I'd love to see a clear and digestible breakdown of the self dealing, money laundering, and corruption.
I want to see names and organizations involved.
I want to see names and organizations involved.
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New York Attorney General sues to dissolve the NRA, saying its leaders exploited the company for personal gain.
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LOL, what NRA members? Other people in this thread are correct that the majority of gun owners in this country haven't been fond of the NRA for ages. I've interacted with some of these people - in the deep south no less. The word has actually gotten around that the NRA doesn't actually care about any of them, which is why they've been ditching their memberships en-masse.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/27/politics/nra-new-york-investigation/index.html - April 2019 announcement of investigation (which Trump was responding to at the time)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nra-subpoenas-dc-attorney-general_n_5d28b79fe4b02a5a5d5a3370 - July 2019 subpoenas from DC AG
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/nra-board-subpoena-letitia-james.html - August 2019 NYT article about expanding the investigation to NRA leadership
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...nras-attempt-interfere-official-investigation - Oct 2019 statement from AG
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjourn...its-former-ad-agency-to-comply-with-subpoena/ -Feb 2020 article about ad agency having to comply with subpoenas
It's all been there in the background. I can try and find the announcement thread in the resetERA archives, but I'm sure the replies are filled with "nothing will come of this".
This is awesome.
Would be really awesome if the Virginia AG also joins up with D.C and NY since the NRA is currently headquartered in Virginia.
My dad used to be a hunter growing up and told me the NRA of the 1940s/1950s was totally different from the NRA of today, the NRA was originally for advocating for gun safety and responsible gun ownership. He told me that when Wayne LaPierre and his flunkies got involved with the NRA, that's when it got turned into the current organization. My dad was a lifetime member of the NRA until he saw what LaPierre and his flunkies were doing so he immediately sent in his cancellation of his lifetime membership of the NRA.
Would be really awesome if the Virginia AG also joins up with D.C and NY since the NRA is currently headquartered in Virginia.
My dad used to be a hunter growing up and told me the NRA of the 1940s/1950s was totally different from the NRA of today, the NRA was originally for advocating for gun safety and responsible gun ownership. He told me that when Wayne LaPierre and his flunkies got involved with the NRA, that's when it got turned into the current organization. My dad was a lifetime member of the NRA until he saw what LaPierre and his flunkies were doing so he immediately sent in his cancellation of his lifetime membership of the NRA.
Here you go: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cadence13/gangster-capitalism
Gangstar Capitalism season 2 is all about this.
My dad was an antique gun collector and got me an NRA membership as a little kid. He despises the organization now as well.
they just fired 200 people, you don't fire 200 people if your flush with cash.
A visit to the wayback machine:
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NRA subpoenaed by D.C. attorney general for financial documents, NRA breaking nonprofit regulation?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/dc-attorney-general-issues-subpoenas-to-nra-its-charitable-foundation/2019/07/12/835bb30e-a4bb-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f9678bee0114 NRA keeps taking hits from left and right.
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NRA shuts down production of NRATV
Nah, it was more about mishandling of funds from the top exec/s causing investigations and outrage among members who stopped donating. Wayne supposedly was spending 20k on suits and paying big bucks of the NRAs money to house female interns. People are irritated that he can't be ousted since he...
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(The Guardian) ‘The NRA is in grave danger’: group's troubles are blow to Trump's 2020 bid
‘The NRA is in grave danger’: group's troubles are blow to Trump's 2020 bid https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/06/nra-trump-2020-campaign-new-york-investigation It feels like there are articles like this every week or so, but I read the articles there are some choice quotes from...
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Oliver North states he is being forced out of the NRA
ahahahahaha #ETTD Learn it. Love it. Live it.
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Everytown for Gun Safety Files Complaint About NRA’s Tax-Exempt Status With IRS, Calls For Federal and State Investigations into the NRA
The gun safety rights group, Everytown for Gun Safety has filed a complaint about the NRA's tax-exempt status with the IRS and is urging for state and federal investigations into the NRA...
