I wonder if Broly is gonna be in this . They have been surprisingly conservative with this new version of him that seems just as popular. But besides that. Glad me have Dragon Ball to talk about
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The movie is for ticket sales more than it is for merchandise. And Dragon Ball anime is an absolute necessity in the Super era, its a matter of when its coming. They have had the downtime and the movie announcement shows the are ready and ramping things up just as they did when they intended to continue the story of DB (I think Battle of Gods was only testing the waters).
The difference now is that the manga will have two non-adapted arcs at the very least done by the time the film releases, and it is really hard to see them just releasing it and having it take place with Goku and Vegeta developed far further than they were in the Broly film that took place right after DBS went on hiatus.
Dragon Ball is far too big for it to be up to Toriyama to decide what happens, especially since he won't be doing it forever. Logically there is just no way they are going to ignore things like SSJ4 Goku vs. Baby Vegeta when they enter that point in the continued timeline. If anything it is much easier on them to REWRITE GT arcs and do things differently/better executed.
GT's villains being reimagined and revamped is something they won't ignore. Especially since Omega Shenron and Baby Vegeta are considerably successful villains given the GT hate and Super #17 is a decent excuse to use the popular #17 on a bigger scale.
I can guarantee you they make far far more on merchandise sales then they will on ticket sales from the movie.
TV series is not a necessity for this franchise, the fact its still relevant to this day without a continuous tv series is testament to that. They spent far less of production on Dragon ball Heroes and achieve the same effect.
Just because the manga is 2 arcs ahead means absolutely nothing, when Super was airing it went far ahead of the manga without a care at all.
They can do nothing with the franchise without his blessing or direct input.
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DBS Broly only got its first visual 3 months after its reveal, so I expect it to be around the same time frame.
The worst about that arc was that 4 of the dragons were jobbers and for some reason only Goku and Pan were there
If they are making a movie, it is primarily for ticket sales. Why do you think they are setting it up for 2022, when theater attendance is expected to be significantly better? They could have easily dumped in on VOD or a streaming service but they are hungry to make the money the last few films have gotten. Merchandise will always play a part but the movie scenario is very different, and historically it has meant a bigger initiative is on the way.
DBS made DB WAAAAAY more relevant than it had been since the dub ended of DBZ so they can only go so long before it has a material effect on the brand popularity and it goes back completely down to pre-Battle of Gods levels. So yeah, it is absolutely necessary it comes back and DBH can only buy so much time before DBS feels antiquated, hence why we are getting another movie squeezed in before the anime return.
And yes it means a lot because the fanbase has to be aware of whats going on. They were even afraid in Broly to touch Ultra Instinct because it had only been debuted to the Japanese audience. If Goku and Vegeta have any other notable changes it is going to feel disjointed trying to explain it and act as if the events between Broly and that film were insignificant.
But the original GT happened and was disastrous with his blessing lol. Is he really going to take a stand against incorporating story lines and characters the fanbase likes and that Toei makes money on these past 20 something years? Like it or not, GT is part of DB history and is still used in the franchise to this day.
The problem isn't just Toriyama. After GT, Toei itself doesn't want to go on without him. It's why Super only happened after Toriyama himself took the initiative of being involved in production again with Battle of Gods and Revival F. If one day they dump that fear and decide to go forward with non-Toriyama arcs, there's also the possibility the staff will want to do their own stories, rather than just remake an old anime.
Just look at Heroes. Bandai has no problems sponsoring entire episodes that are just commercials, and can't even be licensed for broadcast or anything else to recoup costs, and yet Toei didn't make it an actual tv series.
Toei doesn't want to go on without him? Then why are they preparing for his inevitable exit? lol. Dragon Ball doesn't end with Toriyama, that much is clear. Sure they have used as much input as possible from him but they want the franchise to run as long as it possibly can. And if they were so against GT then they would have stopped using the designs, characters, etc. long ago but it is as used as ever. Clearly there is an attachment to those aspects of GT that they are unwilling to drop and the timeline will eventually have to align with those events if the series continues to run for years to come.
Its not like they are going to recreate GT in its exact form. They could have all new arcs that take place before and after the reimagined Baby arc, Super #17 could be an outcome from an original new villain, the Shadow Dragons could be completely altered leading to Omega Shenron, etc. But I just don't see Toei NOT revisiting and fixing the problematic areas of GT for the sake of building on their already popular GT material.
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GT is explicitly non canon and there has been ZERO attempts to reconcile Super with it.
The games and merchandise use non canon material like the movies or filler characters, but that doesn't necessarily reflect on the story.
