Imo they are not quite as separate. EoE does directly link into the TV series after all. I think while the TV ending and EoE focus on different things and explore different aspect of the shows themes they also inform each other.
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Imo they are not quite as separate. EoE does directly link into the TV series after all. I think while the TV ending and EoE focus on different things and explore different aspect of the shows themes they also inform each other.
Don't even get me started on video essays in general lmao, most of them offer no insights of their own and if you're lucky you get one that isn't narrated or edited through a smug, tryhard voice.
I also find the notion of skipping material kinda silly. You're only gonna know whether you like it or not after you watch it.
I just hope it's become evident to everyone that Asuka is without a doubt the most skilled pilot.
Like yeah you totally should watch it but you'll somehow feel fucking depressed afterwards.
Watch it though.
I can understand your reading on a thematic level, but the 'direct link' is somewhat debatable as you can read the two works as telling very different stories that are fundamentally incompatible.
I think a larger point is that this isn't sone modern Marvel continuity thing where one work is created with a plan to follow up with a sequel. When the series ended that was the complete work. There could easily have never been an End of Evangelion movie. That's part of why I think it's helpful to consider them as their own projects.
so why the fuck is an eva pilot the "third children" and not child? it is driving me absolutely nuts
After finishing Cowboy Bebop on Netflix, I decided to watch another anime in the same decade and since this anime has a strong following, I figured I should watch it. Four episodes in and I'm not liking it...The main character is really annoying me and those fan service scenes is also really bothering me. I hate anime with fan service scenes that are over the top. I know not everything can be like Carole and Tuesday or Cowboy Bebop but the fan service is just off-putting. I'll keep watching it but if it doesn't get better after episode 10, I'm dropping it...
I asked the same question, and I think a poster pointed out that it was a literal translation.
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It is a series that explores sexuality, so that'll never end.
Don't forget to watch the Rebuild films people who are finishing this up for the first time.
Oh hi bud. We meet again. Trust me, it'll stop being normal.
Oh hi bud. We meet again. Trust me, it'll stop being normal.
I figured that it was a literal translation. But... WHY? It's grammatically incorrect, and like so many other aspects of this dub, the first one got it right.
I'm still not sure how people think episodes 25 and 26 and EoE are different takes on the same ending. They aren't at all despite covering the same series of events and dealing with a lot similar themes and imagery. They lead to very very different endings that to me are on nearly different ends of the spectrum.
There are story reasons. Whether or not you find them sufficient is another question.
I mean Evangelion is a show that deals with human relationships and sexuality, so don't expect the fan service to end.
Its a long story, but to summarize: Studio Khara (The studio Anno founded and current rights-holder to Eva) became suspicious of another company's (Funimation) localization of the third rebuild movie after the movie was screened to western audiences; Funimation upped the romantic involvement between a certain pair of characters and those at the screening just couldn't handle it. This led to Khara doing their own, more literal localization, and presumbly, they did the same thing here. I expect that they just don't trust localization companies now. To be fair, there are also reports that ADV had to fight against Gainax to use "Child" instead of "Children" in their localization, but those reports are unconfirmed to my knowledge. The saga of 3.0's localization is actually a pretty interesting story so I recommend you look into it yourself.
I personally have always seen End of Eva to have the same outlook as 25 & 26, just less forgiving and more bitter, which would make sense given what went on at the time. I still think it ends on a decently positive note. Sure the world is a wreck, but humanity has survived. Furthermore, two characters who have spent the entire series failing to understand themselves or others have finally taken the first step towards establishing a healthy relationship. Asuka, knowing what the kid has gone through due to Instrumentality, carresses him, and Shinji, upon finally being accepted by someone besides Kaworu, stops lashing out and weeps. Its not a healthy relationship, but it is a start.
Shinji is depressed and afraid, he's not supposed to be cool and "likeable".
Not even just that but I always took the show ending as Shinji going for three "easy" out and accepting human instrumentality where the movie is him rejecting it and going back to the real world even if it's going back to all that pain and trauma. However I'm still going through a rewatch after more than a decade so maybe my opinion will change.
