Simplest explanation is that Silent Hill 2 is one of the best portrayals of mental health issues that you'll find in gaming. The Medium is one of the worst.
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New Silent Hill game details leaked (Dusk Golem) [DMCA’d by Konami]
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Simplest explanation is that Silent Hill 2 is one of the best portrayals of mental health issues that you'll find in gaming. The Medium is one of the worst.
It's not as complicated as you might think based on the length of the topic.
Silent Hill 2 is a beloved art game whose best quality is the intimacy and subtly with which it explores its themes. It successfully evokes mood and emotion while keeping its actual script ambiguous and story elements unknown. This mastery of aesthetic and theme is one of gaming's highest peaks that even Silent Hill itself has struggled to reach ever since. It is hard to come up with any game that does what SH2 does as well as SH2 does it. It remains a canonical favorite in the legacy of interactive art. People have a lot of respect for the material.
Innumerable horror games have been produced with Silent Hill in mind. Many have reached and grasped and missed at what makes Silent Hill 2 work as well as it does. Everyone wants to make SH2 but nobody has pulled it off. For many, Bloober Team is one of those developers that has made a name for itself trying to make Silent Hill and never succeeding, so it gives them anxiety that they might be giving the reins to Silent Hill 2. Many feel they've proven definitively they don't get it and can't do it.
I don't know how to feel, personally. I do know that "Bloober Team" is an unacceptable name for anything. The idea of a title as prestigious as Silent Hill 2 being preceded with the word "Bloober" is wretched. How can anyone call themselves "Bloober" with any dignity? They could be an industry leading developer and their Silent Hill game single handedly thrusts the series into the accoladed mainstream in years but I will never get over "Bloober". Sorry, Bloober Team.
Here's the big thing, if bloober is going to do a remake, unless they do something 1:1, respecting the original as much as possible like Bluepoint does, then great, it can come out pretty good as an updated version.
But if they are going to remake the game from 0, modifying and altering stuff, it will probably lose the charm of the original game.
SH2 grabs you from the first moment, with that reading in off, the music and the first steps descending with an exquisite atmosphere. It overflows with melancholy and sensations that have not been reached never again.
It's game from another era, that's the whole point... The positive part is that the original game will always be there, and to be honest, I would be grateful if Konami would release proper HD versions, not that terrible remaster they released years ago.
For sure. People have wanted a modern release for a decade. People thought they were getting that with the infamous HD collection but it has become universally maligned. An HD re-release, or an asset remake like Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls, would be perfect for Silent Hill 2. It is such a unique experience and that exact experience is the one people want accessible and flattered with a more beautiful presentation.
But an RE2-style "reimagining"? So much would have to go just right and be executed with a flawless understanding of the original. I don't know who can do that. Maybe no one. As we learned even with RE3R, lightning doesn't strike twice. It's hard for me to conceptualize what a reimagining of Silent Hill 2 would be like that still provides any semblance of what the original provides. I would love to be proven wrong.
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Only more rumors moving in parallel to the original leak, nothing concrete yet.
Silent hill fans are absolutely fuming because:
1) there might be a new silent hill
2) there might not be a new silent hill
Neither outcome is acceptable apparently.
It's a been a LOOOOONG time since I played a game that sent me messages outside of the game. The Majestic was a totally underrated game.
I was gonna say something similar. If one game/movie/show/book is art, they are all art. The scribble of crayons that my little cousin just showed me on a crumpled piece of paper is art.
clearest two sentence explanation.
Angela's last monologue is an excellent take-down of the kind of mainstream "feel better" pablum that doesn't effectively address the needs of mental health sufferers I've ever seen in a game without being obvious or ham-fisted.
Bloober team's general M.O. would turn Angela into a monster you have to kill.
Ok this got a chuckle out of me.
I honestly don't get why anyone would be interested in investing in this series. Even with the strange phenomenon that PT turned out to be I still don't believe a new entry in the series will sell all that well unless it's of exceptional quality and has mass appeal.
Don't get me wrong, I'm super happy that we're getting something, especially with some of the original team being involved, but I don't believe this will ever meet everyone's expectations.
It's more simple than that:
- People want a new game.
- People want it to be good.
- People don't want Bloober Team handling a remake of the originals.
