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New NieR Replicant ver.1.22 artwork shows off King of Facade & Fyra...but paler
- Thread starter Surakian
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Reminds me of when Shantae became white for a minute.
Love Kimihiko Fujisaka's work but I hope they go back in and fix this.
Love Kimihiko Fujisaka's work but I hope they go back in and fix this.
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Even the models lol?
Was meant to be a more sarcastic tone, sorry for any confusion.
Japan has a real issue with Black characters (and many they do include exude so many negative stereotypes)
Even the models lol?
I'm hoping his reply was sarcasm.
Edit: there you go
God I wonder if the way they're approaching this is "NieR is popular now, so let's make the artstyle more broadly appealing to JRPG players" like how they whitewashed 2P.
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All good!
Yeah, it's depressing. It's not like it is even hard to do good rep for BIPOC.
It's Akihiko Yoshida's artworks for these games, it doesn't have to mean anything in regards to the actual game.
I'm still waiting to see any part of this remaster that actually improves the original game instead of making it worse.
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It's Akihiko Yoshida's artworks for these games, it doesn't have to mean anything in regards to the actual game.
But the king and Fyra were definitely brown in the original game. It's not hard to want the artwork being used to promote the game to match up with the characters models. This also makes me and others nervous for how they will look in the remaster.
Kimihiko Fujisaka is the one who drew the new art.
I swear if I see some "Well, it's Japan" bullshit in this thread...
You can keep dismissing these issues like that and nothing will change even 10-20 years later. No, you're not an expert in Japanese culture, you're simply part of the problem.
You can keep dismissing these issues like that and nothing will change even 10-20 years later. No, you're not an expert in Japanese culture, you're simply part of the problem.
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Yikes. I vaguely knew about this but I'm looking deeper into it. This is not a good look on SE at all.
Why? From what I remember Fyra was not native to the region so it makes sense.
Woof.
Here's artwork of them from SINoALICE. Fyra has a lighter complextion than King of Facade (in the original game) but not Kaine pale.
Here's artwork of them from SINoALICE. Fyra has a lighter complextion than King of Facade (in the original game) but not Kaine pale.
But I do agree that multiple Japanese Devs struggle with darker and more feminine characters
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But she wasn't lily white like all of the new artwork is making her seem. She was tan.
Still I don't see the problem, I like the contrast between the characters. She Is different and should be different for story purpose
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There was still a difference between their skin tones. That doesn't mean that they need to suddenly make her pale white. It doesn't matter that she isn't from that region. She still was tan in the original game.
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I see the beauty in this change, the more different she is from the sangpeople, the more respected I feel about the way the sandpeople and Prince treat her, and she has other body problems too but I'll be quit for spoiler, loved the original
How this kind of stuff does not get noted before publishing, or the many other reasons why it might be noted but not acted on, clearly show the expectations at play and/or complete lack of attention and dismissal of what skin tone can mean. It's incompetence at best.
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I'm trying very hard to not just be very reactionary and upset because I can see you are looking at this from a sort of artistic view point where the contrast of cultures and union of two groups of people can be wonderful, and I agree that it is beautiful to see that.
The thing is, it was beautiful even in the original game, even when Fyra had tan skin. They don't have to make her look drastically different with a whole new skin tone for their story to become more meaningful or beautiful. The story already is meaningful.
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If a professional artist can't figure out how to show details on a character with darker skin without heavily lightening their skin to do that, then there is a big problem there.
And if DK could do it years ago, what is stopping Fujisaka?
I just checked. Wow, that makes me mad. The new 2P design is so much worse too.
Damn, this somehow remind me of how Caska skin in Berserk got whiter and whiter in manga and anime adaptation.
This seems to be a normal occurrence in Japanese media and I don't fucking know why.
This seems to be a normal occurrence in Japanese media and I don't fucking know why.
Agree to disagree then, like I said I agree that multiple Japanese studios can't write coloured or female characters. But it's a Yoko taro game with great characters who are not the norm ( damn spoilers) I give the game the benifit of the doubt
Really hoping for the best and the in-game models will retain their original skin tone but I have very low expectations from Japanese companies in general in regards to caring about diversity..
I guess on PC you'll be able to fix that with mods but that really should'nt be necessary..
Also I'm sure the people defending Kaine awful design because it was in the original won't bat an eye at this instead...
I guess on PC you'll be able to fix that with mods but that really should'nt be necessary..
Also I'm sure the people defending Kaine awful design because it was in the original won't bat an eye at this instead...
Oooh. Comparing her to her SCVI iteration. Bebe bought her so I forgot.
Naw, this is 2P in Soul Calibur
2P in FFXIV
You could make the argument that they are in fact completely separate characters sharing the same name but.. ehh...
Gives us Japanese audio and brother Nier for the first time in the West. Otherwise i see your point.
I mean, this is kind of the issue, it's not really known if this was the intent of the devs to make this the same character. Not that i am excusing the whitewashing
Hmm, thought Yoshida took over the character designing for the remaster? This doesn't look like his style. Either that is a really jarring change in the artwork.
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That's why I am holding NieR and its art to a higher standard because it is filled with fantastic characters. By making Fyra and pale, yet again BIPOC are losing out on representation in a game that once had representation.