Yeah, I'm afraid we just have completely different views on 25 & 26. I respect the view of 25 & 26 as a less positive ending, but I've always seen it as Shinji accepting the very flaws Instrumentality was meant to "solve", and by doing so, Shinji rejects the entire concept of Instrumentality. Maybe my view will change, but we'll see. Hope you enjoy the rewatch, I've been progressing at one episode a day with the reddit rewatch so I'll probably be a bit behind everyone else.
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I've always seen the TV ending as a refusal of instrumentality as Shinji learns to love himself, that's why the world starts breaking apart at the end
I agree. The concepts Shinji accepts would be impossible to maintain under instrumentality.
Watching the series finale RIGHT before going to bed was probably not my smartest move. What an absolute mind fuck. But later on I'll enjoy a rewatch.
I'm glad I watched this show now as opposed to being a young teen.i don't think I would've liked it then.
I've seen the show plenty back in the 90's on VHS, but threw on ep 1 last night.
Biggest takeaway is how crazy it is seeing this in 1080 in 5.1 audio. My memory really recalled it looking and sounding very dirty.
New VO seemed fine, but I mostly watched it subbed originally, so wanted to try the new English. Seemed fine really. May watch it all through. It's been decades for me,
Biggest takeaway is how crazy it is seeing this in 1080 in 5.1 audio. My memory really recalled it looking and sounding very dirty.
New VO seemed fine, but I mostly watched it subbed originally, so wanted to try the new English. Seemed fine really. May watch it all through. It's been decades for me,
First time watcher here. Four episodes in and I've had two prevailing thoughts:
1. Ah yes, Pacific Rim
2. I guess it being a tv show rather than a movie has something to with why they apparently really really want to show this purple haired girls' tits but can't, so they're making up for it with as much innuendo and loose clothing and booty shots as possible.
1. Ah yes, Pacific Rim
2. I guess it being a tv show rather than a movie has something to with why they apparently really really want to show this purple haired girls' tits but can't, so they're making up for it with as much innuendo and loose clothing and booty shots as possible.
I took it as Human Instrumentality is supposed to be the ultimate feel good escape. Everyone is there, they're all happy and they want you to be happy as well so you give up on the real world where things don't ever turn out like what Shinji is experiencing. It's meant to break down your personal barriers and defenses so there is no more resistance to joining. EoE was about rejecting such a hollow and forced notion and returning to the real world where you can live a real life even if it's a shitty life.
I honestly don't know how you've survived Cowboy Bebop if you can't stand fan service. There is nothing in the original iteration of Evangelion that can compare how the camera treats Faye Valentine (or just the very existence of that character).
Huh, I took it as being as representing a means of getting around the ambiguity in human relationships. Shinji hates this ambiguity because it means that everyone he talks to might be secretly rejecting him, even if they put on an outward face of acceptance. That is, due to his own self-loathing, Shinji sees hatred and rejection wherever the ambiguity appears. By accepting his own flaws and recognizing his own existence is worthwhile in 25 & 26, Shinji overcomes his own loathing and accepts the ambiguity in relationships; after all, by accepting himself, Shinji is able to recognize that the ambiguity doesn't always mean people are rejecting him. Assuming this is all true, there would be no reason for Shinji to accept Instrumentality in episodes 25 & 26, for Shinji has come to terms with the very problem Instrumentality was meant to solve.
I was really confused by that too with that post lol like Faye is just as bad visually and probably a much worse character.
Just finished the main series, watched the Director's Cut versions of episodes 21-24. Is it worth it to watch (Death)^2 which I've never seen or should I just go straight to EoE?
It's like Agents of Shield and the movies!! #itsallconnected
He doesn't even do that, he merely begins to consider the possibility of maybe liking himself one day. Despite that feel-good framing of the final scene, Shinji still hates himself when it cuts to credits. It's "congrats, you took the first step" not "congratulations, depression has been defeated!"
TV. Everyone has sufficiently made it clear to be emotionally ready for EoE. lol
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I didn't really care for all of the underage fanservice, but it didn't affect my enjoyment of the show thankfully.
I have yet to watch EoE, but how
did the Human Instrumentality Project began if there was no Third Impact? Why do they need to destroy all Angels before initializing the Project and so the Third Impact? Kinda confused