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bytesized

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This is uncomfortable to confront for white people, but the idea that twerking is inherently sexual has some deep racist roots revolving around the perception of the Black female body.
Its origins might not be sexual, I don't know and feel free to call me out on my ignorance regarding the history and roots of twerking. But, in the end, the twerking we see in every rap video certainly seems to be almost exclusively sexual, or not? And that's in the end where kids are picking it up from completely oblivious to that fact.

In the end we all draw the line somewhere. I think we would all agree exposing 11 year olds to porn is not a good idea. Well, I think that most music videos with twerking in it that I've seen would also not be appropriate to them.

And again, I'm only talking about very young kids doing this, I'm completely fine with almost anything when it comes to artistic expression, even more when we're talking about sexual liberation of women. Not clutching my pearls.
 

genericbrand

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Looked at the ratings for some recent films that got R's and they stand out in how little the blurb that details the reasoning for its rating says to the actual content in the movie. What get's highlighted is so minor in the whole of the movies. Maybe most kids wouldn't be interested in the movies but plenty of teens would be fine and/or happy to watch any of these. All of them have me thinking ??? but they come off more as, R can mean things kids are likely to find boring

Marriage Story - Profanity, Sexual Situations - rated 15 in the UK
Shoplifters - sexual content and nudity
Support the Girls - Brief Nudity Profanity
A Ghost Story - Rated R for brief language and a disturbing image" - ??? This is 12A in the UK
Booksmart - Alcohol Consumption, Drug Content, Profanity, Strong Sexual Content
Can You Ever Forgive Me? - some sexual references, and brief drug use - - ??? this one is about a real life literary forger. I was thinking no way this would be R. It's rated 15 in the UK
Motherless Brooklyn - "Drug Content, Profanity, Sexual Situations, Violence
The Mustang - Drug Content, Profanity, Violence
The Souvenir - Drug Content, Nudity, Profanity, Sexual Situations
Lady Bird
The Rider
Carol
Eighth Grade
 
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Wolfe

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Fuck humanity in general...
It took me 3(!) fucking minutes of research to understand the context of the film, these people could not fucking spend that and instead threatened the life of a person trying to enlight people of the very issue they were speaking out against.

Yeah that's the big part of it for me, people more willing to be outraged than informed enough to even know if they should be outraged to begin with.
 

aisback

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm seeing a lot of people calling this a "pedo" movie.

Is it just down to really bad marketing?
 

caliph95

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I'm seeing a lot of people calling this a "pedo" movie.

Is it just down to really bad marketing?
It's supposed to be a coming of age movie of child immigrant from conservative family in a France that also tackles kids discovering sexuality and the sexualization of children

Basically coming of age story with uncomfortable subject matter

Netflix marketing made it look like pedo bait even changing the more innocent poster which is clearly dumb kids copying adults to ones that makes them look like strippers if you just browsing Netflix

The description also isn't great
 

hiredhand

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Marriage Story - Profanity, Sexual Situations - rated 15 in the UK
Shoplifters - sexual content and nudity
Support the Girls - Brief Nudity Profanity
A Ghost Story - Rated R for brief language and a disturbing image" - ??? This is 12A in the UK
Booksmart - Alcohol Consumption, Drug Content, Profanity, Strong Sexual Content
Can You Ever Forgive Me? - some sexual references, and brief drug use - - ??? this one is about a real life literary forger. I was thinking no way this would be R. It's rated 15 in the UK
Motherless Brooklyn - "Drug Content, Profanity, Sexual Situations, Violence
The Mustang - Drug Content, Profanity, Violence
The Souvenir - Drug Content, Nudity, Profanity, Sexual Situations
Lady Bird
The Rider
Carol
Eighth Grade
Basically if you make a film depicting real life without self-censorship, you will nine times out of 10 end up with an R rating in the US. It's absurd how low the threshold for an R is for profanity, sex or drug use compared to violence.

