Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019

pg2g · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
So you are both on team $299 + $499?

Yeah I am. I think they are looking for both a price differentiator (for mass market) and performance differentiator (for enthusiasts). If, for example, the consoles came in at 10, 12, and 14 TF... I could easily see people saving the money and going lockhart. Numbers obviously pulled out of thin air.

bsigg · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
So you are both on team $299 + $499?

I've been there since the rumors started that there would be 2 different skus at launch.

A $100 difference doesn't seem like enough to me to justify launching 2 separate skus. It seems like a weird way to stretch resources when most outlets would likely just recommend the higher priced box at that point.

DriftingSpirit · Apr 8, 2019

Yeah, I can agree with the $299 (Lock) and $499 (PS5/Snek).

Ascenion · Apr 8, 2019

DriftingSpirit said:
Yeah, I can agree with the $299 (Lock) and $499 (PS5/Snek).

We sure a single SKU at $499 is a thing Sony would do?

orochi91 · Apr 8, 2019

Ascenion said:
We sure a single SKU at $499 is a thing Sony would do?

They wouldn't.

I'd be surprised if they let an Xbox SKU undercut them right out the gate.

anexanhume · Apr 8, 2019

orochi91 said:
They wouldn't.

I'd be surprised if they let an Xbox SKU undercut them right out the gate.

They're not getting to Lockhart levels without multiple SKUs or a weak console.

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

My only issue with $299 lockhart price is how are MS going to cut $200 off the price.

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
PS5 + Anaconda = $499

This is what I'm hoping for. $500 is absolutely not too much for a piece of tech that could last you 6 to 7 years.

elzeus · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
My only issue with $299 lockhart price is how are MS going to cut $200 off the price.

GPU, hard drive size, no disc drive and lower rated PSU will easily make up the $200 retail price difference.

anexanhume · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
My only issue with $299 lockhart price is how are MS going to cut $200 off the price.

Smaller/cheaper die. Less and smaller memory. Those will be the main methods, as those are the two most costly components. They could even do 8/12GB again. Going with a half sized SSD could save another 20 to 30.

DriftingSpirit · Apr 8, 2019

Ascenion said:
We sure a single SKU at $499 is a thing Sony would do?

Given the comment from Jason about the TFs, I would say it is more than possible. Sony is also in a much, much better financial position to support it.

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

Leocarian said:
This is what I am hearing as well.

What are you two hearing on PS5? I hope they aren't cheaping out. I think you said $500 before.

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

orochi91 said:
They wouldn't.

I'd be surprised if they let an Xbox SKU undercut them right out the gate.

Lockhart will undercut them even at $399. It will be cheaper than that. So might as well not even factor that in.

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

elzeus said:
GPU, hard drive size, no disc drive and lower rated PSU will easily make up the $200 retail price difference.

anexanhume said:
Smaller/cheaper die. Less and smaller memory. Those will be the main methods, as those are the two most costly components. They could even do 8/12GB again.

The leak that suggested the $299 +$499 split also stated that both would use NVMe ssd (backed up by hmqgg )

I suppose 1/2 the tflops and 2gb less ram might get them close enough.

$299/£249 is one hell of a steal to play next gen games I might get one of it can manage 1440p.

But one other thing, in the reddit leak lockhart is rumoured to be 4tflops, which makes sense if it's aiming for 1080p and anaconda is 12tflops and aiming for 4k.

anexanhume · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
The leak that suggested the $299 +$499 split also stated that both would use NVMe ssd (backed up by hmqgg )

I suppose 1/2 the tflops and 2gb less ram might get them close enough.

$299/£249 is one hell of a steal to play next gen games I might get one of it can manage 1440p.

But one other thing, in the reddit leak lockhart is rumoured to be 4tflops, which makes sense if it's aiming for 1080p and anaconda is 12tflops and aiming for 4k.

I would treat Lockhart as a 1080p machine. Probably with slower WiFi as well.

bsigg · Apr 8, 2019

anexanhume said:
I would treat Lockhart as a 1080p machine. Probably with slower WiFi as well.

