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New Monmouth Poll (A+ pollster): Sanders, Warren tied for first while Biden drops 13 points
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Check these videos out when you get the chance and I think you'll see what I'm talking about.
They won't have to do anything, Bernie's shown he's more than capable of losing on his own merits.
As pointed out by others, if Sanders wins the nomination, the DNC will support him.
And not just "lukewarmly," because the choice would be either Sanders or Trump, and guess who the vast majority of Democrats would want elected...
Not to give undue voice to the scum of Wikileaks (and later corroboration), but I mean, 2016 definitely did not demonstrate that.
Was that the John Pedoesta emails? They were a fat load of nothingburger.
This poll doesn't matter, the Podesta E-Mails were a nothingburger, Bernie has no good foreign policy ideas and doesn't have PoC support, he's too loud, Donna Brazil is just a nice person, Bernie can't get anything done, it's actually Bernie Bros that were clapping for Kamala and then left, also he's not even a real democrat.
I think I covered everything you guys can all go to sleep now.
I think I covered everything you guys can all go to sleep now.
Meanwhile, Centrists: "let's just go back to the status quo instead of making the world a better place" (where the alt right is in hiding and comes out stronger again but with a more competent populist.)
The polling matters, and it'll matter more who it becomes a trend rather than an outlier. True. Already said I agreed with some of his foreign polices and sure he has POC support, he just doesn't have all of it. There are conservative, moderate and liberal POC's which don't worship the ground he walks on, they sided with Hillary in '16 and scattered with various candidates in this election. Everyone dislikes Donna Brazil, until she does something they like about rigging the election. Bernie can't get anywhere near as much done as he thinks. No opinion on that, haven't looked into the details of that event. Which is true, in fact it's something many people here view as a plus! Except when its convenient to ignore, then he's a loyal Democrat.
What happened to scrutinising candidates being a good thing?
You say as though President Bernie will do anything substantial about the Alt-Right or the status quo, a socialist president will tick them off like Obama did. He's a president, not a dictator where his will becomes law.
this was a real tweet I read yesterday
also I low-key agree with Ichthyosaurus that the president alone won't be enough to enact any meaningful changes unless they go full on emperor, which is why we should be pushing progressive candidates to run for senate.
Got approached by a mayor Pete canvasser and when she said 'mayor Pete', I had no clue. It didn't register. I spent 20 seconds confused, thinking about my mayor. My mayor isn't an elected official and the office doesn't do much. To confusion didn't help and I felt it threw the whole interaction off.
I'm assuming the moniker is to give him an identity but it wasn't helpful. And I'm glad he's not making progress.
I will dig it up for your entertainment gimme a few minutes
Those emails are a joke.The DNC didn't like Bernie, sure. But "everything in its power"? Those emails are from MAY. Bernie had long lost the primary by then.
It was essentially over in March. If the DNC rigged it in any way it was in making every state proportional.
Bernie was never catching up to Hillary after Super Tuesday and if you believe some shitty emails about a bigoted talking point that never really materialized, and talking about a messy campaign that didn't drop out even when it was clear they wouldn't win... if something like that can swing an election, then Bernie's refusal to drop out of the race like a democrat would have certainly could've costed Hillary Clinton 77.000 votes in MI, WI and PA in the general, states where Bernie was strong and had a lot of pissed supporters
I don't like relitigating 2016, but despite some people in the DNC having a clear bias toward wanting a...I don't know...registered Democrat to win the Democratic nomination, I'm unaware of any literal action being taken that disadvantaged Bernie in any meaningful way.
I just provided the emails that someone was asking for.
On another note:
What the fuck happened to Nate? And I don't mean pundit Nate, but data Nate. Surely he understands the difference between favorability and enthusiasm, right?
Like, enthusiasm is one of the few areas of candidate support where we can measure without even polling voters. The evidence that suggests that Biden has as much enthusiastic support as the rest of the candidates is virtually non-existent. Even Yang has more enthusiastic support than Biden. Let that sink in for a minute...
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You said, "the party did everything in it's power to keep bernie away", and they...did not, unless you want to count superdelegates, I guess. Which is iffy.