Like how is something as wholesome as Boyhood or Shoplifters rated R when Taken and Drag Me To Hell are PG-13.
 

genericbrand

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Oct 28, 2017
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Lol didn't know Boyhood is R. Didn't know Taken and Drag Me To Hell are PG-13. I remember back in middle school and high school having to get permission slips to watch book adaptations. Even The Crucible and To Kill a Mockingbird. Even Inherit the Wind. Damn, If Beale St Could Talk is R. At least Just Mercy is PG-13, watched that and thought this movie looks like it'll be a future middle/high school humanities course viewing. It's non-provocative, very standard, and dialog besides courtroom reenactments are styled in a manner that would fit well in middle/high school class viewings

Also the 60 era Romeo and Juliet along with the Baz Luhrman Romeo + Juliet. Permission slip for those in 9th grade
 

caliph95

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The rating system is just weird

It tells you more about the country weird standards than it does about the movie
 

patientzero

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Wanna know a shockingly good coming of age story that also deals with themes of homelessness, veterans, PTSD, parenthood, etc. that is somehow also rated G?

Leave No Trace. Which ought to be included in any school curriculum dealing with those issues.
 

genericbrand

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Wanna know a shockingly good coming of age story that also deals with themes of homelessness, veterans, PTSD, parenthood, etc. that is somehow also rated G?

Leave No Trace. Which ought to be included in any school curriculum dealing with those issues.

Absolutely I would like it to be but I think the struggle here would be it putting students to sleep. I remember watching Long Days Journey Into Night, 2018 not stage adaptation, in theaters where I sat in front of a couple. Didn't seem like the guy wanted to be there. He would groan in displeaure occasionaly until I heard, "if you don't want to be here you can leave," and I stopped hearing him groan. By inflection of their voices, I was thinking probably 20s or 30s. Difficult with kids. Leave No Trace is one ball of empathy needed. There are no antagonist. The morality isn't clearly stated. There's no flaire to the dialog. Everything is as down to Earth as can be. The drama is realistic. More issues of real procedure than exaggerated standing in other peoples way. I think this movie would need a good teacher for kids
 

AuthenticM

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Haribo

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I'm assuming the poster means young people will watch the video and emulate the moves and sing the lyrics. I haven't seen the movie, but influence seems to be a big part of it. And an 11 year old dancing "adult" doesn't exactly understand what that means--they are just dance moves.

If I saw several young boys mimic a Backstreet Boys dance and do some hip thrusts, I'd think nothing of it. Just kids dancing.
True. I guess if you just listen to the song on mute while you're dancing its fine.
 

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Man, I feel really bad for the lady who wrote this... The shit being flung over her own personal experiences is terrible.

Its origins might not be sexual, I don't know and feel free to call me out on my ignorance regarding the history and roots of twerking. But, in the end, the twerking we see in every rap video certainly seems to be almost exclusively sexual, or not? And that's in the end where kids are picking it up from completely oblivious to that fact.

You are being ignorant. Twerking and similar dances are not only learned by consuming music videos which is something that plenty of brown and black folk have been saying throughout the thread. Yes it can be sexual but it is not sexual in all contexts.

When Spongebob moves his little cheeks it's not inherently sexual, it's funny.
 

Mimosa

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I don't think this is what film is meant for. That said, the biggest travesty to me is that looking into the origins of the film you learn its the creator making a film of their lived experience, and seeing so many suggest it shouldn't exist, isn't appropriate to be on film, or is unhelpful in some larger context is a big shame.

honestly, that's fair - I really dont know enough about the film or the creator's backstory to make such a claim.

I was under the knee jerk assumption that this film was yet another entry in a long line of pseudo-tragic, "loss of innocence" coming of age stories which to be Frank I'm really, really tired of.

And while I dont know that this film isn't that, I'm also happy that a black Muslim woman is empowered to tell her story in French cinema. So you're right, and I retract that sentiment from earlier.
 

MikeHattsu

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The rating system is just weird

It tells you more about the country weird standards than it does about the movie

That's by design
www.vanityfair.com

The Persistent Trouble with Movie Ratings

Yes, President Trump, they exist—but as an M.P.A.A. historian explains, they’re just as frustratingly opaque as ever.

As filmmaker Kirby Dick argued in his 2006 documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated, the M.P.A.A. and C.A.R.A. are far more squeamish about sex than violence.

Lewis notes that the talking heads in Dick's documentary also argue that the M.P.A.A. is generally harder on films featuring gay sex or characters than it is on movies featuring straight sex.


According to Lewis, the M.P.A.A.'s logic is simple: "They are the average Americans—that's their argument. 'Most parents think that.' They're not saying that gay sex is good or bad—they're saying that parents would have an issue with their kids seeing that."


