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New Doom / Doom II patch incoming (60fps, aspect ratio, Sigil)
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Well, I guess I'm playing DOOM and DOOM II again. It's worth it to experience the game at 60fps, and the aspect ratio fix will be great (even without the fix, it's baffling that they couldn't have just left the unused areas on the sides black or even made that an option; it would effectively just disappear on my OLED, but for some reason they had to put some stupid gray texture there).
Neat. Been meaning to get around to Sigil - I'll wait now until these updates. I've sunk a nice bit of time into both games so I cannot wait to play some more classic Doom, this time as it was meant to be.
Just if anyone wanted to see what the new content looks like. It appears you can install the custom WADs through a new 'Add-Ons' menu, where you download them and then select the order you want them loaded in. It definitely implies they might add a few more packs as time goes on.
I'm pretty sure that's already some retro FPS on the eShop inspired by it.
However, I wonder if something as SMOOTHED could be possible on this engine.
Interesting insight, thanks. I always assumed Turok 1 and 2 were straight up ports from Turok EX, and that Doom 64 would be from Doom 64 EX.
Well i said mod support because some of these go beyond simple WAD's, Brutal doom & smoothed will need GzDoom or something, im honestly surprised Bethesda didn't just pay to use that.
It's just having that on Switch for portable use would be amazing.
Yeah it's hard to go back to classic after Brutal Doom. It would be nice if they could add the option somehow.
Switch is supposed to receive a port of Project Warlock, so that will be a decent alternative.
I see Sigil is being added into these re-releases of Doom. Is the base Sigil going to go free on PC? I've had all of the Dooms on Steam for a**ges.
**** EDIT*** Wait, I just checked the Sigial website and it shows it as free. I thought it was being charged for or was that just the collectors edition?
**** EDIT*** Wait, I just checked the Sigial website and it shows it as free. I thought it was being charged for or was that just the collectors edition?
That.... that's actually pretty neat. I hope they'll approach this right with the community and creators.
I suppose this will be restricted to vanilla/limit removing sets. I doubt they'll include support for Boom extensions for example.
That's plenty of amazing potential stuff though. Gimme BtSX on Switch!
It's always been free on PC. You can just download the wad file. Only the Buckethead soundtrack has ever cost money.
I suppose this will be restricted to vanilla/limit removing sets. I doubt they'll include support for Boom extensions for example.
That's plenty of amazing potential stuff though. Gimme BtSX on Switch!
It's always been free on PC. You can just download the wad file. Only the Buckethead soundtrack has ever cost money.
Do these work well on a controller? I thinking about things like slowly edging out from walls/corners to get a shot off before hiding again
It's fine.
Even though you could always play with KB+M, even in the original DOS exe, they were designed with most people playing KB only in mind. That translates pretty well to controller use. Doom does not really require precision aiming, it's more about mobility and decisionmaking.
This is so exciting!
Does this confirm that it's three WADs at launch of the patch?
Yes, the update is adding Final Doom (which is TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment ) and Sigil, hence 3 megawads.
EDIT: All 3 can be played in Doom 1, whereas only Final Doom is playable in Doom 2, at least according to what the guys were saying in the video.
This is actually quite interesting. Both Heretic and Hexen were developed by Raven Software, but published by id. I do wonder if both Zenimax and Activision Blizzard own these franchises.
The Steam releases were published by id at least so doesn't seem too caught up in licensing hell if there is any.
Missed this news yesterday. The lack of No Rest for the Living was one of my only major complaints about the Switch port. Glad they're going above and beyond! Can't wait to add Doom 64 and have the complete "old school" Doom library on Switch.
Without knowing any better it's possible that continuing to sell the pc version on steam is a different set of rights compared to packaging up a new multi platform release on consoles.
It looks like the question has been asked a handful of times on Twitter without a clear answer.
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Below link gives some further information that might be relevant.
It isn't clear how that relates to re-releases but it gives a bit of background as to why we probably won't see any followups at this time.
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They are adding community wads but if we get a custom loader even better
I wasn't too bothered by the performance issues of this version, but this very welcome. And Sigil, wow.
I highly highly doubt that Bethesda would want to be associated with the likes of the creator of Brutal Doom.
