New Doom / Doom II patch incoming (60fps, aspect ratio, Sigil)

VorpalNonsense · Dec 10, 2019

InsaneTiger said:
I don't understand, what is this?

Doom 1 & Doom 2 ports were released on various platforms relatively recently.
The aspect ratio of the games was a little screwed up, that is being fixed.
The games were locked to their original 35fps, that is now being updated to support 60fps.
"Sigil" is additional levels (a final episode) for Doom 1 released by John Romero in 2019, co-founder of id and one of the original lead designers of Doom. It will be added.
"Final Doom" is an expansion pack for Doom 2 originally made by a community team, but id thought the levels were so good they bought them and officially released it in 1996. It will be added.
"No Rest for the Living" is additional levels for Doom 2 originally released in 2010 by Nerve who was handling the XBL port. It is also being added.
These additions make these ports much more complete since all those levels were missing before.

Kasey · Dec 10, 2019

Jimnymebob said:
It honestly plays pretty well with a controller, given the fact you don't really need to aim.
My main gripe is the fact weapon switching is a pain as it stands, but I don't really see any reason why they couldn't change that in the future. As bad as it sounds, and as much as it pains me to say it, a weapon wheel would be better than what we have now.

The 360 Doom 2 controls worked pretty well. 2/3 weapons mapped to each direction of the dpad.

Dezzy · Dec 10, 2019

Jazzem said:
Ahhhh, so good <3

I'll definitely get back and finish Doom 1 on Switch with this. Would be nice if they updated the PC versions too...ah well, there's always GZDoom

GZDoom is likely still better anyway. PC Doom fans can't really ever complain. There's an insane amount of great mods and wads for us already. More options is never a bad thing though.

VorpalNonsense · Dec 10, 2019

On the topic of Sigil, I was really sad that I missed out on Limited Run's box set. I learned about it too late. Anybody get one of those?

Deleted member 28461 · Dec 10, 2019

This is pretty outstanding. I was really disappointed with the ports on release, and regretted buying them before reading how bored they were. I was content with their last update, but this is above and beyond.

Rlan · Dec 10, 2019

Great news. Only thing really missing now is to just make the game true 16:9, like every other source port of DOOM.

Jazzem · Dec 10, 2019

Dezzy said:
GZDoom is likely still better anyway. PC Doom fans can't really ever complain. There's an insane amount of great mods and wads for us already. More options is never a bad thing though.

Ah yeah don't get me wrong I adore GZDoom ahah, played it so darn much (including with the amazing Castlevania mod). Just would be nice to have a better version on Steam right out of the box, as opposed to just the wad in a DOS wrapper

Though conversely, Duke 3D on Steam has more modern features but also doesn't give you the original executable that is ideal for modding

samred · Dec 10, 2019

To clarify: Sigil (originally made for Doom 1) and both Final Doom WADs (originally made for Doom 2) are coming to *both* Doom 1 and Doom 2's 2019 versions. No Rest For The Living may only come to Doom 2, that's what one host appeared to say about that one. Nice move on Bethesda's part for anyone who doesn't wanna buy both games this time around.

capitalCORN · Dec 10, 2019

Jazzem said:
Though conversely, Duke 3D on Steam has more modern features but also doesn't give you the original executable that is ideal for modding

Isn't that just eDuke?

Deleted member 23212 · Dec 10, 2019

So, will it not have Master Levels for Doom II?

VorpalNonsense · Dec 10, 2019

samred said:
To clarify: Sigil (originally made for Doom 1) and both Final Doom WADs (originally made for Doom 2) are coming to *both* Doom 1 and Doom 2's 2019 versions. No Rest For The Living may only come to Doom 2, that's what one host appeared to say about that one. Nice move on Bethesda's part for anyone who doesn't wanna buy both games this time around.

That's pretty neat.

Nerdkiller · Dec 10, 2019

I hope they still intend to implement online multiplayer in the future...with a client based netcode instead of delay based, because playing online on consoles...WOOF!

low-G · Dec 10, 2019

They get some of those Cacowads up there and that will be crazy. https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2019/index/

Actually what if they get Golden Souls on there? It becomes Mario canon!

Deleted member 442 · Dec 10, 2019

Oheao said:
So, will it not have Master Levels for Doom II?

It already has those with the Doom II release right.

Deleted member 23212 · Dec 10, 2019

ibrahima said:
It already has those with the Doom II release right.

Oh, cool. So, with all of this and Doom 64 they'll essentially have all of Classic Doom, right?

Adnor · Dec 10, 2019

capitalCORN said:
Isn't that just eDuke?

Megaton used eduke iirc, but the 20th anniversary edition doesn't.

capitalCORN · Dec 10, 2019

Adnor said:
Megaton used eduke iirc, but the 20th anniversary edition doesn't.