I would love to see Microsoft's data on what resolution Xbox Ones are set to output to. I wonder what % of active users have moved to 4K capable panels.

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

anexanhume said:
I would treat Lockhart as a 1080p machine. Probably with slower WiFi as well.

4tflop would make sense, because the split for 1080p to 4k is roughly 3x the tflops, like ps4 is 1.84 x 3 = 5.52tflops.

Mmmm, interesting.

The only problem with this though is what if devs decide to do 1440p on anaconda? They gonna do 720p on lockhart?

Leocarian · Apr 8, 2019

Imitation Of Life said:
What are you two hearing on PS5? I hope they aren't cheaping out. I think you said $500 before.

I don't remember saying anything about PS5s price in particular. However, if my memory is failing me please do find an older post of mine talking about PS5s price.

You might be talking about someone else.

DriftingSpirit · Apr 8, 2019

Lock - ~4tf
PS5/Snek - ~12tf

?

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

Leocarian said:
I don't remember saying anything about PS5s price in particular. However, if my memory is failing me please do find an older post of mine talking about PS5s price.

You might be talking about someone else.

I guess it wasn't you. Maybe I'm thinking about the Reddit leaker. Too many sources to keep track of. But do you have an idea on the price?

DriftingSpirit said:
Lock - ~4tf
PS5/Snek - ~12tf

?

I can't see Lockhart having less TF than the One X.

Son Goku · Apr 8, 2019

Surely they couldn't make a 4tf machine and call it "next gen" when the X would be more powerful

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

Son Goku said:
Surely they couldn't make a 4tf machine and call it "next gen" when the X would be more powerful

Lockhart would still be better because of the CPU, but I agree it won't have less TF.

Neilg · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
What are the numbers on that table?
Did 343 spend $1568 in 2018 on materials and energy?

1.5m, and I think it might be cdpr from the posts?
Anyway, financial reports like that are in thousands. 1,000 is a million.

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

Son Goku said:
Surely they couldn't make a 4tf machine and call it "next gen" when the X would be more powerful

I think it would make more sense to spec it higher then needed 5/6btflops if aiming for 1080p because some devs are bound to use 4kcb/1440p on the high end machines.

But if 12tflop machine are doing next gen games at 4k, a 4tflop would look exactly the same at 1080p, games would a lot better then the pro and X lol

pg2g · Apr 8, 2019

I think they'd probably leave enough overhead to be able to handle Anaconda games that targeted 1440p at 1080p.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Apr 8, 2019

Lockhart can just be touted as 3x more powerful than Xbox one S. While anaconda is 5x

299
499

Edit: NVM lol.l just googled the tf power... Oh yeah I'm wrong hahahaha

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

pg2g said:
I think they'd probably leave enough overhead to be able to handle Anaconda games that targeted 1440p at 1080p.

One would certainly hope so, otherwise lockhart will be running into the same problems the X1S is now.

VallenValiant · Apr 8, 2019

Imitation Of Life said:
This is what I'm hoping for. $500 is absolutely not too much for a piece of tech that could last you 6 to 7 years.

By that argument, PS3 wasn't too much either. Most would buy a 399 ps5 anyway, so Sony has no reason to raise the price. There is no incentive to raise the ps5 price other than to help Microsoft.

SharpX68K · Apr 8, 2019

Not directly related to next-gen consoles specifically, this

orochi91 said:
Snek

looool

Snek must be Nintendo's next console. Snes4k

Anyway, a reminder: 8 Things You Need To Know About Next-Gen Console Leaks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7UqpH6FLq

Imitation Of Life · Apr 8, 2019

VallenValiant said:
By that argument, PS3 wasn't too much either. Most would buy a 399 ps5 anyway, so Sony has no reason to raise the price. There is no incentive to raise the ps5 price other than to help Microsoft.

