I'm voting Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday and there is nothing anybody can say for me to do otherwise. Nothing.
Fuck compromise.
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I'm voting Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday and there is nothing anybody can say for me to do otherwise. Nothing.
Fuck compromise.
Do you hear yourself right now? At the point where you're trying to calculate someone's life expectancy, I genuinely sincerely think you should probably take a step back and realize 1) That's morbid as hell 2) Realize that Warren and Biden are both of similar ages and face the same risk factors 3) They're all affluent and have access to the best healthcare in the country and they are all going to live deep into their 90s because of it
Again, concern trolling with "We can't elect him! What if he dies!" is both silly AND ghoulish. Don't. Please don't.
big sigh..
honestly this is all pointless if we don't have the senate.
look at all the great bills waiting on the senate floor to be voted on.
honestly this is all pointless if we don't have the senate.
look at all the great bills waiting on the senate floor to be voted on.
i believe in Bernie, but not his policies, ill probably just vote for him in the primary. Anyone whos moderate who worries about him passing M4A should remember hes gotta get it through a moderate Congress, and democrats are way more un-united than Republicans.
im not trying to change anyones vote. im just challenging this idea that Bernie is gonna bring about this revolution that fixes everything in this country. its ridiculous and setting such high expectations means the falls gonna be even greater.
True winning the presidency would be terrible for a leftist movement in America thank you for stating this in clearly good faith
we can have better things.
bernie isat the only better thing,.
Im saying that y'all want BEST things.
yooo
the entire fabric of the country is at stake here, and if BETTER has a higher percent chance of being effective than BEST, then im going with BETTER.
shit ill even take GOOD if it means beating trump.
I'm just having a hard time understanding how anyone could argue that Bernie can't work with anyone, when one of his opponents admitted to working with him on legislation. Biden gave him a hug on stage for crying out loud.
I'm a Bernie supporter and I like Warren. My main criticism of Bernie is that his message is getting stale. He needs a message that weaves issues a bit more artfully.
I'm a Bernie supporter and I like Warren. My main criticism of Bernie is that his message is getting stale. He needs a message that weaves issues a bit more artfully.
Warren is the WEAKEST to go against Trump and she proved that the day she accepted Donald Trump's dare to get DNA tested.
Except that's not at all what Mekanos is arguing. He even explicitly stated this in the post you read and responded to.
Climate change is an imminent threat to our existence. We can't afford to settle for just "good enough as long as we beat trump" in that regard
Bernie has made it relatively clear to his supporters that he, as a candidate, and he as a President, will not be a silver bullet to fixing the problems that plague this country. Anyone suspecting otherwise is either not a supporter who doesn't know any better, or -- worse -- is actively working with opposition to taint his messaging to set up inappropriate expectations so that his support or terms can be cut short. Any revolution that brings about what he desires is going to require people who give a shit *now* to continue giving a shit long after he is elected. Even then, almost 99% of people who will vote for him will do so first and primarily because he is an honest man, which is something the office in a post-truth and post-Trump world desperately fucking needs.
Naw
Pete is. You can't go against Trump as a Democrat have and have no black support
This is how the country is going to be governed until the filibuster is struck down, the senate is absolished, or one of the two parties gets 60 members in the senate outside of other bill.
Unless you believe there's a candidate out there that can convince the 52 republicans that just absolved trump of his impeachment to work with us.
Bernie supporters are not your enemy, save that vulgarity for those that deserve it.
People are not going to take well to someone who comes into office and undoes a bunch of things they've had 4-8 years to enjoy and benefit from. That's largely how the ACA has survived, and the ACA is fucking awful, just marginally less awful than what existed prior.
the sad thing is that Bloomberg is going to carpet bomb his money on Super Tuesday and probably buy out votes at a Brokered Convention
a "Good enough" "status quo" president got us into the Paris climate accord.
trump got us out of it.
any dem candidate NOT JUST BERNIE would get us back in that.
For the record, I love Warren also and I would gladly vote for her if she won the nomination.
However.
The "socialist" boogieman argument has never scared me. They label EVERY Democratic nominee a Socialist. They labeled Obama a socialist. The people that actually scares are already Republican voters before you even bring that up.
What DOES scare me is how sexist America is. America has proven to me MANY times they are more sexist than they are racist. THAT is why Warren's GE matchups are worse than Bidens and Bernies. Her policies are fine (although not quite as aggressive as Sanders).
Also, every single Democratic President, even Biden, wouldn't be able to pass a SINGLE policy in a Senate controlled by the GOP. So that is a moot point - none of the nominees are different for that problem.
