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Feb 10, 2018
17,534
Yuuuuuuuuup.

His "the steam engline/robots are stealing jobs" thesis is also total bullshit given unemployment rates. The issue is with how we need stronger safety nets to deal with a polarized workforce, and his proposal for UBI isn't even that!

UBI is still a good idea having a $1000/month safety would releave so much stress for people and create opportunities, other welfare is the absolute bare minimum which require people go though a crappy system.
 

RailWays

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
15,665
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Amazing
 

jph139

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,359
Any use of "forwards not backwards" just makes me think of the Simpsons episode with Clinton and Dole.
 

leder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,111
Yang's core idea "AI is killing all the jobs" is completely wrong and his core policy of UBI would hurt the poor because it's designed to be paid with a VAT (fine) and you can't claim UBI in his plan without losing Medicaid etc benefits (extremely bad)

His literal only two ideas are absolutely terrible and a lot of his other half-baked ideas are worse.

He's only at 1-2% instead of 0% because no one takes him seriously enough to attack.
Yeah this is a pretty good summary.
 

Betelgeuse

Member
Nov 2, 2017
2,941
Thank you for mentioning civil liberties.

I hate that we've just swept warrantless wiretapping under the rug.
 

Ashodin

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,585
Durham, NC
PEOPLE WHO EXIST IN THIS DEBATE:

Bernie
Klob
Steyer
Pete

PEOPLE WHO DON'T EXIST:

Yang
Warren

PEOPLE WHO ARE GHOSTS:

Biden
 

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,831
Sanders continues to be have a strong performance. Probably my favorite debate performance from him.
 

Narroo

Banned
Feb 27, 2018
1,819
M4A has a guideline for prices for procedures that is in line with other first world countries.

There's studies from right winged institutions that say that overall prices will go down by 2-3 trillion dollars over ten years compared to current healthcare.
Here's the thing, a guideline for prices doesn't seem to be a rigorous solution for the underlying issues. Again, it's a brute force bandaid that doesn't address the core issues. They're just setting prices based on what's going in other countries, as opposed to our own, and then are hopping that everything just sorts itself out. It's better than doing nothing, but it's not necessarily the best way to go about it. At the very least, I'm not convinced our current (assuming Bernie wins) is in the proper shape to implement reforms and M4A in an efficient manner.


Pete truly is an AI platitude generator, which I guess is the whole point of his candidacy.


Your logic is reversing reality entirely. Bernie is the only candidate that's offering an actual upheaval of the system, addressing it as it is: a broken system that needs to be broken down. The health care industry doesn't need to improve - it needs to stop being an industry. The others are the ones who are proposing slight modfiications and band-aid policies.
Two things:
1.) Bernie is not offering an upheaval of the system and breaking the old system down. All he is offering is how the end users, the "consumers" of the medical industry pay. We'd be going from out-of-pocket and private insurance to paying with taxes. While that might be Armageddon for insurance companies, the medical system as a whole will still be in place along with all of it's issues.

2.) The Medical industry will always be an industry by the definition of industry. It may be a non-profit industry, but still an industry. You have doctors, nurses, researchers, technicians, and support staff all basing their careers on improving people's health. This is their full time job and they need to be paid. That's an industry.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,798
Sanders has the fucking patience of a God and is showing tonight how much solidarity his has with everyone and how ready he is to move forward from 2016 BS. People need to stop acting like he's leading a toxic campaign; he has dodged every attempt from everyone on that stage to drag this process down, and he has done so with class. When we so often say, "be better", I gotta say that is exactly what has been defining for Bernie in 2020: he's better. And he's better than anyone on that stage right now, is talking the talk, and walking the walk.
 

Afrikan

Member
Oct 28, 2017
16,947
Because the problems are fuckin bad and haven't been solved yet, it needs to be drilled into people's skulls

And not everyone watches every debate...or follows these politicians. Some might have heard of Bernie Sanders' name... heard he was crazy or what ever... so if this moment helped more people really learn what he is about, then it's worth it.

If folks really understand what he's trying to get done... who he has to go up against... if they understand how things are around the world, compared to us... then yes it's worth it.

Again, there are some who don't know basic shit about these politicians and just go off what their friends or TV says...or judge them how they look.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
UBI is still a good idea having a $1000/month safety would releave so much stress for people and create opportunities, other welfare is the absolute bare minimum which require people go though a crappy system.
UBI implemented properly is a good idea. Yang's proposal is not that, it's literally inaccessible to people who are already using government safety nets aka the people who are in need of help most! But it's very accessible to people who aren't actively using them, which is why you see it most popular with young childless men, the group least likely to be in need of those safety nets.
 

Prodigal Son

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,791
Great answer from Pete.
hey what circumstances are there to illegally assassinate an official of a foreign government

UBI implemented properly is a good idea. Yang's proposal is not that, it's literally inaccessible to people who are already using government safety nets aka the people who are in need of help most! But it's very accessible to people who aren't actively using them, which is why you see it most popular with young childless men, the group least likely to be in need of those safety nets.
first kirblar post ive read, nodding in agreement with everything
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,819
"Bernie, socialism is unpopular, explain how you can win?"

"Pete, you're the ONLY veteran here, what would you do?"
 

Christo750

Member
May 10, 2018
4,263
If you're through one primary and still trying to persuade people to get to know your personality, you're probably not taking it, Klobuchar.