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New Dragon Age & Mass Effect - Can Bioware Deliver?
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Yeah, same here. I think that BioWare is definitely a different company, but with new talent comes new ways of doing things. I think they'll pull through on both Dragon Age and Mass Effect.
Can as in is it possible? Yes of course. How likely it will be though? I'm not holding my breath. If it happens I'll be happy, if it doesn't business as usual.
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Yes I agree with you
I think they need to look at what made the earlier games popular and create something new based on that.
As long as they have someone with a clear vision in mind for each project it should be great
I played and finished Dragon Age Inquisition and tried Anthem on my brother's PS4. I've no confidince that Biowars is going to produce something that I would consider good.
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I think they can if each project has someonr with a clear vision. That's what I feel has been missing from their recent games. They felt muddled and all over the place
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I doubt it very much. BioWare have not made a good game for many years and don't seem to have an efficient development process. Their last two games spent years in development but were still shockingly undercooked.
The only cause for optimism is that so many of the old producers have left so maybe things will get done differently from now on.
The only cause for optimism is that so many of the old producers have left so maybe things will get done differently from now on.
I mean, who knows? It's been years since we've really had a release I would view as indicative of where the company is at. Andromeda was a B-team that doesn't even exist anymore, and Anthem was a supremely misguided attempt to step out of their comfort zone that even Bioware at its best just wouldn't have been a good match for. The last BioWare-ass BioWare game was Inquisition, which was clearly held back by some EA design mandates and a bad engine, but honesty if ME4 and DA4 could hit that quality again, I'd take it. It's been so long though, the actual talents of the people still at BioWare is a bit of a mystery.
It's also important to know that, even if they're successful, it's never going to be Mass Effect Trilogy 2.0. There are new people, the technology is different...
We want these games to evolve, not just be stuck in time. That's what I hope.
We want these games to evolve, not just be stuck in time. That's what I hope.
No. But maybe?
And the only hope is EA.The last time they were given a blank check we got Andromeda. It is absolutely clear by now that BioWare does not have the creative vision or (most inportantly) the management to get an AAA RPG out the door.
Sure, EA had shitty policies and the rushing of ME3 seriously hurt the game.These problems are in the past though and EA had a big turnaround regarding its relationship with BioWare and it backfired spectacularly.
There is no denying now that the problem is not with the publisher but with the studio.
Edit: I see there seems to be a shakeup, hoping for the best.
And the only hope is EA.The last time they were given a blank check we got Andromeda. It is absolutely clear by now that BioWare does not have the creative vision or (most inportantly) the management to get an AAA RPG out the door.
Sure, EA had shitty policies and the rushing of ME3 seriously hurt the game.These problems are in the past though and EA had a big turnaround regarding its relationship with BioWare and it backfired spectacularly.
There is no denying now that the problem is not with the publisher but with the studio.
Edit: I see there seems to be a shakeup, hoping for the best.
Ah lol I honestly didn't read it as I'm a bit busy.
I think there's an excellent chance that BioWare will deliver two "good" games with competent "AAA gameplay" or solid storytelling.
I also think there's a barely non-zero chance that BioWare will deliver two games with excellent storytelling and industry-defining gameplay.
I say this because BioWare and EA have no incentive to take any risks with either series. The dedicated fanbases will eat these games up even if BioWare does the bare minimum to avoid another Andromeda in terms of storytelling, character-writing, and presentation. Mass-market appeal won't be an issue as long as the games are pretty and their gameplay looks like any open-world action RPG /TPS released in the past 5 years.
I also think there's a barely non-zero chance that BioWare will deliver two games with excellent storytelling and industry-defining gameplay.
I say this because BioWare and EA have no incentive to take any risks with either series. The dedicated fanbases will eat these games up even if BioWare does the bare minimum to avoid another Andromeda in terms of storytelling, character-writing, and presentation. Mass-market appeal won't be an issue as long as the games are pretty and their gameplay looks like any open-world action RPG /TPS released in the past 5 years.