The M.P.A.A. itself echoed this when asked to comment on this story:

"The rating system does not make any judgment about the content, including sexuality, depicted in movies. Rather, raters ask the question any parent would ask: What would I want to know about this film before I decide to let my child see it?

As stated in its Rules, it is not C.A.R.A.'s purpose to prescribe social policy, 'but instead to reflect the current values of the majority of American parents.'
 

Thorrgal

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WTF at this thread. I know the title and the OP aren't great, but there have been a number of posts about the true content of the film. Instead, it's a thread full of knee-jerk reactions.

Yep. I wish people (OP included) did more research before jumping head in with a knee-jerk reaction.
 

Thorrgal

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While I don't disagree with the criticism people brought up about the poster/previous sinopsis, to go and blame the harassment of the director on Netflix as if people would otherwise just be super reasonable about this movie and the typical bad faith actors wouldn't come in drives after her.... is a bit disingenuous.

I agree with this as well. Is not (only) on Netflix, but on people's stupid takes and actions (as this thread has shown
 

The Masked Mufti

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So let me get this straight: a movie is made about the sexualisation of young girls. Netflix promotes it in a manner that sexualised young girls (and then pulls back because of backlash) and makes the movie look like pedo-bait.

Have I got that right?
 

Messofanego

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So let me get this straight: a movie is made about the sexualisation of young girls. Netflix promotes it in a manner that sexualised young girls (and then pulls back because of backlash) and makes the movie look like pedo-bait.

Have I got that right?
Yeah Netflix marketing did the director dirty. Now dipshits think Maïmouna Doucouré is a pedo despite her examining the messed up society.
 

sandyph

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So let me get this straight: a movie is made about the sexualisation of young girls. Netflix promotes it in a manner that sexualised young girls (and then pulls back because of backlash) and makes the movie look like pedo-bait.

Have I got that right?

+ co-opted by alt right troll to cancel a black-african-refugee-muslim-woman
 

jayu26

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+ co-opted by alt right troll to cancel a black-african-refugee-muslim-woman
Netflix's marketing should be ashamed, but there is still time to reverse this shit and support the film maker. Alt Reich will slink back into their hole once the film is out and people actually see it.
 

LiQuid!

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+ co-opted by alt right troll to cancel a black-african-refugee-muslim-woman
This might be very true, but the fact of the matter is enough harm was done by Netflix's boneheaded initial marketing that it's nearly impossible to defend this movie's right to exist, much less it's potential value as art, without sounding like you're a "pedophile" or defending child exploitation. People's minds have been made up. Not just the racists, the trolls, the alt-right. It's very easy to look at the marketing and make the snap judgement and enough well-meaning people are already swept up in the outrage
 

DFG

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There is a change.org with half a million signatures to remove it off Netflix because it promotes paedophilia. The internet is a mistake sometimes
 

Pirateluigi

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There is a change.org with half a million signatures to remove it off Netflix because it promotes paedophilia. The internet is a mistake sometimes

I've seen a bunch of people linking to the petition on social media too. I try to educate them where I can but it feels like fighting a losing battle.
 
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This might be very true, but the fact of the matter is enough harm was done by Netflix's boneheaded initial marketing that it's nearly impossible to defend this movie's right to exist, much less it's potential value as art, without sounding like you're a "pedophile" or defending child exploitation. People's minds have been made up. Not just the racists, the trolls, the alt-right. It's very easy to look at the marketing and make the snap judgement and enough well-meaning people are already swept up in the outrage
I don't know why one would seem like a pedophile for criticizing Netflix's poster and pointing out that reviews and interviews suggest that this movie being "child porn" is extremely unlikely. I'm biased of course as I am one of the people defending the movie, but no one in here defending it has come across as a pedophile to me. Tbh if someone's calling you a pedophile for arguing for the movie then you're not dealing with a critical thinker, well-meaning person or not

I've seen a bunch of people linking to the petition on social media too. I try to educate them where I can but it feels like fighting a losing battle.
I don't think there's anything you can or should really do until the movie comes out
 

shaneo632

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The irony that Netflix fails to adequately promote 99% of their "arthouse" content and then this film ends up getting All The Attention for all the wrong reasons.
 

Deer

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I saw an interview with the director Maïmouna Doucouré and it seems awesome, and she really seems to have given it much thought and sensivity. The trailer I saw reflects this. Really looking forward to watching it (together with my 70 year old mother).

I agree Netflix marketing is bad and aims for shock and clicks and reactions.
 
