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Next-Gen Hair Tech: "Every Strand Counts - Physics and Rendering Behind Frostbite's Hair"
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Any team using Frostbite can look into integrating this work if they are interested. So I wouldn't be surprised if you see other FB games using it. :)
In the presentation, having wet hair is part of the improvement they want to have in future iteration.
One thing hair physics in games as well as in CGI movies get wrong all the time is the movement. It is usually way too floaty and soft. Real hair is stickier especially if not freshly washed and it doesn't float as if you are under water. It is fairly heavy and steady.
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Death Stranding: Ultimate Strand Edition - now with better hair
This tech could apply to beards too, no?
Is that the Google guy?
A game where everyone looks like Patches...
Some FIFA PS5 pics from twitter:
The hair of Cavani are too much "fluid animation" and need a little bit of tweaking to have more weight.
But it sooooo impressive.
Yep. Old god beards, now with L'Oreal feel because he's worth it.
The most jarring thing about that video is how every character feels like they're floating. They have no weight.
It's a little bit...floaty. I feel like subtlety is something Devs are scared of or something. It's like when they motion capture faces the annunciations are often hyper exaggerated almost in an attempt to make sure you notice the impressive tech more. But it ends up looking a bit weird. And I feel like hair tech is similar. Especially true for shorter hair styles. Short hair doesn't really flop around at all unless it has some serious wind force applied to it. But if it was as subtle as it is in reality, they'd maybe consider it devaluing the tech since less people will actively notice it...the solution. Crank up those sliders and make everyone look like they're underwater! They'll be sure to notice then! Lol
The presentation has other examples of hair movement that aren't as flowing looking as the shots the OP put in their post.
Watched that FIFA21 tweet video. Too floaty, overly shiny and individual strands of hair are too visible at any given time.
Impressive direction for hair tech, but still needs tuning to bring it back from uncanny valley so ones brain doesn't yell how hair is off and isn't real.
Impressive direction for hair tech, but still needs tuning to bring it back from uncanny valley so ones brain doesn't yell how hair is off and isn't real.
oh man, is there any explanation for this,Meanwhile at Ubisoft..
like what is this !?
We finally have medium lenght hair that doesn't look like a plastic helmet and people complain that it's too shiny, floaty, whatevery.
We'll get there.
I'm sure when the tech has to be applied to a few main characters instead of hundreds of football players, developers will be able to tweak things to produce more believable results; the tech itself is incredible.
We'll get there.
I'm sure when the tech has to be applied to a few main characters instead of hundreds of football players, developers will be able to tweak things to produce more believable results; the tech itself is incredible.
Because it's not perfect, so it's trash.
Yeah the movements are too floaty but the tech is there, they can tweak it however they want and here they made it a bit over-the-top to make it more obvious I suppose. The tech in itself is really good looking, can't wait to see what they'll do with that in other games.
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Nah.. good looking hair is pretty important. Especially when striving for realism like these sports titles do.
It looks like Frostbite has finally been given enough power for all its next-gen features. I was always immensely impressed by this engine but at the start of the 7th generation it always seemed like it was lacking. Now I only have to wait for a game with it...(no interest in sports games and Star Wars)
Replays are 30fps so I guess not too great.
Although to be honest I've been watching some next-gen footage from actual gameplay and I struggle to notice this even during replays.
Next they need to combine this hair physics with sweat tech for the ultimate sports games.
What with humans being quite common in games and hair always having been a problem area, advancements in this area make sense.
But it still feels a little...you want to see the increased processing power used for something that affects games beyond the presentation.
Presumably that's being worked on as well though.
Aside from there being like a lack of friction or weight or something, they've done a really good job at this. Looks impressive, like a generational leap.
From just playing games, you know how easy it is for physics to glitch out because of clipping+bounding boxes. And this looks like a lot of physics in a small area.
If those kinds of physics calamities don't happen then I'm really impressed. But also I would like to see footage of it happening.
FIFA glitches are among the best out there. And on some level I would like for that legacy to continue.
The man just turns into a UFO.
What with humans being quite common in games and hair always having been a problem area, advancements in this area make sense.
But it still feels a little...you want to see the increased processing power used for something that affects games beyond the presentation.
Presumably that's being worked on as well though.
Aside from there being like a lack of friction or weight or something, they've done a really good job at this. Looks impressive, like a generational leap.
From just playing games, you know how easy it is for physics to glitch out because of clipping+bounding boxes. And this looks like a lot of physics in a small area.
If those kinds of physics calamities don't happen then I'm really impressed. But also I would like to see footage of it happening.
FIFA glitches are among the best out there. And on some level I would like for that legacy to continue.
The man just turns into a UFO.
Some FIFA PS5 pics from twitter:
Cavanni's hair looking like the smoke monster from Lost.
Whoops, you are totally right! My bad. But yeah, like you said, still really great stuff. I don't know if there's a difference, either.
But then he wouldn't be an egg anymore and my streak of terrible egg puns would be over :(
I'm getting a bit of these vibes:
There seems to be a sense of uniformity in acceleration (and consequent speed) to every strand, and that is not often so with real hair clumped with sweat and dirt (plus inherent differences between players' individual hair attributes). So the different & changing force vectors acting on each strand per unit time looks be rightly shown, but what restraints portions of the hair and inhibits this fluid movement, is yet to be there.
All that said, this is a notable step forward where it is more physics driven than previous iterations and with time, it should get better. And perhaps the biggest benefit is that I no longer see any egregious clipping issues. As mentioned before, I do not care for it in FIFA given at the general camera distance (plus EA has yet to show off this during real time matches as opposed to these nice vertical slices that look like replays and/or intros) it will likely not be notable.
Let's see this tech in UFC or Fight Night (if that's still a thing) where the camera is much closer to the characters, as well as third person titles so that the computational cost of this tech can be assessed (by way of LoD, no. of supported characters on screen simultaneously etc).
imagine if you punch him again tho, the glorious mane of the dread wolf flying around
Compromise: give him the glorious mane as his demon Dread Wolf form so we get the amazing hair physics when we punch him, but still have the normal egg form to let the punnage continue. I just want to continue saying how I want to smash some eggs! It's too good a phrase to give up