That second debate really killed her. Her takedown of Biden in the first put her on the map, but her flip-floppiness on policy woke people up.
This they should get heat for, but this type of this is rife with political organisations because people are terrible. I don't think this went anywhere, either. Whoever did that should have been disciplined, demoted or fired. That's an acceptable punishment. I'd love to hear what bullshit Bernie's campaign did behind closed doors, as well.
This is incredibly vague, they say they want to change the narrative on Bernie but all that happened was DWS giving Bernie a personal call? They don't like Bernie and think he's incompetent but that's not proof of a conspiracy.
A disagreement about a binding resolution.
A tv host call for DWS to resign, they want an apology instead. (DWS ended up resigning.)
Hillary fundraised for the DNC, and wanted to look over the agreement. DWS being corrupt. I don't know WTF that last thing was. None of this had anything to do with Bernie.
The biggest evidence would be the binding resolution, but did that go anywhere? There's are emails, what actions are thy linked to that fucked up Bernie's campaign in any capacity? All we get are bland and unreliable and dickish emails that go nowhere. Hardly concrete proof that the DNC are "rigging" anything for Hillary.
I do think the DNC did everything in their power to make Bernie go away, but they're an impotent and ultimately feckless organisation. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
here's a crazy idea: maybe Bernie lost because he was up against Hillary fucking Clinton, one of the biggest names in politics of all time, but he still did good enough to scare the DNC a little bit. Which is a compliment if anything.
here's a crazy idea: maybe Bernie lost because he was up against Hillary fucking Clinton, one of the biggest names in politics of all time, but he still did good enough to scare the DNC a little bit. Which is a compliment if anything.
That does not support the claim of "the dnc did everything in their power to keep Bernie away" like the person I quoted claimed. I already know about what you quoted.
This they should get heat for, but this type of this is rife with political organisations because people are terrible. I don't think this went anywhere, either. Whoever did that should have been disciplined, demoted or fired. That's an acceptable punishment. I'd love to hear what bullshit Bernie's campaign did behind closed doors, as well.
This is incredibly vague, they say they want to change the narrative on Bernie but all that happened was DWS giving Bernie a personal call? They don't like Bernie and think he's incompetent but that's not proof of a conspiracy.
A disagreement about a binding resolution.
A tv host call for DWS to resign, they want an apology instead. (DWS ended up resigning.)
Hillary fundraised for the DNC, and wanted to look over the agreement. DWS being corrupt. I don't know WTF that last thing was. None of this had anything to do with Bernie.
The biggest evidence would be the binding resolution, but did that go anywhere? There's are emails, what actions are thy linked to that fucked up Bernie's campaign in any capacity? All we get are bland and unreliable and dickish emails that go nowhere. Hardly concrete proof that the DNC are "rigging" anything for Hillary.
Again, I'm not relitigating the 2016 dumpster fire. I was just provided sources at someone's request.
If you were looking for evidence to support a more literal interpretation of that claim you're not going to find it as it would be impossible to quantify "everything in their power" without knowing everything that they did.
Tulsi Gabbard for all her garbage pretty much buried her regardless how valid her criticism were she didn't defend herself pretty
That and she had no defence for her record besides calling Gabbard an Assadist.
I think Beto would benefit tremendously from being VP for Warren. She excels at plans whereas he is mostly just talk. I don't say that trying to tear him down, but I don't think he's ready to be president even if he gets elected. A term or two under Warren and you can bundle that optimism and desire for big thinking with more concrete action and then you have the best version of Beto.
That's a BS poll when you consider the size of the margin of error. It could signify a trend, but it's not a good poll.
Huh? He's using the data. You're the one here who wants to use anecdotes. What data shows Biden doesn't have enthusiasm comparable to other candidates?
I don't think there's a conflation here. Can you go into more detail on why you think favorability can't be used as a measure for enthusiasm?
Folks still betting against Bernie I see.
Like they're football fanatics who are sour about last years loss and need to find an ax to grind
Like they're football fanatics who are sour about last years loss and need to find an ax to grind