- Bloober Team is considered a poor fit for the series in general.
as much as i hate bloobers original works. they're pretty good with visuals and atmosphere and as long as they stay entirely faithful to the original game, i think they could do it justice. but....i don't have a lot of faith in that happening. i think the VO and delivery of the lines itself are quite important to the game...recasting and re-doing the dialogue could be disastrous imo (they tried with the remaster and it too was shit). the directing of the cut-scenes and disorientating camera system is also pretty important. if they cant get that right it's just going to suck.
lets hope they have a bluepoint mindset when handed a much loved game to be remade...and don't take the "this is our opportunity to inject our own ideas into it" approach.
lets hope they have a bluepoint mindset when handed a much loved game to be remade...and don't take the "this is our opportunity to inject our own ideas into it" approach.
Konami’s Silent Hill plans could include a remake, full sequel and episodic stories | VGC
Bloober Team is one developer understood to be working on a revival of the horror franchise…
www.videogameschronicle.com
Just caught that bit of info in the end as well... was this known already or not? That's pretty interesting that they'd go down that path again, work up a whole new separate teaser game.
i dont mind that either really. as long as the originals are there and faithful. we have dumb endings in silent hill already. i'd just consider it as one of those.
So we have new details from VGC now
www.resetera.com
VGC: Multiple Silent Hill projects are currently in development, and could include a remake, full sequel and story-focused episodic series. Rumor
Last week a collection of leaked concept images appeared to confirm that a new Silent Hill is or was in development. This followed a VGC story from last February, in which we reported that Konami was planning to revive the long-dormant horror game series. Now, details are emerging on what some...
www.resetera.com
Hmm, I understand why they'd want to go for a PT-style teaser again given how much of a splash it made but...
Konami can't just pretend that they didn't cancel and pull PT. People aren't going to trust that. I'm a little disappointed if that's all we will see.
Konami can't just pretend that they didn't cancel and pull PT. People aren't going to trust that. I'm a little disappointed if that's all we will see.
Dusk Golem hope everything is well with you.
And been awesome to see hype for SH again.
Thank you for what you shared.
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He'll be back because, as he said, he can't help himself and just loves to stir stuff up.
For what it's worth, I've always appreciated the leaks. Never appreciated the theatrics, though.
For what it's worth, I've always appreciated the leaks. Never appreciated the theatrics, though.
Thanks for all the info through the years, Dusk Golem. I've always seen you in a good light and completely understand the urge to share stuff you're excited about. Be well and be safe.
Dusk Golem I've always wanted you to be right but I really should blame the pandemic and disruption of gaming events as a cause for the delay in any significant reveals that we all waited for and got nothing. Many of us harshly lashed out against you as a scapegoat.
I'm a huge SH2 fan and really want a modern way to play the game (sans PC) and the remake news, no matter who's behind it, has me excited. I watched a trailer for the Medium to see what the Bloober fuss was about and I thought it looked intriguing. What was wrong with it?
I'm a huge SH2 fan and really want a modern way to play the game (sans PC) and the remake news, no matter who's behind it, has me excited. I watched a trailer for the Medium to see what the Bloober fuss was about and I thought it looked intriguing. What was wrong with it?
I'd be into that for sure! They'd have to definitely put some work into making the character interesting since everything around them will be what's really reflected in Silent Hill (though I think it would be neat to have the Otherworld still reflect some of the protag's psyche even if they're all-around well-adjusted!), but just because the town does call out to people doesn't mean that's the only way they can end up in the Otherworld. Unless they figure "fuck it, doesn't matter," there'd still have to be a bit of justification as to why the character ends up in the Otherworld since Silent Hill's still an active resort town in the real world, but there's so much they can do than just deep dark secrets.
Plus I've always thought Silent Hill would be best served as a way to experiment with horror, and not relying solely on the same form of confronting trauma would be a good direction to take imo.
This would be so cool.
A remake of Silent Hill 2 could be interesting, and honestly I wouldn't mind seeing what weird-ass stuff they come up with to change things up. I know it would piss off the fanbase, though, and I don't trust Bloober at ALL to actually handle anything with sensitivity; it'd be more out of curiosity than anything else. It would be really great if Konami would actually just remaster SH2 and do it properly this time around, that way we'd have a reimagined version and the original both easily accessible.
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Surprised there hasn't been a thread yet to be honest.
"Known Leaker Dusk Golem Announces Second Retirement!"
