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New York Magazine - Biden Is Planning an FDR-Size Presidency
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Yes, I would take an improvement to ACA over what we have now, but it's also important to note that this actually isn't universal coverage. Correctly identifying his plan doesn't mean you don't think it isn't an improvement, it just leaves room to keep pushing for better.
Speaking as someone who had Biden as pretty much last on their list of candidates, I'm glad to see this. Knowing that he and Warren are having policy conversations is also heartening. People having skepticism is healthy I think, but instantly writing off the possibility of Biden moving left on policy, especially given the circumstances, is silly and counterproductive.
I guess that's where I wasn't getting the poster's point. I don't think Biden ever sold this as universal. I don't think anybody sees this as universal. But he made the point that because his plan is at 97% coverage, he's against universal healthcare.
User Banned (1 Month): Violating the staff post, driving a derail, modwhining, history of similar behavior.
What an absolutely bizarre mod post. This thread is full of people talking about FDR's racist and sexist policies, and the way that they hurt Americans but people can only talk about Reade's accusations in approved threads? How in the world is one off-topic and not the other? And how do you even see not allowing people to even bring up the accusations in threads about Biden's presidency as not shutting down discussion?
I certainly hope Biden can bring that level of change and turnaround. Because God knows we are gonna need it by the time he takes office. Between COVID and Trump the country is in shambles.
I don't want to put words in the staffs mouth, but it sounds like they just don't want literally every thread that has anything to do with Biden to devolve into a back and forth about the allegations against him. There are threads to discuss that in already. But in a thread like this people might just want a place to discuss his actual politics without having to get into all of the rest of the stuff surrounding him at the moment.
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Bernie compared his platform to FDR's, so did Bernie get through to Biden?
Since Biden has invoked FDR's name, I expect Biden to make the effort to fight for universal healthcare and a temporary UBI system while the pandemic is ravaging the country. Anything less, and it is not FDR-like.
Since Biden has invoked FDR's name, I expect Biden to make the effort to fight for universal healthcare and a temporary UBI system while the pandemic is ravaging the country. Anything less, and it is not FDR-like.
Seems like a bizarre post here. FDR's policies are directly tied to his racism in that that he developed policies to exclude minorities and attack Asian Americans. This thread is about comparing his thoughts and policies to FDR's. There are multiple threads about Biden's allegations. So weird to see how multiple threads on that topic - arguably more about that than his policies in general, is "shutting down discussion."
You might want to re-read the thread. It seems FDR was definitely not an advocate for universal healthcare.
You tipped your hand a bit too much by reducing Sanders' platform to "Bernie's theory that they just needed a bit of economic populism to come around". Painting Joe Biden as somehow devoid of ideology is the same sleight of hand that was used to paint neoliberalism as a nonexistent ideology for years. It's complete bullshit when you look at a) Biden's record and b) the Democratic party's own reaction to Sanders' campaign. If the "centrist" wing of the Democratic party just sit around waiting to be blown in the wind by the whims of voters then why did they do everything possible to push their shitty candidate over the line? If Joe Biden can be pushed and pulled by the desires of voters why has he told them again and again to fuck off and not vote for him on the campaign trail?
This is the right message but I'll believe it when I see it. Right now Biden's biggest appeal is that he's not Trump...and that is definitely a huge appeal.
Biden's going to need to do three terms of work in one to make up for the past four years. He has an overwhelming amount of ground to make up now that Trump has crippled our own government. Thinking about all the positions and things that have been left empty and all the policies that were overturned. We'll need something on the scale of the New Deal to move forward.
Forcing discussions of allegations of sexual assault into specific threads is absolutely shutting down discussion, especially when the justification that you're thinking of is people want to discuss his policies without having to hear about the accusations constantly. FDR's bigoted nature affects his policies because of course they did, this idea that Biden's accusation is completely able to be divorced from any concerns or potential future under a Biden Presidency is completely insane to shut down as not happening.
That is incorrect. FDR had tried including universal healthcare into Social Security, but it was removed in order to push it through Congress, and by the time him and later presidents attempted to pass it again, conservatives had successfully associated universal healthcare as part of the socialist agenda.
LBJ was one of the most important presidents in the 20th century. I think we would all have those hopes.
If he gets the senate, and he has a large team to start pushing things through. Hopefully he can get a good deal accomplished. 2024 becomes even MORE important.
Drive-by posting about Biden's accusations is lazy thread derailing and constantly talking about it elsewhere drowns out productive discussions.
Like we're doing now.
no. This ignores the truth. Universal healthcare in the early days was blocked by unions since they believed it would weaken their bargaining power.
It doesn't make any sense when this is the byline of OP's article:
I'm not trying to derail the thread but I'm confused and asking for clarification as well. The story mentions the Reade allegation directly in its first sentence. Why the staff banner then?
That's pretty true and it's sad that Biden isn't pushing to nuke the filibuster.
The good news is that it's Schumer's decision to make when the time comes and not Biden's. It may even be politically advantageous for Biden to be against it and let the Senate itself take the blame.
