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Newest Doom Eternal Update on PC adds Denuvo Anti-Cheat, that uses a kernel-mode driver
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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I think people here dont realize that anti cheat is basically in most multiplayer games and works the same damn way. This is a non story. Only cause it has the name "denuvo" people are getting up in arms about it for no goddamned reason. With pc and its open architecture you need some sort of way of preventing cheaters.
That shouldn't need hosting server.
It should be connecting to a server.
This is single player game. Presumable those who bought it are also OK with Denvumo DRM because this launched with it.
Quite, and only the person I quoted said it was a server based on seemingly nothing but it requiring a specific port. It's far more likely just used for a socket.
Nah, it's because of the kernel mode driver. The name Denuvo doesn't mean anything. I'd be even more irate if it was Vamguard's anti cheat or Black Desert Online's which are even more disasterous.
The DRM is shit but IMO it doesn't damage your system security, so I can tolerate it.
maybe you're ok with virii and hackers stealing your data if you think this is a non story, but it is factually a matter of concern. Some people really don't care, that's their choice. But this discussion is very important.
Plainly put, Denuvo isn't good enough at security to be trusting your personal computer to their competence.
Just as a little reminder the company that became Denuvo created SecuROM. That DRM got disabled by Microsoft with a security update, because of the threat it posed.
Microsoft was working on an anti-cheat system for Windows 10, the problem according to this article was it was being developed for UWP games which developers have largely ignored developing for so Microsoft stopped working on their anti-cheat system:
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The world’s biggest PC games are fighting a new surge of cheaters and hackers
Some game developers are using unique and controversial ways to combat cheating.
www.theverge.com
Denuvo launched this kernel mode anti-cheat totally out of the blue on the same day as Doom Eternal's Denuvo anti-cheat update:
blog.irdeto.com
Denuvo Anti-Cheat goes LIVE! A message to DOOM Eternal fans and gamers
After three years of Irdeto’s Denuvo team working to build a multiplayer anti-cheat solution, we are excited to announce Denuvo Anti-Cheat goes LIVE today to protect the BATTLEMODE multiplayer of DOOM Eternal on PC! We are committed to being fully transparent, so here’s a list of what our...
blog.irdeto.com
Here's a video showing the problems Denuvo anti-cheat has introduced to Doom Eternal through this most recent update:
Not declaring this before release is really scummy.
I don't care about multiplayer but I had to let it install to be able to finish the campaign.
They should've broken off multiplayer into its own client. Forcing this stuff for single player is bad form.
I don't care about multiplayer but I had to let it install to be able to finish the campaign.
They should've broken off multiplayer into its own client. Forcing this stuff for single player is bad form.
This is probably just FUD without a direct comparison, from a YouTuber looking for ad money.
The game also no longer even works under Proton on Linux. So that option is out...
https://www.protondb.com/app/782330
https://www.protondb.com/app/782330
Apparently this isn't only change, future master levels will be locked behind twitch prime:
But at least they're not going to drip feed one a month so you have to stay subbed for 6 months to get all, right? :P
This is fuckin shitty. Cosmetics I get, but this? :/
Don't worry, Bethesda has already clarified that's not happening.
That person's post really should be updated so people aren't misled by the debunked info.
Why does Denuvo have a blog in where they pretend anyone likes them and is excited to know what they're doing next lmfaoDenuvo launched this kernel mode anti-cheat totally out of the blue on the same day as Doom Eternal's Denuvo anti-cheat update:
Denuvo Anti-Cheat goes LIVE! A message to DOOM Eternal fans and gamers
After three years of Irdeto’s Denuvo team working to build a multiplayer anti-cheat solution, we are excited to announce Denuvo Anti-Cheat goes LIVE today to protect the BATTLEMODE multiplayer of DOOM Eternal on PC! We are committed to being fully transparent, so here’s a list of what our...
Don't know if it's been posted but the product manager of DAC has said this for an interview with techraptor.net, apparently they're looking for a way to bypass it if you play solo.
https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/doom-eternals-latest-update-breaks-game
techraptor.net said:
https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/doom-eternals-latest-update-breaks-game
This interview also reveals that Denuvo needs kernel level access because they need direct access to your CPU's security features:
They won't even refund outside the period if your game is broken and won't even work. You'll get an automated message telling you the above and no way to even speak to a human being about it.
No idea why people praise this company's terrible customer service and refund policy.
All I did was quit out and restarted the game and this happened. I was able to play launch and play the game afterwards but this is unnecessary.
Probably ways to make this script work in Windows but Linux community already has one to roll back the change. You're unable to play MP but you still can play the game (on Linux :)) https://github.com/lpww/doomgrader
Was going to buy this when I have finished some other games but I guess I just will wait until end of year sales to see if they manage to fix this.
While I understand that anticheat stuff is important for multiplayer, it should not run if I want to play single player. In fact I should be able to uninstall the anticheat stuff and just not be able to launch multiplayer in that case. Having it run with singleplayer is unacceptable.
While I understand that anticheat stuff is important for multiplayer, it should not run if I want to play single player. In fact I should be able to uninstall the anticheat stuff and just not be able to launch multiplayer in that case. Having it run with singleplayer is unacceptable.
Valve shouldn't be let off the hook here. Why would they allow software to be sold on their platform that installs a root kit? That seems like the kind of thing that should have been against their terms of service all along. I don't know why I ever assumed the software I install from there had been verified to be safe for install given this.
It's been about a year or more since the last valve hatewagon. Let's saddle up boys!
I wonder if Microsoft has gotten complaints from Windows users about ring-0 software.
Expecting a company not to sell software that installs a root kit on your computer is a hatewagon? Yes, obviously the 600 games in my Steam library are a strong indication of Valve hating.
The corporate ballwashing on this site is ridiculous sometimes.
Sure. There are buggy drivers around causing various issues from increased latencies to BSODs and other lockups. The elementary memory protection does not really help with bugs in kernel code, it's throwback to Windows 98 levels of reliability where any program can hard crash your computer. Often people do not even realize that the problem might be caused by a 3rd party kernel module if it isn't mentioned in error message and just proceed to blame Microsoft.
That being said in most cases people are running only a few 3rd party kernel drivers and most popular ones are pretty reliable nowadays. Graphics drivers used to be really problematic and broken shaders could trigger BSODs back in the day but most of the complex and error-prone processing (like graphics API implementations) have been handled in user space since Windows Vista.
Recently Apple went far as announcing deprecation of 3rd party kernel drivers altogether in upcoming versions of macOS. It's an interesting decision and actually makes a lot of sense but that's another topic.