Incentive to give the hardcore a better machine that won't be lacking immediately. $500 now is a lot different than $500/$600 back in 2006 btw.

Anthony Hopkins · Apr 8, 2019

If lockhart is $299/£279 then the value of the X1X is going to tank so hard, no one's going to want them.

Son Goku · Apr 8, 2019

Imitation Of Life said:
Incentive to give the hardcore a better machine that won't be lacking immediately. $500 now is a lot different than $500/$600 back in 2006 btw.

I also think there would be a big difference in that they presumably wouldn't reinvent the wheel and give developers an architecture they hate and would instead just give them more of what they want

Son Goku · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
If lockhart is $299/£279 then the value of the X1X is going to tank so hard, no one's going to want them.

At this point the X1 is selling pretty terribly. In a year and a half they're going to care very little what tiny amount of units they can still sell of it

Kyoufu · Apr 8, 2019

We're back to 4TF? lol. They're not going to make a PS4 Pro-level GPU for their "next-gen" console when they've the past couple of years telling you how much better the X is than the Pro.

bsigg · Apr 8, 2019

Anthony Hopkins said:
If lockhart is $299/£279 then the value of the X1X is going to tank so hard, no one's going to want them.

With full BC for Xbox One games, that won't matter. I would expect the Xbox One line of consoles to continue to receive support but are only there in passing to really move the Xbox brand forward to what's new.

Leocarian · Apr 8, 2019

Imitation Of Life said:
I guess it wasn't you. Maybe I'm thinking about the Reddit leaker. Too many sources to keep track of. But do you have an idea on the price?

I can't see Lockhart having less TF than the One X.

I do not have any idea on the price for the PlayStation 5 as of today.

itchi · Apr 8, 2019

Kyoufu said:
We're back to 4TF? lol. They're not going to make a PS4 Pro-level GPU for their "next-gen" console when they've the past couple of years telling you how much better the X is than the Pro.

Well there is not much else they could be doing. Making 2 4k system with 1 running on high settings and the other on medium doesn't make much sense.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Apr 8, 2019

Son Goku said:
At this point the X1 is selling pretty terribly. In a year and a half they're going to care very little what tiny amount of units they can still sell of it

is it really?

TheTruthofKayle · Apr 8, 2019

I'm a little out of the loop (working too much on this days) ..who confirmed ps5 @ 599?

Leocarian · Apr 8, 2019

TheTruthofKayle said:
I'm a little out of the loop (working too much on this days) ..who confirmed ps5 @ 599?

100% not me lol.

SharpX68K · Apr 8, 2019

Lockhart 4TF GPU has to be bullshit.

A 4TF GPU in a Microsoft console that plays Scarlett games, would be for the inexpensive (sub $200) xCloud streaming device that still needs some amount of compute power.

No way Lockhart is 4TF haha.

Unless Lockhart IS the cheap streaming device.

It's been assumed for some time that there would be 3 devices under the Scarlett umbrella.

1. Anaconda
2. Lockhart
3. inexpensive streaming device which relies mostly on xCloud but needs some compute to reduce latency.

So maybe the TFlops for those machines are:

12 TF
8 TF
4 TF

TheTruthofKayle · Apr 8, 2019

Leocarian said:
100% not me lol.

Well because logic let me think that it will 399.....leave Lockhart free market at 299 is stupid as fuck......I would be VERy shocked if the ps5 is a 499 with a lockart out at 299 or also a 399

Edit: sorry I realized I wrote 599 on the first post Here in Italy are the 5.44 am ahahah

Deleted member 721 · Apr 8, 2019

the reddit leak/rumor said 499, i dont remember someone else

Leocarian · Apr 8, 2019

TheTruthofKayle said:
Well because logic let me think that it will 399.....leave Lockhart free market at 299 is stupid as fuck......I would be VERy shocked if the ps5 is a 499 with a lockart out at 299 or also a 399

If the PlayStation 5 is the only console from Sony that's competing for Lockhart and Anaconda is being sold at $499 then that would imply that Sony is confident enough in their exclusives and the hardware power of PlayStation 5 that it is providing at that specific price (despite it being weaker than Anaconda).