I'm on the "I'll believe it when I see it" bandwagon. Everyone likes to hit those FDR and Kennedy touchstones, but once in office it's scaredy-cat governing.
We've been experiencing a bull in a china shop since 2016. You want to impress me? Say that your first act as President will be to nullify all Executive Orders issued between January 20, 2017 and January 19, 2021. Immediately begin a program to de-Trumpify the Federal government and root out all Trump appointees and anyone they hired.
You can't undo the damage, but you can stop the horror and excise the rotted flesh.
We've been experiencing a bull in a china shop since 2016. You want to impress me? Say that your first act as President will be to nullify all Executive Orders issued between January 20, 2017 and January 19, 2021. Immediately begin a program to de-Trumpify the Federal government and root out all Trump appointees and anyone they hired.
You can't undo the damage, but you can stop the horror and excise the rotted flesh.
But thats not shutting down discussion at all. You can go make a separate thread right now about the allegations and I'm sure it would reach several pages worth of posts within just a couple of hours. There is plenty of discussion to be had on the topic. Shutting down discussion would be the staff forbidding such a discussion from taking place at all and that's not what they are doing.
All the mods seem to be asking of us is to not derail every Biden thread with discussion about the allegations and keep the discussion centered in the threads dedicated to the topic. They have taken the same stance towards supporters of other candidates trying to derail threads with talk about the primary. And neither sound like unreasonable stances to take in my opinion.
Mods can't account for what OP writes in the original post. If they wish for the narrative to move away from the Reade accusations for the sake of this one thread, it's natural to do what they did. I agree though that it is a bit confusing and needs clarification.
I hop its true.
Biden Is Planning an FDR-Size Presidency
He thinks he’ll survive Tara Reade’s accusation. But he knows he can’t be an average-Joe Democrat anymore.nymag.com
Really great article from NY Mag today. It blows apart the fear that Biden will try to play it safe and govern as a moderate. He is planning to go all out with a government plan on policy, more so than any predecessor in decades.
because we are going to need it.
and its going to have to be the biggest and fastest revamp in american history. and strengthening of our branches, routing of corruption, and removal of presidential powers.
It's things like this are why Republican still runs the country.
Why do you think people keeping voting for them even though they will lose their insurance? Because the current system is flawed and these Republican will put up an act
It's why Hispanic voters continues to support Republican with Marco Rubio being the poster child while Democrats are trying to primary AOC
Given all the people he's been talking to lately, I hope he can pull this off. He has my vote, but he doesn't yet have my confidence.
What I want to know is, what are Democrats going to do to combat the right's assault on our democracy? Enacting the most liberal policies possible doesn't matter if the game is still rigged and Republicans win again two years later. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, the electoral college, the senate and the fillabuster, ill-gotten control of the judiciary, etc. The only thing the right cares about is the accumulation of power, and that's why even though they only represent a minority of the country, and their polices are extremely unpopular, they continue to win elections and are able to push through their agenda. If the left really wants to achieve long lasting change, then they need to have the fucking balls to do things like reforming the makeup of the supreme court, making D.C. a state, enacting huge changes to how we hold our elections, etc.
Well the biggest thing is making sure we at least don't slip further on the SC, but the big thing is voters also need to be engaging constantly in local elections so that power can be flawed back from Republicans and anti-democratic policies like Gerrymandering removed.
This is why Warren was my favorite-- she seemed to have the clearest and most comprehensive vision about addressing these systematic breakdowns. I'm not holding my breath for her to be Biden's VP (keeping my fingers crossed though) but these questions must be on Biden's radar, especially if he's having policy conversations with Warren.
It is certainly a tough situation. A very daunting one. But at this point, they just have to win now. And win big to point of getting the Senate. Anything short, and it's basically game over.
From there, it'l be real tough to figure out where to start picking up the pieces. But at least with the Senate, you can fill court vacancies, create new ones by expanding the Federal judiciary (well overdue anyway), replace RBG and probably Breyer too, and go from there.
My greatest hope has always been that the administration goes down in flames, we somehow win 52-54 Senate seats, and we use reconciliation or get rid of the fillibuster so Biden can be sort of a modern LBJ -- a completely flawed human being who against their own brand, is still able to pass more progressive legislation than you would've expected. This article suggests he's starting to get it. We'll see.
I think people are underestimating what Biden will be capable of doing in a post-Covid US. I also think they forget that this is a Democracy, and we are not electing some autocrat who will do whatever he wants. If Biden wants to be a successful president, he's going to have to consider the opinions of other Democrats, and in a time of crisis I'm sure his own priorities are changing. He could be the most important president since LBJ, who I'm sure surprised a lot of people with how hard he fought for progressive ideals based on his personality. This is our chance, and four more years of a Republican trying to preserve the status quo will ruin this opportunity for real change. And no, Biden is not a Republican, literally everything about his platform says otherwise.
Meanwhile Trump and republicans want to strip away all medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. Which is one a better option?
Stuff like HR1 is a huge help for that. Has to be the first priority of a new Democratic administration - that or statehood initiatives for DC and any territories that want 'em.
God that would be nice. I'm still afraid that we will end up either dead even or just behind in the Senate.