Critics round-up vs User reactions

Anton Sugar

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www.newyorker.com

“Cuties,” the Extraordinary Netflix Début That Became the Target of a Right-Wing Campaign

The subject of Maïmouna Doucouré’s film isn’t twerking; it’s children who lack the resources to put sexualized media and pop culture into perspective.

Thanks for this. To also help steer the conversation away from uninformed outrage, reposting this:

Instead of resorting to "clips SO BAD I don't even want to watch them devoid of their context in a feature length movie" and crowd-sourced parental guides on IMDB (didn't realize anyone actually took ANYTHING written by users seriously, but ok), here are some actual quotes from reviews.
rogerebert.com said:
The movie is so much more nuanced and bold than the first wave of outrage charged. With "Cuties," Doucouré announces herself as a director with a keen visual style who's unafraid to explore these cultural and social tensions. After all, these are issues facing many young girls growing up today in various corners of the world. You'd just never know it because their coming-of-age horror stories aren't always told in film.
Rolling Stone said:
None of which stopped people from claiming that the movie is softcore porn (it isn't), and that Netflix's marketing scheme was an absolutely boneheaded, wrong-footed, self-defeating move (guilty as charged). Petitions were circulated, right-wing pundits weighed in, Ted Sarandos issued a mea culpa and Doucouré received death threats. Suddenly, a sensitive coming-of-age movie became a culture-war target. And anyone who caught Cuties at a festival, or who bothers to stream it on Netflix starting today, can attest to the supreme irony here. It's a portrait of girls that decries how sexuality is force-fed to them and/or viewed as the only way to foster self-esteem at far too young an age. It is the polar opposite of what it's accused of being.
Indiewire said:
The foursome does realize that there is something here beyond their reach — new best pal Angelica balks at a move that involves lasciviously sucking on her fingers and they all seem to think their butt-bumping is silly more than anything. The audience must endure their sexualization as increasingly horrified spectators. The girls vacillate between being hyper-interested in the opposite sex (the girls push Amy to videotape a cute boy in the bathroom) and being freaked out by its actual mechanics, as in a scene in which they discover a used condom. A group of initially interested teenage boys soon recoil in disgust (and fear?) when they realize how young the Cuties are. "They're little girls," one of them scoffs, as the tweens jostle and preen, desperate to prove otherwise.
Battleship Pretension said:
Cuties' most outrageous but most indispensable element is the highly sexualized behavior of its core cast of children. At first, all the pouts and gyrations and bare midriffs seem like pure comedy. But, even though it continues to be funny, the humor gains a darker edge as we come to understand how this particular brand of precociousness represents a dual-edged freedom. The girls' move toward more assured self-expression is a positive but one worries about the healthiness of understanding sexiness before understanding sex.
Hollywood Reporter said:
The bigger issue is that once the film establishes its critical view of a culture that steers impressionable young girls toward the hypersexualization of their bodies, it sets up a clash against traditional values that should provide a sturdy third act — particularly given the rich contextual potential to explore African identity in a Western European country. The elements are put in place, from Amy's defiance, dishonesty and ruthless determination to participate in the contest at any price, to Aunty's glowering condemnation and Mariam's emotional crossroads as the wedding approaches. But Doucouré doesn't quite thread those strands into a satisfying conclusion.

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The shots do linger a bit longer than probably needed. Like those kids dance shows in theory aren't worse but in the movie the shots really go out of the way to show their butts and stuff unlike what you would see in those shows. and the ending is kinda random and abrupt.
 
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It is not a coincidence that the vast majority of Muslim representation in Western media revolves around sensationalized accounts of oppression. Whether intentional or not on the part of the author, it reinforces an Orientalist worldview that the problems Muslim women face are due to a monolithic problematic culture, and rarely takes into account the socio-economic factors that lead to the hardships in these women's lives. Lila Abu-Lughod analyzes this in her book, "Do Muslim Women Need Saving?" and I found her argument very compelling.

Author and Human Rights Activist Monia Mazigh said:
Abu-Lughod studies in great detail the messages of "pulp nonfiction" books sold in the West, whose dangerous mixture of violence and pornographic content about the lives of Muslim women abused by their families is intended to keep the supposed link between religion and oppression alive.