This is if assuming the Anaconda is selling at $499 which is what most people has been kind of throwing around.

Honestly, though, I am not sure if 1 SKU is a good idea for Sony, but I have a weird feeling that Sony is becoming arrogant again and we all know what arrogant Sony likes to do so. I would not be too surprised I guess if that turns out to be the case.

grosbard · Apr 9, 2019

Leocarian said:
If the PlayStation 5 is the only console from Sony that's competing for Lockhart and Anaconda is being sold at $499 then that would imply that Sony is confident enough in their exclusives and the hardware power of PlayStation 5 that it is providing at that specific price (despite it being weaker than Anaconda).

This is if assuming the Anaconda is selling at $499 which is what most people has been kind of throwing around.

Honestly, though, I am not sure if 1 SKU is a good idea for Sony, but I have a weird feeling that Sony is becoming arrogant again and we all know what arrogant Sony likes to do so. I would not be too surprised I guess if that turns out to be the case.

Why do you think Sony is getting arrogant again?

TheTruthofKayle · Apr 9, 2019

Leocarian said:
If the PlayStation 5 is the only console from Sony that's competing for Lockhart and Anaconda is being sold at $499 then that would imply that Sony is confident enough in their exclusives and the hardware power of PlayStation 5 that it is providing at that specific price (despite it being weaker than Anaconda).

This is if assuming the Anaconda is selling at $499 which is what most people has been kind of throwing around.

Honestly, though, I am not sure if 1 SKU is a good idea for Sony, but I have a weird feeling that Sony is becoming arrogant again and we all know what arrogant Sony likes to do so. I would not be too surprised I guess if that turns out to be the case.

Exactly ..this is what I'm thinking too...1 SKU strategy isn't gonna work with a competitor that is eating ur lower price market and at the same time on specs ..(if everything align with the past confirmed rumors)
I'm one who think that power matter...(lots) but for most buyers 100 or more dollars are enough to change idea instantly. For this reason I would say that would be stupid an Anaconda at 499 without a lockhart for the entry level market ...as it would be stupid (if we accept the existence of Lockhart) the PS5 a 499 leaving the biggest part of the market to Lockhart. This is the ABC ..IMHO PS5 is 399 or Sony have another sku.....or if Lockhart exist ...would be a PS3 gen again especially if Anaconda end up being more powerful at the same price .

James Sawyer Ford · Apr 9, 2019

Leocarian said:
If the PlayStation 5 is the only console from Sony that's competing for Lockhart and Anaconda is being sold at $499 then that would imply that Sony is confident enough in their exclusives and the hardware power of PlayStation 5 that it is providing at that specific price (despite it being weaker than Anaconda).

This is if assuming the Anaconda is selling at $499 which is what most people has been kind of throwing around.

Honestly, though, I am not sure if 1 SKU is a good idea for Sony, but I have a weird feeling that Sony is becoming arrogant again and we all know what arrogant Sony likes to do so. I would not be too surprised I guess if that turns out to be the case.

Why is it assumed that Anaconda is more powerful than PS5 if they are the same price?

Vulcan Logic · Apr 9, 2019

James Sawyer Ford said:
Why is it assumed that Anaconda is more powerful than PS5 if they are the same price?

He didn't say that

Imitation Of Life · Apr 9, 2019

James Sawyer Ford said:
Why is it assumed that Anaconda is more powerful than PS5 if they are the same price?

I was wondering the same thing.

Vulcan Logic said:
He didn't say that

That is exactly what he said. Read it again. Along with some arrogant Sony talk with nothing to support it.

TheTruthofKayle · Apr 9, 2019

James Sawyer Ford said:
Why is it assumed that Anaconda is more powerful than PS5 if they are the same price?

At the same price is a 50% & 50% ..but I would bet all of my money on Panay :)) that man don't miss a shot

Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019

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First half of 2019

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