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The NRA used to be a legitimate organization dedicated to gun safety and education. You've only seen in the last several years where there has been a curiously large amount of money, some of it from the now-sanctioned Alexander Torshin, an associate of Putin who the US sanctioned during the 2016 fallout, and from there the message changed to that of 2A and arming teachers and security guards at every school to protect from school shooters.
Senate report from last year indicating the NRA was a foreign asset for Russia ahead of 2016: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/7648...ussia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals
FEC Republicans block effort to investigate NRA ties to Russia: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/f...e-nras-financial-ties-to-russia-a916adcc7015/
The NRA initially admitted that Torshin had bought a lifetime membership. https://everytown.org/press/new-nra...al-reportedly-at-center-of-fbi-investigation/
...then said later it received another two dozen donations either from Russian nationals or addresses based in Russia: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra...ontributions-russian-donors/story?id=54395292
While the overall money contributed from Russian sources that is reported at this time isn't significant, the above spells out a lot of what's going on with Ms. James' charge: the NRA wasn't keeping track of jack shit, or was maliciously trying to hide it. Why? Because they were blowing donation money on themselves, for one. But for another, the idea that they were receiving money from Russia, and then donating huge amounts to Trump's campaign could open up campaign finance violations, FARA charges, all this really bad criminal shit that could land the leadership in prison.
Senate report from last year indicating the NRA was a foreign asset for Russia ahead of 2016: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/7648...ussia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals
FEC Republicans block effort to investigate NRA ties to Russia: https://archive.thinkprogress.org/f...e-nras-financial-ties-to-russia-a916adcc7015/
The NRA initially admitted that Torshin had bought a lifetime membership. https://everytown.org/press/new-nra...al-reportedly-at-center-of-fbi-investigation/
...then said later it received another two dozen donations either from Russian nationals or addresses based in Russia: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra...ontributions-russian-donors/story?id=54395292
While the overall money contributed from Russian sources that is reported at this time isn't significant, the above spells out a lot of what's going on with Ms. James' charge: the NRA wasn't keeping track of jack shit, or was maliciously trying to hide it. Why? Because they were blowing donation money on themselves, for one. But for another, the idea that they were receiving money from Russia, and then donating huge amounts to Trump's campaign could open up campaign finance violations, FARA charges, all this really bad criminal shit that could land the leadership in prison.
As a gun owner and someone that enjoys it as a hobby, I also hate the NRA but wonder what's going to fill the void after the NRA is gone. They do provide some good training and safety resources, and while I agree the organization as a whole needs to go, I hope something else replaces that quickly.
the political part of the NRA sucks though, good riddance
the political part of the NRA sucks though, good riddance
LOL the tone is very "Sucks that happens but I ain't doing shit"
Would be totally awesome to see LaPierre and his flunkies put in jail for this.
Since the NRA is a nonprofit, there's specific things the NRA cannot do which they have done that is against the law, I'm glad to see that New York has took the lead and is actively trying to disband the NRA.
The National AR-15 Association.
Unless the training is, 'don't own fucking guns' that training is not good.
Absolutely wonderful! Flip over that rock and see what disgusting things crawl out.
Hopefully this will unearth those Russian connections.
Possible, sure, but I mean I said NRA members, and I think a lot of NRA members like the NRA quite a bit.
This is silly, too. Your anecdotes don't change that in spite of their depleting popularity they've still continued extracting hundreds of millions of dollars from their millions of members. I sadly interact with some of these dumb shits here in the south and they're still here?
Here's the NYAG press release:
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Attorney General James Files Lawsuit to Dissolve NRA
AG James’ Action Will Hold Powerful Gun Group Accountable Lawsuit Details Years of Illegal Self-Dealing That Funded Lavish Lifestyle of NRA Leaders NEW YORK –
I don't see this somehow winning the election for Trump, folks. The NRA diehards were already voting for him this Fall. At best it re-motivates some of his voters that might have been somewhat disillusioned recently, and I can't see that moving the needle much. NRA was already the group most often claiming "Dems will take your guns away" anyways.
If nothing else, we'll get treated to the usual "Gun sales increase" story in a few days. Those people seemingly buy guns whenever the temperature changes.
Real real, I suppose I should say it can only further escalate, much like the "second wave" Corona spike.
Obviously overdue...