Cool.

Quacktion · Dec 10, 2019

This is just awesome all around. These ports started out rough as hell, but they stuck with them and now we are getting way more than I ever hoped for. Great job!

HorseFD · Dec 10, 2019

Well this is awesome news. Custom wads sounds great.

Deleted member 1003 · Dec 10, 2019

VorpalNonsense said:
Doom 1 & Doom 2 ports were released on various platforms relatively recently.
The aspect ratio of the games was a little screwed up, that is being fixed.
The games were locked to their original 35fps, that is now being updated to support 60fps.
"Sigil" is additional levels for Doom 1 released by John Romero in 2019, co-founder of id and one of the original lead designers of Doom. It will be added.
"Final Doom" is an expansion pack for Doom 2 originally made by a community team, but id thought the levels were so good they bought them and officially released it in 1996. It will be added.
"No Rest for the Living" is additional levels for Doom 2 originally released in 2010 by Nerve who was handling the XBL port. It is also being added.
These additions make these ports much more complete since all those levels were missing before.

Ok, thank you. For some reason I confused Doom 1 with Doom 2016.

Rogue Agent · Dec 10, 2019

I didn't expect them to patch these games more, but I'm glad they did. I'll definitely buy them now.

greenhadoken · Dec 10, 2019

Do I still need to be online to play these games? Or did they patch that out already?

Narpas Sword0 · Dec 10, 2019

Jimnymebob said:
It honestly plays pretty well with a controller, given the fact you don't really need to aim.
My main gripe is the fact weapon switching is a pain as it stands, but I don't really see any reason why they couldn't change that in the future. As bad as it sounds, and as much as it pains me to say it, a weapon wheel would be better than what we have now.

they should just do what they did in the last gen release. Each dpad direction is for two weapons.

Also bring back online

RedSwirl · Dec 10, 2019

Anybody taking guesses on what other community WADs might make it in?

...or is there gonna be some kind of thing where potentially any community WAD that meets certain compatibility parameters can be played on console? Like Doom 4 Vanilla for instance?

Quacktion · Dec 10, 2019

greenhadoken said:
Do I still need to be online to play these games? Or did they patch that out already?

This has been patched. The game does ask you to connect to online when you boot it up while offline (similar thing to say Dark Souls) but you can just say no and play without issues (while before you needed to connect to online at least once, as well as make or bullshit up a Bethesda account since it was all around busted).

Xero grimlock · Dec 10, 2019

Richter1887 said:
Well damn.

I might end up getting these the next time they are on sale.

they are already only $5

b00_thegh0st · Dec 10, 2019

Awesome. They took their sweet time and got me really angry at their mishandling of these cult titles but aspect ratio, 60fps and Sigil are where it's at.

Tatsu91 · Dec 10, 2019

VorpalNonsense said:
Doom 1 & Doom 2 ports were released on various platforms relatively recently.
The aspect ratio of the games was a little screwed up, that is being fixed.
The games were locked to their original 35fps, that is now being updated to support 60fps.
"Sigil" is additional levels for Doom 1 released by John Romero in 2019, co-founder of id and one of the original lead designers of Doom. It will be added.
"Final Doom" is an expansion pack for Doom 2 originally made by a community team, but id thought the levels were so good they bought them and officially released it in 1996. It will be added.
"No Rest for the Living" is additional levels for Doom 2 originally released in 2010 by Nerve who was handling the XBL port. It is also being added.
These additions make these ports much more complete since all those levels were missing before.

The community maps are the biggest part like not one person saw this coming

RedSwirl · Dec 10, 2019

So the tweet mentioned an internal online store where you just download community WADs for free. That's huge.

Potentially 25 years of fan maps coming to console Doom for the first time. How do they even handle this? Does id try to optimize it so console Doom can properly run any WAD that works on MS-DOS, or Chocolate Doom, or ZDoom? Or will it publish its own compatibility parameters for custom modders to build to? Will they try to get in shit from the mid 90's like "Doom the way id did"?

Nathan · Dec 10, 2019

These still don't have any online multiplayer modes, right? Is there any chance of that being added at some point?

Doomg0d · Dec 10, 2019

It begs the question what exactly is this port using? I assume some sort of chocolate doom or its own take on the vanilla engine.

Edward850 · Dec 10, 2019

Doomg0d said:
It begs the question what exactly is this port using? I assume some sort of chocolate doom or its own take on the vanilla engine.

Chocolate Doom is GPL so that's a no go (can't stick GPL3 on consoles, not even iOS anymore). We do know it's vanilla though, its code was released along with Doom3 BFG (which came from XBLA and original Xbox with Doom3 Collectors Edition), and it's been confirmed it's the same library.

