 Teraflops
RAM 16GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB NVMe SSD
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 6 Teraflops
RAM 12GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB SSD
PS5 $499:
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 10 Teraflops
RAM 16GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB NVMe SSD
Anaconda $499:
CPU Zen 2 @ 3.2GHz
GPU Navi 12 Teraflops
RAM 16GB GDDR6
ROM 1TB NVMe SSD
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He thinks its quite a reasonable number for PS5 which it kinda is, especially at $399.
Rich does have this sort of sixth sense or gut feeling based on experience not to be ambitious with new console specs.
While I do think this is true in some cases, I don't think its a certainty.
the X1X was quite the SURPRISE, this gens tflop figures were pretty disappointing, but I wouldn't use this gen as an indicator, I feel more optimism this gen with Sony making record profits and MS's rejuvenated focus on gaming, I have a feeling they won't be as Conservative this time.
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Well I know a summer release is definitely unprecedented, but almost anything seems to be on the table at this point with this new, unpredictable Sony. lol
That's a good point, it's bandwidth going the other way. Still, 3GB/s or so is negligible.
It will be interesting to see how HBCC handles it all, and if firmware updates are pushed to devs to improve it over time. We don't want ESRAM all over again.
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