Besides public scrutiny, is there anything that keeps the organization from setting up shop in another state? I know that the Trump family is barred from being on the board of another charity chartered in NY State, for example, but I assume the state's jurisdiction ends once you leave the state.
Besides public scrutiny, is there anything that keeps the organization from setting up shop in another state? I know that the Trump family is barred from being on the board of another charity chartered in NY State, for example, but I assume the state's jurisdiction ends once you leave the state.
This will definitely be their election plank now, even if it doesn't play for too long. Have to hope enough suburban people have had enough of this culture war shit.
That would be a base play, for sure... I could see it having GOTV effects on the right, but I don't think it will swing voters... I remember seeing polling that BLM was more popular than the NRA... in Texas.
It would be best for the NRA to dissolve, didnt the AG basically state their debts outweighed their revenue and assets? keep the NRA alive, all it'll do is just soak up money for their bs. better perhaps to have money flow to better run 2nd Amendment orgs without the weight of the NRA's legal battles.
with what money?
they spent exponentially less money in 2018 than they did in 2016.
The point is is that the NRA was already dying, especially after they stopped getting money from Russia. This lawsuit will be the final nail in the coffin, now that all of its skeletons in the closet are being exposed. And as for the racist idiots who are still members of the NRA... we already all knew they were some of the most dangerous motherfuckers in the entire country. They're the folks that have ALREADY been gunning to go to war for Der Fuhrer.
People who think the NRA being sued out of existence is gonna actually change the current trajectory of the country are treating it the same way they treat the Trump administration. They're treating it like its the cause of all the shit blowing up, rather than a symptom of everything that was ALREADY wrong with America. And while we obviously can't predict how this is all gonna play out, I guarantee you things wouldn't be much different if the NRA did survive past 2020.
it won't, there are plenty of liberal and leftists gun owners and they don't like the NRA. literally everyone ive ever met that is Pro-NRA is a conservative, anyone upset by this was voting for Trump already.
I don't think they're even trying to bother to appeal to beyond the base, so I could see it happening even if it doesn't make political or financial sense currently.
Came into this thread to say this.
So seriously if half these allegations are proven in court with documents, does the NRA have a leg to stand on legally?
The NRA has been hemorrhaging money and users for years, but dont let their inevitable downfall be taken as any real victory. The money and members are just going to switch over to the other gun rights organizations and by and large those who do still arnt going to vote democrat, especially with Bidens AWB talk. Most will probably still vote trump even if they hate him if it means keeping a D out of the white house.
I'd be pissed if I was Biden right now.
This could and should have waited until after the election. This will do absolutely nothing but spark a fire in Trump's supporters by offering what will be called hard evidence that the democrats want to take everyone's guns.
This could and should have waited until after the election. This will do absolutely nothing but spark a fire in Trump's supporters by offering what will be called hard evidence that the democrats want to take everyone's guns.
Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. Why stir the pot right now?
Biden's been doing perfectly fine with his platform on guns anyhow in pissing off gun owners. That, his embrace of Beto....i honestly wished he shut up more about guns tbh.
What's left of Trump's base will not be enough to easily win this election. Trump has been losing the republican suburbs from the pandamic/economic crash/police brutality protests. This isn't enough to significantly tip the needle.
Once the grift is exposed, the question becomes why would anyone give money to those same specific leaders to run a gun rights advocacy platform again? Why would they not fall under the same level of scrutiny from local AGs again, or the FBI? Would fancy pants East coast elitists like LaPierre really want to move from their fancy pants suburban palaces to Bumfuck USA just for the chance to continue this charade?
Once investigators in one state put you under a microscope, it doesn't take a lot of digging for the next to get probable cause.
Paul Erickson (Butina's exbf) still ended up in federal prison despite running his grift out of South Dakota.
Wow at the people saying that the AG should have waited for political purposes... F that guys. I get that it's inconvenient to a narrative or political campaign, but that's why it's a separate fucking branch of the government. It shouldn't wait.
Absolute clown show to have done this in fucking august 2 months before the election, no way this won't rile Trump's base and allow him to rally. Wtf is up with democrats and their self inflicted wounds.