It's worth noting, copays at least are a pretty standard feature in almost all universal healthcare systems. Even excluding multipayer ones like the Netherlands has. Some places like Sweden have them set at absurdly low values, but they're still there, because the point is to control demand a little bit. Not to control it so tightly that people are forced to choose between getting care and other necessities, but enough that they stop and think before they get services. There's only so much healthcare capacity to go around.
This is incorrect.
First, "Republicans" don't run the country -- most of the country lives in states with Democratic governors. We have a Democratic House. So the idea that Republicans point blank run the country is incorrect.
Two other things -- you're flattening "Hispanic voters" here in Florida and you completely ignore the contours of Cuban-Americans within the state and why Marco Rubio does well with Hispanic voters (also if you break out Hispanic voters by background... Rubio loses Puerto Rican voters! His inflated margins with this demographic are based entirely on Floridian Cuban American voters which have a long history voting Republican though have been drifting away from the party... slowly).
The other thing is... no Democrats are primaying AOC. Her main primary opponent is being propped up by Chamber of Commerce, a right-wing org, and the woman trying to primary her has said good things about Trump. This person has no support from any mainstream Democrats, so to try to say "Democrats are trying to primary AOC" really isn't correct.
To review...is the argument that the New Deal was completely (or even mostly) bad for America?
Or that it was exclusionary of minorities (like everything in America was, and in many ways still is)? I'm interested in the video above, but I'm assuming that it's premise is that it was exclusionary and/or it didn't go far enough (it only did what it did to kill people's appetite for more revolutionary policy).
Or that it was exclusionary of minorities (like everything in America was, and in many ways still is)? I'm interested in the video above, but I'm assuming that it's premise is that it was exclusionary and/or it didn't go far enough (it only did what it did to kill people's appetite for more revolutionary policy).
I feel like our best cases for solving these issues in the short term will be expanding voting infrastructure. Republicans thrive on limiting turnout, so we need to strengthen and make the process as painless as possible. Establishing voting holidays, federal mail-in ballots, granting stateship to D.C. and Puerto Rico. These are just a few examples of needed changes.
The latter, that it was exclusionary of minorities. This largely helped white supremacist being on board with new deal proposals.
Biden is a pathological liar and he repeatedly over the decades has capitulated to Repubs, who I might remind all of you were fascist regressives far before Trump and will remain so far after Trump.
In other words, don't trust a goddamn word that man says until it's done.
In other words, don't trust a goddamn word that man says until it's done.
I saw a poll from Colorado recently that had Hickenlooper winning by 18 points (!)
New Colorado poll shows Hickenlooper widening double-digit lead over Gardner
The Keating-Onsight-Melanson poll of likely voters, made available in advance of its release to Colorado Politics, shows Hickenlooper with 54% support to Gardner's 36% in a hypothetical head-to-head contest, with
Another poll I saw of Montana had Bullock winning by 7 points.
Poll: Bullock leads Daines in Montana Senate race
Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) leads Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) by 7 points in the state’s Senate race, according to a new poll from Montana State University released on Tuesday, a sign that the s…
thehill.com
The remark on Bernie was snarkier than i intended. I think Bernie is right on close to everything policy wise, but had a naively hopeful view of how you win elections that was tied into that obsession with authenticity. That a campaign based on full-throated support for maximalist positions could create new turnout, that enthusiasm around rallies and door knocking campaigns would translate into votes, and yes, that Bernie's success with rural voters in 2016 was based on substantive agreement and not on anti-Hillary protest votes. All of that turned out to be wrong.
But anyway, yeah, they turned out all the stops to stop Bernie, and honestly it was probably a stupid thing to do, but it was a combination of their paranoid fear of strong ideology convincing them wrongly that Bernie was doomed, and a somewhat legitimate but probably overblown fear that they'd find themselves purged from the party under a Bernie leadership. So, like, these are not good people. This is acting out of selfishness. But again, selfishness can be used in ways you don't do when you conceive of these people as your inveterate enemies.Their selfishness could've been used by Bernie if he wanted their support. But he gambled on total victory and he lost.
As I reiterated since the primary started, any Democratic president hoping to enact real change during their term has to be ready to nuke the filibuster. It irked me that the only candidate willing to do so was Warren.
Hopefully the party wises up
Hopefully the party wises up
I mean, he'll be called a socialist regardless. But I genuinely think that if we get a unified government, dramatic legislation will be on the agenda. It literally just has to be.
I'd think the problem with excess gop power could be solved with statehood for territories and dc. PR and DC alone would be 4 dnc senators.
to fix the house get rid of the cap of reps and fix the number to be one rep for the lowest population state and every other state that population figure divided into their own. No amendments required.
I can see why Biden is making the play he is though. With the virus showing the grand failure of gop policy it's a good opportunity to shift left and put in fixes that the gop won't be able to undo easily.
to fix the house get rid of the cap of reps and fix the number to be one rep for the lowest population state and every other state that population figure divided into their own. No amendments required.
I can see why Biden is making the play he is though. With the virus showing the grand failure of gop policy it's a good opportunity to shift left and put in fixes that the gop won't be able to undo easily.