Crossover material like Heroes treats GT as an alternate universe, and downright states SS4 is weak sauce next to the Ultra Instinct.
The ideas might be adapted like how Granolah is basically Baby, but we're certainly not headed to a remake of GT
There are various groups involved here. The GT push you see nowadays is from Bandai, not Toei. The Dragonball Room created to manage the brand is from Shueisha, not Toei. It's why I brought up the Heroes promo-anime. Bandai is outright paying Toei for episodes which can only be used as commercials, rather than just partially sponsoring a new tv series like they do with many other franchises, like PreCure or Digimon, which shows pretty clearly that Toei still isn't willing to do a new Dragonball tv series without Toriyama's name.
But it doesn't work like that. Super is struggling to even give the appearance it cares about the End of Z but it can't be shackled by that brief moment in the series, even more so for aligning with GT. Things are changing and being altered but they are going to try their best to hit the World Tournament 28th despite how different it is going to potentially look.
Going forward things will reflect the changes in the continuity, the reverse would only be harmful and set their efforts back. If the series timeline will eventually hit those points, I see no reason trying to incorporate them in brand new form. Its more difficult for movie characters to be added this way, as it is many people hardly believe a Saiyan as powerful as Broly was just stranded on a planet lol.
But do you really think Goku and Pan aren't going to go across the galaxy looking for some set of Dragon Balls eventually? Or Baby Vegeta isn't ever going to canonically appear? Or the Dragon Ball usage isn't going to backfire with the Shadow Dragons? Even though they were poorly done, they seem too remarkable in the DB timeline to write-off as never happened.
And how exactly is Granolah the same as Baby other than by being a Tuffle?
We are talking about businesses here. Dragon Ball is a hugely successful brand that is going to outlive it's creator and there is not going to be a day where they aren't prepared for it going without him. Its already in the making as we speak which works against the point you are trying to make.
GT can be pushed by one company versus another, but the exposure they continue to give it only continues its tight ties to the franchise. We are not talking about a spin-off here, we are talking about a DBZ sequel here that takes place AFTER everything experienced in DBS thus far. There is an expectation or understanding that these events still take place in the future.
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Granolah is the sole survivor of a Saiyan Massacre hellbent on getting revenge for his people. That's the main idea behind Baby, with a completely different execution.
That's about the same you can expect for other GT ideas.
Let me guess….. trunks will Somehow get butchered even worse. The more this series goes the more future trunks gets changed.
But Baby is a parasite-spreading creation that is more of a Tuffle mutant experiment than a "Tuffle survivor". All that they have in common is that they want revenge against the Saiyans for the tragedy that befell the Tuffle race/planet. They are drastically different and can co-exist, unless Granolah's plan is to revive the Tuffle race through taking over Earth's population lol.
I hope they don't adapt any of the manga arcs after Tournament of Power. I would want to see those expanded upon and fleshed out some more in the anime, and not a "cliff" notes version. This does really make me wonder, what's "cannon" going forward for Super? So Broly leads immediately after ToP, we would assume this movie leads after that. So would the manga arcs fit nicely into this or will there have to be some retconning to make this work in the future for the hopeful return of the anime? I really don't want them to re-do the movies into the anime either.
With Broly they had already given December as the release month but only a year was given for this one which makes me think it's more than a year away. If it's a fall or December movie we might not see anything more until the end of this year.
Well Toriyama was involved in the first manga original arc (he didn't do the outline but came up with some story stuff including a major thing) and did the outline for the current one, so I don't expect anything in this movie to conflict with the manga. I also don't expect heavy ties to the manga either, but we might get a small reference or something.
Moro is implied to take place immediately after Broly (but not directly stated so there is a bit of wiggle room I guess), so I kinda expect this movie to be i between Moro and Granolah or after Granolah. The story for the Granolah arc was worked on over a long period of time apparently , so Toriyama might have been writting this movie and working on the Granolah arc around the same time.
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Interesting, should be fun to see how long it will take before we get news.
I just need 1 visual poster so I know how the character designs look like.
That's what I want to see the most.
"Terrible" lol. I don't know what kind of lame troll this is but the Broly movie, especially the part in that link, is the pinnacle of anime in terms of visuals, artstyle and animation. Can't get better than that.
I believe it is entirely dependent on how fast the theaters recover. The vague "2022" release sounds like its being cautious not to have to move the release date around several times like so many theatrical releases have been doing since last year
What are the chances that Toriyama rehashes another villain/villain concept?