Iucidium · Dec 10, 2019

Not being ungrateful, but any mention of online co-op??

Doomg0d · Dec 10, 2019

Edward850 said:
Chocolate Doom is GPL so that's a no go (can't stick GPL3 on consoles, not even iOS anymore). We do know it's vanilla though, its code was released along with Doom3 BFG (which came from XBLA and original Xbox with Doom3 Collectors Edition), and it's been confirmed it's the same library.

Are the limitations the same as vanilla ie not able to play Zdoom/Boom stuff then?

metsallica · Dec 10, 2019

VorpalNonsense said:
On the topic of Sigil, I was really sad that I missed out on Limited Run's box set. I learned about it too late. Anybody get one of those?

I did!

Still available here:

https://www.romerogames.ie/shop

Edward850 · Dec 10, 2019

Doomg0d said:
Are the limitations the same as vanilla ie not able to play Zdoom/Boom stuff then?

Well ZDoom might as well be considered a completely different engine from a technical standpoint. There's no Boom support for sure but at least probable if that's the direction they wanted to go, Boom was just a bunch of fancy features tacked on to the existing format after all. It's already partially limit extended though, which would be needed for SIGIL at the very least.

demondance · Dec 10, 2019

Really wish we could get these versions on PC just so you can run them easily without tweaks off a straight download.

Maybe when Doom 64 hits?

kubev · Dec 10, 2019

Oh, nice. With these fixes, I'll probably buy these versions.

RedSwirl · Dec 10, 2019

demondance said:
Maybe when Doom 64 hits?

Heck we still don't even know how they're gonna release Doom 64 on PC.

Is it gonna be just a repackaged Doom 64 EX? Some other unique new implementation like the recent Duke 3D, Shadow Warrior, and Blood remasters? Just a naked WAD?

Buff Beefbroth · Dec 10, 2019

RedSwirl said:
Is it gonna be just a repackaged Doom 64 EX?

Probably. That's exactly what the current Turok HD ports are.

VorpalNonsense · Dec 10, 2019

Tatsu91 said:
The community maps are the biggest part like not one person saw this coming

EVERYBODY GET READY FOR NUTS AND ABORT_M

...okay maybe not

Tatsu91 · Dec 10, 2019

VorpalNonsense said:
EVERYBODY GET READY FOR NUTS AND ABORT_M

...okay maybe not

I wonder if the consoles can handle sun lust at 60 fps if it can I will be impressed

Richter1887 · Dec 10, 2019

Xero grimlock said:
they are already only $5

So?

I already own the gsmes on multiple systems.

JahIthBer · Dec 10, 2019

Would be pretty cool if they added Brutal Doom or mod support. imagine Brutal Doom on Switch.

demondance said:
Really wish we could get these versions on PC just so you can run them easily without tweaks off a straight download.

Maybe when Doom 64 hits?

Just grab GzDoom my good friend, it's drag & drop.

Psyborg · Dec 11, 2019

Dope. Dope dope dope dope dope.

Kasey · Dec 11, 2019

Am I crazy or did they let slip that Doom 64 can be purchased separately?

VorpalNonsense · Dec 11, 2019

Kasey said:
Am I crazy or did they let slip that Doom 64 can be purchased separately?

What reason is there to think that this game originally planned to get a standalone release and then added as a preorder bonus wouldnt still get the standalone release? Would they just send a new port out to die, unobtainable beyond a certain arbitrary date, and never plan on making any money from it? I always assumed it was still coming after preorders got their free bonus. I don't think it's a slip, just a fact.

Kasey · Dec 11, 2019

VorpalNonsense said:
What reason is there to think that this game originally planned to get a standalone release and then added as a preorder bonus wouldnt still get the standalone release? Would they just send a new port out to die, unobtainable beyond a certain arbitrary date, and never plan on making any money from it? I always assumed it was still coming after preorders got their free bonus. I don't think it's a slip, just a fact.

Well I assumed it was coming, but after a period of exclusively being bundled with Eternal. The way they talked about it seems like it will be available separately as soon as they both go live?

Conrad Link · Dec 11, 2019

Nice, still waiting on a sale on 1& 2 for Switch though to pick them up again for the millionth time.

And yes Doom 64 better be available to purchase separately, I want it on Switch but new Doom will be a Xbox One X game for me later on so pre-order bonuses are worthless to me.

Edward850 · Dec 11, 2019

Buff Beefbroth said:
Probably. That's exactly what the current Turok HD ports are.

Turok is not related to the old Doom64 EX port, it's referred to as Kex retroactively, but has otherwise nothing related to it other than Kaiser. That port wouldn't be viable either especially on consoles, it's too old, not 100% accurate (it's close but was never close enough to play back the attract demos), and built on very old school standards.

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