Abu-Lughod exposes the pattern behind memoirs telling us horrific stories of Muslim women abused by their husbands, fathers or family, who were able to escape and embrace freedom in the West. For instance, the story of Zana Muhsen told in the book Sold is a story of a Birmingham girl who escaped from Yemen with her mother's help after 13 years of abuse. These books are usually written by ghostwriters, sold by the millions and sometimes turned into movies. These books enter the popular imagination and become the reference points for an avid Western audience already convinced of the moral superiority of their culture and the universality of "freedom." What Abu-Lughod names as the fantastic world of "pulp nonfiction" is filled with real or sometimes simply "invented" stories that are later used to justify moral and military crusades from the West with the dubious objective to "liberate" Muslim women from the barbarism of their culture and offer them freedom of choice.

Thus, the obsession of the Western media with "honour killing" stories does not always emerge from a genuine desire to help women fight the injustice they face in their own communities but rather from an intrinsic message that their indigenous culture is barbaric, doesn't permit love, and forces girls to marry men they despise.

Abu Lughod explains:
"[T]he problem is that when violence occurs in some communities, culture is blamed, in others only the individuals involved are accused or faulted. As Leti Volpp has shown in her classic article called "Blaming Culture," violent or abusive behaviour gets attributed to culture only when it occurs in minority or alien culture, racial, or national groups."

Leti Volpp said:
Key to her argument is that we in the West look through lenses that prioritize very particular, situated values: choice, consent, and freedom. Some of the most rewarding material in Do Muslim Women Need Saving? examines the obsession with constraint that counterposes perceptions of Muslim women to Enlightenment ideals of freedom and autonomy, connected to theoretical work by Wendy Brown, Judith Butler, and Saba Mahmood. As Abu-Lughod notes, "we need to reflect on the limits we all experience in being agents of our own lives." Yet many non-Muslim women perceive themselves as free, while believing Muslim women to be utterly constrained. Muslim women live in a mythical place, which Abu-Lughod calls "IslamLand": a fantastic place where women are "undifferentiated by nation, locality, or personal circumstances," and live lives that are imagined to be "totally separate and different from our own." These are lives where women are caged by culture and oppressed by religion—their only possibility of rescue appearing in the form of intervention by the international community—and where their only hope is escape.


This notion that women could be liberated from their (univocally oppressive) culture into a space of freedom is reminiscent of Susan Moller Okin's controversial claim in her well-known essay, "Is Multiculturalism Bad For Women?" that some women (those subject to what Okin called "patriarchal minority cultures,") might be much better off if their cultures were to become extinct, so they could become integrated into a more enlightened majority culture.3 The evangelizing Christian missionary of the historical rescue mission has been replaced by Okin—or by Nicholas Kristof. The Christian community of the saved has been supplanted, in Abu-Lughod's terms, by human rights, liberal democracy, and modern beauty regimes. While many readers of this book may take all three to be universally desirable values, Abu-Lughod repeatedly suggests that different women might choose different futures from ones that we might, futures that are manifestations of "differently structured desires."


More specifically, Abu-Lughod observes: "I cannot think of a single woman I know who has expressed envy of women in the United States, women they variously perceive as bereft of community, cut off from family, vulnerable to sexual violence and social anomie, driven by selfishness or individual success, subject to capitalist pressures, participants in imperial ventures that don't respect the sovereignty or intelligence of others, or strangely disrespectful of others and God." ("This is not to say," she notes, that these women "do not value certain privileges and opportunities that many American women enjoy.") As Abu-Lughod reminds us, when you are saving someone from something, you are also "saving her to something." The presumption of those who would save Muslim women from their unfreedom is that identification with Islam can only be a negative experience and that they are being saved to a more ideal alternative. But, Abu-Lughod argues, different women might be "called to personhood, so to speak, in different languages." Over and over, Abu-Lughod insists that her readers contemplate the possibility that not all women seek an identical life.
Sources:
moniamazigh.wordpress.com

Do Muslim Women Need Saving: A book review

Do Muslim women need saving? This is the question author Lila Abu-Lughod tries to answer in her bookpublished by Harvard University Press in 2013. Abu-Lughod is a trained anthropologist from Columb…

Saving Muslim women

Leti Volpp writes for Public Books, August 1, 2015 August 1, 2015 — The 2015 Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris—along with the brutal activities of ISIS—have spurred a resurgence of concern about Islam in Western media. New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof fretted over a concern he kept...