No developers set out to make a 'bad game.' Of course they are going to try their hardest and work every angle to make these good. The question is how it will all come together from those leading the vision imo. I'm sure there are tons and tons of very talented people working there but, to make a bad music comparison, the orchestration and arrangement of the whole band is ultimately what determines how the song comes together as a unit.
Geez, the way people shit on Bioware it's like they came into their home and ate the last piece of cake. The main studio had one fairly bad game this generation, Anthem, and the side studio had Andromeda. Yeah, they stumbled. Yeah, some of their talent left. But Bioware still has a lot of talented people working there. And Mass Effect has some returning veterans working on the series. And there has been a management shake up.
At least give them a chance to get things right again before writing them off forever.
At least give them a chance to get things right again before writing them off forever.
I really, really hope they can as I love both series.
I just don't believe they can. Anthem destroyed my trust in them but i'll cheer them on anyway to make the best games they can.
I just don't believe they can. Anthem destroyed my trust in them but i'll cheer them on anyway to make the best games they can.
Let's hope they deliver another 96 metacritic me2 tier adventure for both.
Let's just hope we don't get some crappy live service garbage shoved into both too I guess.
Let's just hope we don't get some crappy live service garbage shoved into both too I guess.
It's very disheartening reading such things while trying to stay active here.
Maybe. It depends on what the devs want to make first and foremost.
Bioware has eroded any goodwill/trust they've built from the BG days. Im not saying its impossible, but I don't think they're going to get a lot of free hype from a couple of teaser trailers given their output in the last decade. Its going to be a long, slow process to earn that trust back.
Lol of course they can. Bioware has a lot of talented people still working there. Anthem and Andromeda were games that both had serious production issues stemming from mismanagement. If they can fix their pipeline, they can produce great games again straight up.
People around here act like Anthem and Andromeda were dumpster fires... but both were 60-70 metacritic mediocre games with a lot of good qualities mixed in with their bad ones. I fully believe they could absolutely have been 90% rated games if they had been managed well from the start. There's still talent and potential there.
People around here act like Anthem and Andromeda were dumpster fires... but both were 60-70 metacritic mediocre games with a lot of good qualities mixed in with their bad ones. I fully believe they could absolutely have been 90% rated games if they had been managed well from the start. There's still talent and potential there.
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It's been sooo long since Bioware made a truly great game. It'd probably be Mass Effect 2, which came out over 10 years ago at this point.
... So it's hard to be all that optimistic. If these games are disappointments, any good will remaining towards Bioware will be gone.
... So it's hard to be all that optimistic. If these games are disappointments, any good will remaining towards Bioware will be gone.
I wasn't talking directly to anyone in this thread. Just sharing my general thoughts on the matter and where I think the developers' heads are at.
Hopefully, but I sincerely doubt they will ever be back in their prime unless drastic changes happen to Bioware as a whole.
Speak for yourself, Liara is my fav character from the series♥️ :)
In all seriousness it'll take a while until we see anything from the game but I do have hope BioWare can steer ME back in the right direction.
I really, really hope that they do but it can be argued that the last few Bioware games have been disappointing to say the least. I know these games are likely 3 years out plus in terms of release but I want them to take however much time that they need in order to get it right. I was hoping that Anthem would be good but that was also a disappointment as well. Hoping for the best but who knows.
If the question was if people hoped Bioware could deliver great games I'm sure the answers would be very different.
Geez, people prioritizing their money over blind fanboyism and hype. The consumers should only be allowed to abandon a corporate entity after 10 bad games.
Why? People liked the characters from the trilogy.They were, after all, one of the main selling points of these games, and I'm sure that after 8 years(or more like 12-13 years when the game actually launch) since ME3, if you're going to make an actual sequel to ME3, people will like seeing at least one of their favorite character back.
It's not like they showed half the Trilogy crew in the teaser, that wouldn't have make any sense and would indeed feel like desperation.
Bioware is a single player narrative driven development studio.
EA is a multiplayer GaaS focused publisher.
The two are not compatible, and bioware doesn't have the leverage that Respawn had to negotiate EAs hands out of the development process.
EA is a multiplayer GaaS focused publisher.
The two are not compatible, and bioware doesn't have the leverage that Respawn had to negotiate EAs hands out of the development process.