What makes Bernie different is that he is consistently on the right side of history and consistently attacks things from the right progressive place. Would Biden win more Senate Seats than Bernie? Maybe. Maybe not. But it doesn't matter if he doesn't win the nomination.
You don't try to "game" your fucking primary vote. You vote for the candidate YOU, PERSONALLY, would most like to see as president. That's it.
However.
The "socialist" boogieman argument has never scared me. They label EVERY Democratic nominee a Socialist. They labeled Obama a socialist. The people that actually scares are already Republican voters before you even bring that up.
What DOES scare me is how sexist America is. America has proven to me MANY times they are more sexist than they are racist. THAT is why Warren's GE matchups are worse than Bidens and Bernies. Her policies are fine (although not quite as aggressive as Sanders).
Also, every single Democratic President, even Biden, wouldn't be able to pass a SINGLE policy in a Senate controlled by the GOP. So that is a moot point - none of the nominees are different for that problem.
What makes Bernie different is that he is consistently on the right side of history and consistently attacks things from the right progressive place. Would Biden win more Senate Seats than Bernie? Maybe. Maybe not. But it doesn't matter if he doesn't win the nomination.
You don't try to "game" your fucking primary vote. You vote for the candidate YOU, PERSONALLY, would most like to see as president. That's it.
You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding something in your downward spiral here - No one is expecting Sanders to magically bring about a Socialist Utopia during his time in office.
A revolution by the lower classes is inevitable. Bernie Sanders and his presidency is merely one of the sparks. It will be a very long and very difficult fight and nothing will change overnight. We're going to be hit by accelerated disasters from climate change and it will require social safety nets and the government working for actual people, not the rich and corporations, to get through it without millions if not billions dead.
It is happening no matter how much you shout at your computer screen. People matter and they will fight for their lives and you will have to deal with that. One of the ways we're fighting is through Sanders and your antics are not going to dissuade any of us that are clawing tooth and nail through this.
This is all Trump has spent the past four years doing. And his base loves him for it.
The Paris accords is not good enough to even begin addressing climate change
I just get frustrated on this site when bernie is treated as the only sane option. he's not. and theres a 50-50 chance he won't be the candidate, and I don't want people to just give up on November if its not him.
Just look at the US in the early 1900s. There was some heavy unrest that is not taught often pre-college.
Bernie will get the "Plurality" of the delegates but not reach the magic number to secure the nomination.
The convention will be a Brokered Convention.
Just watch Bloomberg dump his money and buy out everyone
Ok, we get it, you think Warren is better and Bernie is best, and you think Warren has a better chance of winning.
Now show us your work. What metrics are you using to arrive at the conclusion that the person third in the polls and stagnating, and trailing far behind Sanders, has a better shot of winning than Bernie.
This. They're doing backflips over him firing those who testified against him. And they LOVE it every time he dismantles an Obama poilicy no matter how petty
^ What he said.
It's going to take significantly more for this country, and the world, to wake up than a Bernie presidency. However it is a critical first step.
Bernie or bust.
Man, the most anticipated debate of the batch and I missed the live broadcast. All those shitposts I didn't get to make! Oh well, gonna play catch up later today then.
I can talk for myself an many of my local card carrying DSA folk, we're casting our presidential votes to whoever the Democrat is on the ballot. I believe, and I could be wrong here, that the folks that left Bernie losing in 2016 for Hillary are not a part of the Bernie drive now. You've got democrats voters now, and there are some new supporters that were unhappy with their vote for Trump in 2016. I'd like it if those new folks stay Blue in the election if Bernie falters.
Unfortunately people need to prepare themselves for the possibility of needing a second choice. And I'm sorry, but "I didn't get Sanders so fuck the world let's all die" is not a second choice.
Amen. Nobody thinks Bernie sanders is a one-man revolution and once he takes office we'll have our glorious socialist utopia. Literally nobody thinks that. Enough of us have said as much that, at this point, anyone arguing against the strawman that we all think he will is posting in bad faith. Full stop.
He is a step forward. A big step, but still a step. The work is not done when he takes the oath of office. We have a long road ahead of us, but we cannot keep kicking the can down the road.
you are the problem with this bernie or bust shit.
some of y'all are mad priviliged to be totally ok with another trump presidency as long as its not who beats bernie.
I agree. Mrs. Cotton always looks at me understandably after each of the debates, she knows it, I know it, you know it, most people know it: it's going to be a really small chance for Bernie to take the nomination.
So fucking lets go get the Senate. We can't do anything if we don't try. Regardless of how improbable it might be we have to try.
But Bernie or bust isn't going to be the reason why the Democrats would lose to Trump on 2020. it wasn't the reason why they lost in 2016. The whole thing is always been overblown
You're extremely privileged to think that a return to the Obama years is good enough.