Let's see:
Battle of Gods: Original
RoF: Frieza
U6 Tournament: New
Goku Black: Evil Goku and Trunks coming from the future again
ToP new:
Broly: Do I need to say?
Moro: King Piccolo clone
Granolah: Looks new so far
Let's see:
Battle of Gods: Original
RoF: Frieza
U6 Tournament: New
Goku Black: Evil Goku and Trunks coming from the future again
ToP new:
Broly: Do I need to say?
Moro: King Piccolo clone
Granolah: Looks new so far
If it were up to the fans it would be Cooler so don't complain about their "rehashes" lol.
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This is correct.
GT and the Z-era movies are essentially "What If?" Stories.
And like any good EU it's been used as an idea farm to refine and bring into the main series
I don't even know if they could. As far as I know mangaka co-own their manga. But most of the licensing work is done through the publisher. Maybe it was different back then. But if a mangaka doesn't want his series to get an anime for example then it will not happen.
GT as we have seen it would be very hard to align continuing from Super (whenever that ends), but it is so much further into the future of the series that it isn't relevant at this point anyways. They can choose to make whatever they want canon from it when they have to come across it. The same way Broly wasn't canon until they felt like making it that way for fan service.
Expect the same for SSJ4 and anything else popular from GT, its just how these popular franchises function lol
While I do think that redoing GT would be neat, I don't even think Super is going to make it to the End of Z.
I don't think there's any indication Toriyama is outright opposing an anime without his involvement, it's just Toei doesn't want to do it.
As bad as GT is, we have been exposed to those events as part of the continuity to the point where they feel "remarkable" in the timeline. I even hate when Goku gets turned into a kid, but I see it as another plot point they are going to hit again for at least the length of a saga. It doesn't have to be 1:1, there is no way it can be anyway, but GT has had such a presence that I think they'll hit all the major notes at least briefly or in some way in that period of the franchise (like when the characters are older). That and much more, GT was rushed because it was a sinking ship.
The biggest one is the whole battle of SSJ4 Goku vs. Baby Vegeta, its like begging to be told in a much more developed and memorable arc in the "GT era" of the DB timeline. And the fans love the designs so thats enough to make them "official" in the canon
Modern Dragon Ball turning into a fix-fic for every marginally memorable but poorly executed idea in the franchise would be a real shame when Dragon Ball can literally do whatever it wants
GT was already about mashing together as many show and movie ideas together as they could so they could go "remember when?"
What is stopping it? The series has literally all the time in the world, Goten and Trunks have been ~7 years old for like the last 8 arcs. Its in a unique position where it can re-approach the few bullet points that make up the very short GT and implement them in proper way while doing everything else it wants to do.
Except they haven't been. They were 7 and 8 respectively when the Buu Saga was happening, the year 774. Pan was born in 779 and Bra was born in 780. So Trunks is somewhere between 13-14 and Goten is somewhere between 12-13.
A reminder that this was how Goku looked at around 15-16:
Saiyans age weird. They basically just sprout up into adults one day, then stay young looking for a super long time.
Except they haven't been. They were 7 and 8 respectively when the Buu Saga was happening, the year 774. Pan was born in 779 and Bra was born in 780. So Trunks is somewhere between 13-14 and Goten is somewhere between 12-13.
A reminder that this was how Goku looked at around 15-16:
Saiyans age weird. They basically just sprout up into adults one day, then stay young looking for a super long time.
Gohan actually grew throughout his childhood. Goten and Trunks are meant to be seen as the age they were when they were introduced, they don't want actual attention being brought to the fact that quite a years have gone by already
Why do trunks and history of trunksExcept they haven't been. They were 7 and 8 respectively when the Buu Saga was happening, the year 774. Pan was born in 779 and Bra was born in 780. So Trunks is somewhere between 13-14 and Goten is somewhere between 12-13.
A reminder that this was how Goku looked at around 15-16:
Saiyans age weird. They basically just sprout up into adults one day, then stay young looking for a super long time.
Which was refeenced in super
Age diffeent
Dragon Ball Super: Gohan
My boy is finally about to shine in ways everyone else can't imagine.
Honestly, I have no idea what's going in the manga, nor do I have any clue what the movie could be about. However, Broly was dope, so I'm excited to see a trailer for this. And then inevitably be mad that it's another Goku and Vegeta outing.
My boy is finally about to shine in ways everyone else can't imagine.
Honestly, I have no idea what's going in the manga, nor do I have any clue what the movie could be about. However, Broly was dope, so I'm excited to see a trailer for this. And then inevitably be mad that it's another Goku and Vegeta outing.