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New Trails series announced: Trails of Dark? Trails of Black? Either way, it's 黎の軌跡
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I could see this being localized as Trails Within the Darkness.
Glad we're finally done with Rean and Erebonia, it nearly killed my interest in this franchise.
Glad we're finally done with Rean and Erebonia, it nearly killed my interest in this franchise.
Depends on how that plays out but
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It is really hard reading this thread as someone who likes cold steel/ Rean.
Just pure hyperbole, CS is TRASH!!!! and I'm going to take my eyes out if Rean shows up or something!!...JFC
Anyways, on topic, really exciting news, and I'm glad about the cast size, I loved CS characters but there was definitely too many. I believe one of zero's strengths was the smaller cast you got from the beginning.
Also looking forward to non-teenager MCs
Just pure hyperbole, CS is TRASH!!!! and I'm going to take my eyes out if Rean shows up or something!!...JFC
Anyways, on topic, really exciting news, and I'm glad about the cast size, I loved CS characters but there was definitely too many. I believe one of zero's strengths was the smaller cast you got from the beginning.
Also looking forward to non-teenager MCs
Oh, I didn't mean your post, but many others in here. But you are right, Kiseki needs a fresh start with new faces. Will be interesting to play with a new MC.
Anyway, what will Calvard look like? In my imagination, Calvard has always been like America due to its person names (Rocksmith), the government (Republic with a president) and lots of immigration.
I think the small lore bits that describes the geography of Calvard usually refers to the desertification that's encroaching the country from the east. Western Calvard probably looks like Erebonia (or the rest of zemuria) but the further east you get it becomes more and more desert. Other than that, some mixture of Erebonia and Crossbell's eastern district. It depends if the only immigrant analogues are japanese/chinese in theme, which isn't quite clear yet.
Its really easy to explain the dislike of rean. He's a very bland character borrowing from LN tropes that mantained his leading role for like, five games. All the other Kiseki MCs just had a duology to themselves if even that..
I'm hoping it has a lot of eastern influence. That one official art that was released a while back that had a red haired character in the front was something I imagined Calvard to look like. It had a lot of eastern influence and looked great.
Please don't be Rean,
Please don't be Rean,
Please don't be Rean.
I don't even hate the character of Rean, I hate how the games and everybody in the games treat him. Also please don't have the FFVII remake combat, that travesty should have been chucked in the garbage bin in the design stage. I would be fine with an ATB system, just as long as it maintains some semblance of being a turn based JRPG system, and not the dumb ARPG offshoots that Final Fantasy has become over the last 15 years.
Please don't be Rean,
Please don't be Rean.
I don't even hate the character of Rean, I hate how the games and everybody in the games treat him. Also please don't have the FFVII remake combat, that travesty should have been chucked in the garbage bin in the design stage. I would be fine with an ATB system, just as long as it maintains some semblance of being a turn based JRPG system, and not the dumb ARPG offshoots that Final Fantasy has become over the last 15 years.
Oh yes, east asian culture and architecture. Maybe that will influence the music in the Calvard arc. Also, I imagine Calvard to be more modern in its design, i. e. buildings and fashion. IIRC the Calvardians we have seen so far looked a bit less flamboyant that Erebonians. Would be a nice contrast.
Immigration and desertification could be important story elements (or the main ones?) in the coming arc. But if the desert is coming from the east, other countries should be affected too. Isn't Leman supposed to be in central Zemuria?
It's also 2 years after the end of CSIV (and I'm Hajimari im guessing but I'm avoiding everything about the plot of that game lol). Two years in Zemuria time is like 50 in ours, so they might be Trails of Cyberpunk for all we know lmfao
Also yeah, Leman is Central Erebonia, like dead center so it'll be revealed once we see the map with Calvard included.
Rean is the blandest character in the series and we've had five games all about him and how much everyone loves him. I'd say we've earned at least one game without him.
(It won't happen.)
lol, yeah, who knows what level of technology Zemuria has achieved. This will lead to cyberpunk or science fiction story, depending how long the series will last.
If Rean had a duology like every other protagonist with exception of Kevin people would have a different tune I feel.
Isn't Arteria within Leman state aka Vatican in Italy? Should give an idea where it is since that's on the map
No Arteria is its own City-State similar to Crossbell. Its not located within Leman State, which is almost exclusively only referred to when talking about Bracer HQ. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but they're two separate places
You don't know the legend of Rean: trails of rean?
truth be told I'm burnt out of him too, one more game to go when it gets localized.
Yeah Leman State is only referred to as both where the Bracer HQ is as well as where the Epstein Foundation was founded. It could be possible that Arteria borders the northern part of Leman, but as you said like Crossbell, Arteria is its own separate nation. Hopefully we will get a better sense of the map of Eastern Zemuria with this new game.
Is that picture part of some other art for the series? Or are they implying Estelle and crew will be somehow in this one?
There's a clear difference between a "dislike" and "hatred". Hatred that's so strong that there's legitimate fears in people that he's going to be the main character in a new series that takes place in a different country and is going to have 90% new characters.
If you don't like a character, fine. But if your dislike for him is strong enough to the point of completely irrational thinking, maybe it's time to step away from the franchise in which he's a major part of? And yeah I'm calling it irrational thinking because no rational mind wastes this much energy mustering up hatred for a fictional character of which the worst you can say about him is that he's a little on the bland side.
Posting on a internet forum doesn't take that much energy or effort really.
