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New Zealand announces ban on military-style semi-automatics in the wake of Christchurch terror attacks
- Thread starter Jintor
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Imagine a government that actually operates to protect and improve upon the well-being of its citizens rather than serve itself entirely at the expense of the population's health, safety and happiness.
Huh.
Huh.
I'd put my money on NZ not having a 24/7 white supremacist propaganda machine like the US has as the key factor.
Yeah but now you won't be able to buy the weapon to illegally modify.
I get what you're saying but it's kind of by-the-by.
No, the guns were purchased legally by the attacker under an A-Category firearms licence.
The modifications performed on the guns were illegal.
Our law technically hasn't changed yet. There is ability within the Arms Act to reclassify certain types of firearms, and this change was made today. The change moves a few categories of firearms to define them as military-style semi-automatics which requires an E-Category firearms licence, which requires Police permission to obtain. However the government has essentially told the Police to stop issuing E-Category licences, effectively banning them while legislation is drafted and passed under urgency.
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What a waste of time and money. Gun control won't work.
They should focus on implementing more thoughts and prayers, it's the only way developed countries can deal with this problematic.
They should focus on implementing more thoughts and prayers, it's the only way developed countries can deal with this problematic.
It's also notable that this has solid support from across the political spectrum, including both the main government and opposition parties.
A few points should be made clear after wading through Reddit comments:
- Firearm ownership in New Zealand is a privilege, not a right. No one in New Zealand "lost their freedoms" today.
- Self-defence is not considered a valid reason for firearm ownership by Police.
- 'Military-Style Semi-Automatic' is a legal term in New Zealand with a specific definition.
- This is not a 'knee-jerk' reaction. The government has been petitioned over the last 20 years to change gun laws. This is us finally coming to our senses and realising that weapons of mass murder have no place in our society.
- This is not 'authoritarian', the changes were voted into effect by our Parliament of democratically elected representatives.
- Extremism is not a mental illness.
- Firearm ownership in New Zealand is a privilege, not a right. No one in New Zealand "lost their freedoms" today.
- Self-defence is not considered a valid reason for firearm ownership by Police.
- 'Military-Style Semi-Automatic' is a legal term in New Zealand with a specific definition.
- This is not a 'knee-jerk' reaction. The government has been petitioned over the last 20 years to change gun laws. This is us finally coming to our senses and realising that weapons of mass murder have no place in our society.
- This is not 'authoritarian', the changes were voted into effect by our Parliament of democratically elected representatives.
- Extremism is not a mental illness.
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When we implemented our gun control laws in Australia a conservative government was in power and spearheaded the legislation. The conservative PM at the time was a notable gun control advocate even before Port Arthur, and is on record as saying he did not want the "American disease" to be imported here.
I don't know if I could call it a foundation of a nation when it is, after all, an amendment. Though culturally, that's probably sadly the case after the fact.
Uhh... Does this sound easier than the USA:
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Parliament got together, both parties agreed and it was done. It would have been political suicide if any sitting member of parliament tried to stop the legislation going ahead in the current climate in NZ.
Great leadership from the prime minister. Really shows that it doesn't have to be that complicated.
Switzerland has a ton of guns because military service is compulsory for men*. Unless you opt for "weaponless service," you get a rifle from the military. You are generally expected to hand your firearm over to an armory once you've served. You may also safely store your firearm at home if you have a weapon's permit. As a result of gun-related crimes and suicides, the storage of ammunition at home has been banned in 2010. The overwhelming majority of gun-related deaths (187 out of 195) in 2014 were suicides, though the data doesn't specify whether or not military weapons were used in those instances.
https://www.vtg.admin.ch/de/die-sch...e-ausruestung/bewaffnung.html#ui-collapse-849
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/armeewaffen-die-freiwillige-abgabe-funktioniert-nicht
*you may opt for community service instead if you object to the idea of military service
Yes, but it's important to elaborate on this point. Americans on the right constantly bring up Switzerland as a way to defend the second amendment (and the use of semi-automatic weapons) but their argument is usually based on misinformation.
Switzerland has a ton of guns because military service is compulsory for men*. Unless you opt for "weaponless service," you get a rifle from the military. You are generally expected to hand your firearm over to an armory once you've served. You may also safely store your firearm at home if you have a weapon's permit. As a result of gun-related crimes and suicides, the storage of ammunition at home has been banned in 2010. The overwhelming majority of gun-related deaths (187 out of 195) in 2014 were suicides, though the data doesn't specify whether or not military weapons were used in those instances.
https://www.vtg.admin.ch/de/die-sch...e-ausruestung/bewaffnung.html#ui-collapse-849
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/armeewaffen-die-freiwillige-abgabe-funktioniert-nicht
*you may opt for community service instead if you object to the idea of military service
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Isn't that a bit drastic?
A few more decades of thoughts and prayers surely wouldn't hurt? Gotta trust in the thoughts and the prayers!
A few more decades of thoughts and prayers surely wouldn't hurt? Gotta trust in the thoughts and the prayers!
That's not irony. Irony is when you're so addicted to guns you don't even realize you can make them illegal without a violent revolution...
In other words, this.
Mosques attacked in Birmingham UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47651350
Can somebody open a thread?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47651350
Can somebody open a thread?
But how could you possibly amend... an amendment?
Well fox news could say "ban guns" and it would happen overnight. That would be one way to do it.
In less than a week since the massacre, they were able to ban assault weapons.
Sensible. Swift. Resolute.
It's nice to see a government that actually cares about protecting its citizens.
Sensible. Swift. Resolute.
It's nice to see a government that actually cares about protecting its citizens.
The Reddit threads about this on the news boards make my head hurt.
Full of Americans projecting their gun-obsessed, warped views onto everyone else.
Damn. This just shows how lame america is with this shit. I would have never expected action this fast and this comprehensive. Shoutout to New Zealand. Maybe America will have some sense one day.
You cannot own a pistol for personal protection. As far as New Zealand law is concerned, the only legal civilian reason for pistol ownership is for sport shooting.
Pistol ownership requires a firearms licence with a B Endorsement. You must be part of a shooting club and transport and keep the pistol in approved safe, you may only fire it at approved ranges. There are a lot of hurdles to go through and it's arguably more difficult than owning a rifle or shotgun.
http://www.gunrack.co.nz/how-to-apply-for-a-pistol-licence-b-endorsement
Good for NZ, but don't forget the issue of radicalization through anti-immigrant/anti-muslim right wing propaganda. I feel like thats the much more pressing issue.
Incredible to think the USA is so allergic to obvious and sensible reforms like the ones enacted by the amazing NZ parliament because a bunch of powdered wig wearing slave owners once codified how important it was to shoot politicians if they got out of line.
In the US you realistically need a constitutional amendment to fix the issue. And supporting that is political suicide for a large number of those required to propose it. Not to mention you would still need 3/4 of the states to ratify it.
Much more difficult even if there was the political will to do it.
Much more difficult even if there was the political will to do it.
Exactly US Era. We lost then. Its over. Try again in 25 years.
Why not? I just don't understand why this and free healthcare and better schools are just simply off the table.
As if they are literally impossible to do.