I do not believe that positive reception from critics about the film counters this narrative - many of these problematic pulp nonfiction memoirs were critically acclaimed best-sellers, including those that have since been debunked as hoaxes. Note that I'm not implying the director is a liar, it very well could be true that she is recalling her own experience as truthfully as possible, I just think it is important to point out that works in this genre have existed for a long time and are problematic in their own right. It is, again, not a coincidence that a Western film studio (especially a French one astughfirullah) is choosing to tell this story.

The vast majority of the representation we as Muslims get as representation in Western media is alienating Orientalist content that drives further the division between Western viewers and the Muslims they perceive as "others" and do not seek to understand or relate to on a personal, human level.

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edit - also I think the sexualization of kids in this movie is gross and will not be watching it but that's only an extra layer on what I said above
 

excelsiorlef

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Except this movie is not about Muslim girls being save by white western society.... Like it's about how white western society's sexualization of women fucks them up too.

Like this movie is not about Muslim girls being liberated from their upbringing by western pop culture... it's about them being absolutely objectified and abused by it.
 

Catdaddy

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Cuties was trending on twitter earlier as #cancelNetflix, the movie is not in my wheelhouse but respect it from the reviews and awards..

Imagine if Netflix or any other streamers picks up 1978's Pretty Baby with a 12 year old Brooke Shields, I remember it being on HBO back in the 80s, it was somewhat controversial back then and it was the 70/80s, would melt these peoples minds today..
 

Astral

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Saw the clip in question in the other thread and honestly it's not even that bad and some people must live sheltered lives. The scariest part about that clip was that I've seen a 5 year old mimic similar behavior because she doesn't really know what it is and thinks it's amusing. It's very concerning and worth talking about.
 

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Just saw #cancelnetflix trending and yeah the description of scenes I saw are sickening...but critics are giving it good reviews and it has won awards.

Wtf is happening? Is it really bad? Are you gonna end up a list if you watch this? Or are people just blowing out of proportion, overreacting, and just looking to rage?
 
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Except this movie is not about Muslim girls being save by white western society.... Like it's about how white western society's sexualization of women fucks them up too.

Like this movie is not about Muslim girls being liberated from their upbringing by western pop culture... it's about them being absolutely objectified and abused by it.
If true then that's obviously better than the alternative, it's not at all the impression I got from the trailer. I hope you're understanding of many Muslims not being particularly willing to give a French film studio the benefit of the doubt especially considering the marketing.
 

kradical

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Note that I'm not implying the director is a liar, it very well could be true that she is recalling her own experience as truthfully as possible

When you frame it as only *could* be true, your implication is she probably is lying

It is, again, not a coincidence that a Western film studio (especially a French one astughfirullah) is choosing to tell this story.

This is not a studio film.

The rest of your post raises some interesting points that mostly don't seem to apply, or only apply tangentially to this film based on my understanding of plot, but i'll probably go into that in more detail after I watch the film tonight.
 
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excelsiorlef

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If true then that's obviously better than the alternative, it's not at all the impression I got from the trailer. I hope you're understanding of many Muslims not being particularly willing to give a French film studio the benefit of the doubt especially considering the marketing.

I mean a quick read of wikipedia would show you... that it's not about white people saving the girl.... The leader of the group that the main character connects to is another muslim girl.... the group is multicultural.... it's entirely about exposing how "liberation" in terms of sexual western culture can fuck children up....
 

excelsiorlef

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Amy thinks a second-hand pantomime of sexualized behavior is her pathway to womanhood. She will eventually learn it isn't, though not before making some increasingly bad decisions and engaging in antisocial behavior. Regardless, the filmmaker looks at her sympathetically. Her innocence gets severely dinged, but never robbed entirely.


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'Cuties' Review: A Coming-of-Age Movie Caught in the Culture Wars

Forget Netflix's controversial marketing screw-up—the French coming-of-age movie 'Cuties' is anything but predatory or salacious. Our review.

Like the entire movie's point is to crticize what passes as western liberation... and how it is a form of oppression on young girls in its own right
 
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When you frame it as only *could* be true, your implication is she probably is lying
Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say she's "probably" doing anything.

I mean a quick read of wikipedia would show you... that it's not about white people saving the girl.... The leader of the group that the main character connects to is another muslim girl.... the group is multicultural.... it's entirely about exposing how "liberation" in terms of sexual western culture can fuck children up....
Again, my impression was based off the trailer they made. If it was a misrepresentation of the film then that speaks better of the film itself.