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Project Brutality is better anyways. Also it's not made by a bigoted egomaniac who likes to encourage depressed people to commit suicide
I wish they'd use the doom release as a base and give me Heretic on switch. Heretic doesn't get enough love.
Hell Revealed could be a good starting point since it is vanilla. Although they would need to change the soundtrack since it uses Rise of the Triad music.
I finally played through Hell Revealed recently for the first time and man, the jump in difficulty of those levels over the original game will make new players' heads spin.
If I already have the original DOOM backwards compatible on my XBX, is this new version still worth getting?
They could pay all the money they want, BD and Smooth Doom simply aren't going to ever work on the vanilla engine. ZDoom is technologically different in every conceivable way.
(Also BD is a license nightmare because Sgt Mark just takes whatever he wants, they'd never be able to get permission to use every resource, let alone find where they all came from in the first place.)
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Source ports such as Crispy Doom let players play at a 60fps refresh rate display wise while maintaining the 35 ticks per second of the original game logic.
As long as they are not selling the custom wads they technically would not need to change it if they legit just made it pop up a web browser and have them installed like any PC source port it would cause no legal issues
Not true. Putting them up for download on such a platform would require repackaging. A lot of Doom mods have a clause preventing repacking so placing them on such a service would violate their original wishes. There's also the critical issue that a lot of mods use assets that aren't theirs, including commercial assets, which Bethesda would be very skeptical about providing for download in a commercial context. The only possible way forward is to ask and make sure everything uploaded is kosher.
And no, "not selling the custom wads" doesn't skirt copyright law. That's not remotely how it works.
i am not reffering to repacking them i am literally speaking in the sense if they used a web browser that let you download what you wish would be the most ideal answer as nothing is repacked it is still downloaded off IDgames website IE the same as you would on PC
I understand pointing at a massive playlist isn't incredibly helpful but there are just so friggin' many WADs out there. But if you want a good idea of a cross section of what is out there then I recommend WAD Wednesdays by JP LeBreton where he plays a random WAD each week. With the nature of it being a random pull means it can range from gold to garbage, obviously, but with his understanding of the engine as well as level design means the insightful commentary overrides the garbage.
Otherwise I'd point to the cacowards which goes all the way back to 1994. There is just so much out there and such a range of ideas. People have been making WADs for a long time that you can filter down all sorts of ways.
I'll just grab random screenshots to give an idea even from a visual perspective. Sorry to image dump but there is just so much it really can't be overstated and admitted I didn't bother checking if any of these are viable for the console version, just giving an idea what is out there.
Void And Rainbow
Brigandine
The Adventures of Square
Putrefier
Winter's Fury
Doom : The Golden Souls 2
Shadows of The Nightmare Realm
Rise Of The Wool Ball
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You're not getting the point. If Bethesda allow people to download the WADS - it doesn't matter how, whether said functionality is inside the game or not - for use with their commercially released port of DOOM, they're violating everything the dude above mentioned.
You have to answer that question. If you want the extra content plus what I think is soon to be the best port for $5, then absolutely.
Consoles won't allow for arbitrary downloads from a service Bethesda don't and can't moderate (because /idgames is not theirs).
In addition, no console supports downloading files from their web browser (least of all to a location a game would be allowed to read if at all) and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them doesn't support even connecting to the unsecured ftp protocol (because /idgames is a very old school ftp server, not a website).
Luckily not all the greatest WADs are all intense slaughter maps like what you might see in Sunder or the legendary Okuplok, but I do think almost all the great megawads get more difficult than the base Doom games by the end. So for instance both Scythe 1/2, Hell Revealed 1/2 start easy with short maps, but by the end throw maps of a scale and difficulty exceeding the base game that might take dozens of attempts to beat if you aren't saving regularly. The popular megawads of the decade that you'll see every Doom player recommend to their friends like Ancient Aliens, Eviternity, and Valiant still all start simple, but slowly grow into a more involved experience. Even WAD's like Doom the Way id Did which were built to mimic the design intricacies of the original game can't help but turn the dial up on difficulty. It's just a function of the people making these maps having played the game for years.
While the baseline experience of well made WAD's is a bit harder than what you initially played with the original games, I believe the quality of the enemy encounters and map geometry in user content exceeds the originals by so much that deaths very often feel less cheap than many of the maps of Doom 2.
and in one fell swoop, true clarity was achieved
thank you for this lovely post
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