I don't think it's ptsd, more like burn out.
I personally don't mind if it's him or his twin brother Ron.
Watching all the Rean hate in this thread...
I'd like a Victor Arseid origin story.
Totally, 100% this. I don't want ARPG bullshit anywhere near my Kiseki games.
I know people are saying the sales are great in Asia and the west. There is truth in that.
But the fact from the very first interview on the first game in a new arc, which is assuredly written as a 2 or 3 or 4 parter, Kondo had to explicitly state that if the game fails there won't be a sequel, imo that reeks of desperation and trying to scare the Japanese fanbase (where sales keep falling) into buying it new instead of used.
It's not something he would be stating out loud in interviews if the franchise was healthy.
Since it seemed the biggest factor in declining sales of the frachise was Cold Steel dragging out so long and losing players each entry while not gaining new players to take their place, I hope that they'll have written the new arc with that in mind from the start and we're not going to get another four game story arc. If they can just go back to 2 game arcs so they are consistently rebooting with a new cast/location to bring in new fans it should help. Would also help in constraining their scope into a more compact tale.
But the fact from the very first interview on the first game in a new arc, which is assuredly written as a 2 or 3 or 4 parter, Kondo had to explicitly state that if the game fails there won't be a sequel, imo that reeks of desperation and trying to scare the Japanese fanbase (where sales keep falling) into buying it new instead of used.
It's not something he would be stating out loud in interviews if the franchise was healthy.
Since it seemed the biggest factor in declining sales of the frachise was Cold Steel dragging out so long and losing players each entry while not gaining new players to take their place, I hope that they'll have written the new arc with that in mind from the start and we're not going to get another four game story arc. If they can just go back to 2 game arcs so they are consistently rebooting with a new cast/location to bring in new fans it should help. Would also help in constraining their scope into a more compact tale.
Reading the hate for the masterclass that 7R was in ARPG combat is wild in here. Especially with regard to Kiseki who's combat legit is broken in the sense that the game becomes mindless halfway through each entry. Still love it though and would be fine with either one
Just wish Falcom would do a day to day release for the switch. Unfortunately I'm gonna have to wait until NISA ports it to the switch long after the game has already released.
Yeah, pretty much.
I love turn-based and enjoy Trails battles, but they haven't made a non-broken battle system in years. I'm fine with them trying a change up. It doesn't sound like it's going to jump to being Ys combat since you can still use commands.
At most I feel like they should go for 2 to 3 games for an arc not any more. The Sky Trilogy felt perfect for me. Honestly there are quite a few ways they can keep the series healthy like you mentioned about them not dragging the story. However, another reason for the decline that needs to be factored in is the drop of a portable platform. The switch doesn't count because it isn't a day to day release and the way they are handling it is not gonna help domestic sales. I also don't think adding a PS5 sku is gonna help them either.
Having NISA do the porting is a nice step, but it's really not gonna help with domestic sales.
The statements from Kondo is really just a reflection of some of the harsher criticism of the Cold Steel series that can be seen in the Japanese community that was around from even when they were planning the release of CS4.
Falcom has been hinting since few years ago that Erebonia taking up 4+1 games was far from ideal, what's with CS4 having an "End of Saga" subtitle and regular references to how they'd like future games to not take up so much. It's worth remembering that from a consumer perspective, CS2 and CS4 use much of the same content from CS1/3 to begin with.
Falcom has been hinting since few years ago that Erebonia taking up 4+1 games was far from ideal, what's with CS4 having an "End of Saga" subtitle and regular references to how they'd like future games to not take up so much. It's worth remembering that from a consumer perspective, CS2 and CS4 use much of the same content from CS1/3 to begin with.
Well so does Sky SC and Crossbell Pt.2. It's just how they do things.
Each game is at least 2 parts because the 2nd part re-uses the world/locations/characters of the first part. It's a cost-saving measure for Falcom. They get 2 games out of each game of assets.
The oddball is if they do something like Sky 3rd or Hajimari which is smaller scope and only has partial re-use.
That's why the new one should be a 2-parter (and a 3rd/Hajimari after if they want). If they go to 3 games its almost guaranteed it's another 4 part story and I'd think they'd want to avoid that after Erebonia.
Two games, especially 100 hour+ games, is plenty of time to tell a full story.
I think we'll be able to tell when Kuro releases if it's going to be 4 games again. If Calvard map is conveniently split in half and only half is covered in Kuro 1, Kuro 2 will probably re-use that same half and it basically means game 3/4 again. Hopefully Kuro 1 covers the entire map in a way that leaves some locations still to cover in Kuro 2 but isn't easily split in 50/50 like Western/Eastern Erebonia.
Imo it was obvious by CS2 that CS was going to be 4 games because of that.
Imo it was obvious by CS2 that CS was going to be 4 games because of that.
Same situation here. I have just been dying to start Cold Steel 3, but refuse to touch it until I can play Zero and Ao officially. They're already on PS4 Falcom, just localize them damn it.
I think they're good but I also think it's questionable how much of that Falcom JPN sees in return even if they do well. I might be mistaken but I think Falcom self-publishes or is partial publisher or something in Asia so they actually see that money whereas they just license out for the west.
Yes, but despite Erebonia being split into West/East - the game doesn't have as strong as a rooting to make the exploration of the different part of the same country reignite the wow factor due to it still being tied to Erebonia/Class 7/etc.