It's one of those things I'm amazed hasn't been tried yet. We've never seen a developer experiment with a main character who knows the town well and can comment on how different it is in the Fog World and the Otherworld.
No offense or anything, but most of the posts I've read from you are being down on Dusk. I'm not saying the dude doesn't deserve some criticism, but it really is just video games man lol. It should never be THAT serious enough for a person to have a Jason Vorhees like persistence with posts directing negativity towards someone.
Wonder if posting those pics could really put him trouble.
The person that share with him, I assume had NDA, but Dusk didn't.
Still those screenhots wasn't given in the most legal way.
The person that share with him, I assume had NDA, but Dusk didn't.
Still those screenhots wasn't given in the most legal way.
Girl, we really need to take some fresh air, touch some grass and recheck our life priorities because chile… some people are living through their entire two Euphoria seasons in a couple social media posts.
And for the worst kept industry secret of all time, at that lol. The fact that it's the people actually working on an anticipated game (and not projecting to be) who are seen as a villain here for wanting to defend their product… I don't know man, this thread is really fucked up and soul crushing. Y'all wanted to be Barbara Walters and it's giving Perez Hilton.
And for the worst kept industry secret of all time, at that lol. The fact that it's the people actually working on an anticipated game (and not projecting to be) who are seen as a villain here for wanting to defend their product… I don't know man, this thread is really fucked up and soul crushing. Y'all wanted to be Barbara Walters and it's giving Perez Hilton.
He (and other leakers) are making regular hardworking devs lives harder by posting leaks. All so that they can be internet famous and feel important. They definitely deserve criticism.
Fucking video games are what gives me money to eat every month 😭😭😭 some of you have never experienced contracts being broken because some rando decided to leak a confidential project before and it shows. Imagine coming back home after your 10 hour workday to say to your kids "hey next month one of you will not have food because somebody wanted to play Oprah and posted a screenshot of a fucking unannounced video game".
Did he now? What games were harmed by his leaks, resident evil 8 had it's ending and entire story leaked and barely anyone cared and the game still sold great, most of the projects he had information on were big AAA projects that weren't going to get canceled by a leak.
Change is good then, no?
"Making regular hardworking devs' lives harder" does not mean cancellation of a game, AAA or otherwise.
Educate yourself on the concerns from actual devs please, there's a whole other thread you posted in that you might do well to read rather than just using it as an opportunity to defend your boy.
To me, leaks are fine if it's a verb. A thing you do, because you can -- you have the information for whatever reason and say, 'okay, this thing I have is going public.' And you do that and leave it.
What Dusk does is not a verb, it's a job. He has connections, and leaks information in a way designed to generate clout and hype. He does very well at this I think. Problem is, I kind of hate the way it's treated -- Dusk treats it like it's he's actually a part of the corporate hype machine despite claims to be counter to that. He leaks stuff in the same way a company would, with all this stuff about holding back, or waiting to generate excitement, etc. It ends up always feeling manipulative, and then when someone (in this case, Nate, or Grubb) comes along and turns it into a verb and just puts the info out there, well, he actually got miffed over that. Then there's all the off-site drama, theatrics, 'retirements' and coming out of retirement I guess to just do a little more hurt (his words, not mine, I don't feel like this shit really hurts companies and frankly if it does, well, companies aren't your friends! Just check out Jim Ryan's opinions if you'd like to know more). I appreciate knowing more about Silent Hill, but I don't appreciate getting roped into all the extra stuff with this particular leaker. Wish him the best.
What Dusk does is not a verb, it's a job. He has connections, and leaks information in a way designed to generate clout and hype. He does very well at this I think. Problem is, I kind of hate the way it's treated -- Dusk treats it like it's he's actually a part of the corporate hype machine despite claims to be counter to that. He leaks stuff in the same way a company would, with all this stuff about holding back, or waiting to generate excitement, etc. It ends up always feeling manipulative, and then when someone (in this case, Nate, or Grubb) comes along and turns it into a verb and just puts the info out there, well, he actually got miffed over that. Then there's all the off-site drama, theatrics, 'retirements' and coming out of retirement I guess to just do a little more hurt (his words, not mine, I don't feel like this shit really hurts companies and frankly if it does, well, companies aren't your friends! Just check out Jim Ryan's opinions if you'd like to know more). I appreciate knowing more about Silent Hill, but I don't appreciate getting roped into all the extra stuff with this particular leaker. Wish him the best.